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God’s Name….an important but overlooked topic….

How many people pray the Lord’s Prayer and say the words “hallowed be thy name” without a single thought as to what Jesus was saying?

What does “hallowed” mean?
It means to treat God’s name with respect and reverence, as the Bible writers did.

What is God’s name in the Bible, and did he intend for his worshippers to use it? Why is it missing from modern day translations?

Is there a difference between a name and a title?
Can we explore these questions?

Going back to Exodus and the liberation of God’s people from slavery in Egypt, Moses was sent by God to facilitate their release.
Exodus 3:13-15…from the Jewish Tanakh….

13 And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר משֶׁ֜ה אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים הִנֵּ֨ה אָֽנֹכִ֣י בָא֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וְאָֽמַרְתִּ֣י לָהֶ֔ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֲבֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם וְאָֽמְרוּ־לִ֣י מַה־שְּׁמ֔וֹ מָ֥ה אֹמַ֖ר אֲלֵהֶֽם:
14 God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:
15 And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.” טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:

So God revealed his name, and its meaning to Moses and instructed him to tell the people that their God, (יְהֹוָ֞ה Yahweh) would liberate them from slavery.

Some will be saying right away that this is not correct…the meaning of God’s name is “I Am”….but the Jewish Tanakh translates the Tetragrammaton as “I Will Be What I Will Be”, which is not a statement of his existence, (as the Israelites already knew that their God existed) but it was a statement of his intentions in connection with them….he would “BE” whatever he needed to be, in order to accomplish his will and purpose for them….he had to deal with an obstinate Pharaoh and he needed to force him by various means, to release them. Yahweh had a role for them to play….and that was to produce the promised Messiah, through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, in the tribe of Judah. Everything about him was outlined in prophesy.

Yahweh became everything he needed to be in order to accomplish his will….and in the process, he demonstrated, in ways his people had never seen, the reality of his power.

How did the Israelites come to lose God’s name, and how did its meaning get to be twisted?

God sent his last prophet to his wayward people some 300 years before the Messiah arrived in 29CE. That would mean that God had virtually given up on correcting his people because they were serial covenant breakers and he let them go their own way until he sent his son….”a prophet like Moses”, who was not sent to correct them (as they were incorrigible) but to divide off from them a “remnant” who would accept Jesus as “the one” promised in their Scripture. This was prophesied. (Rom 9:27)

Long before Jesus arrived on the scene, the Jews had stopped saying God’s name in their speech, but they had kept it in their Scripture with the four Hebrew consonants “YHWH”. They addressed him audibly as “Adonai” which is a title….meaning ”Lord”. This title was common in Bible times as a mark of respect, with slaves often addressing their masters as “lord”. Sarah addressed Abraham by this title, so it is not another name for “God”. (1 Peter 3:6)

After some time, the pronunciation of the divine name was lost and when Jesus came, he too was addressed as “Lord”.
Why did Jesus call the Pharisees ‘children of the devil’? (John 8:44) Because satan had used them in his scheme to have God’s name eliminated from human speech….not only that, but he had manipulated these religious leaders to twist the Scriptures and to teach the people human traditions instead of scriptural truth. Like their “father the devil” they were liars. (Matt 15:7-9)

So now we have a situation where their Messiah has arrived but in a religious climate that was hostile to any change. The Pharisees had the people performing a sham religion, full of legality and short on truth and mercy….making Jesus’ job very difficult. And yet to whom was Jesus sent?

It was not to those proud intractable religious leaders, but to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matt 15:24)…..the ones who were”lost” because of the shameful neglect of their shepherds….so what did Jesus do that was reflected in the words of the Lord’s Prayer? He made the “hallowed” name of his Father known to his disciples.

In prayer Jesus said at John 17:25-26…
”O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.” (ESV)
So Jesus rectified that problem right away, by making his Father’s name known to his followers…..under the divine name there would be love and unity.

Fast forward to later centuries and what do we find? God’s name is not only missing from human speech again, but it is also absent from his own word….very few English Bible translations contain the divine name at all, so satan has once again accomplished his goal…..only better now that it has been subtracted from scripture altogether.

What human author would tolerate their name being removed from their own work, and substituted with the title “Author”? Their name makes the work theirs….to claim credit for. The name of the author is as important as the name of the book they wrote. The author’s reputation is indicated by his name. People will seek out his writings.

The divine name was used extensively in the OT Hebrew Scriptures (almost 7000 times) but in modern Bibles you can only see where it used to be, by the use of capital letters for the title “LORD”. And in the NT Greek Scriptures even where the Hebrew verses quoted by Jesus and the apostles used the divine name, it is again substituted by the title “Kyrios” again meaning “Lord”.

How did this happen….twice? And why is the divine name still hidden from people who read their Bibles? If Jesus taught us to “hallow” or to “sanctify” God’s name, how do to sanctify a name you never use?

Whose agenda are the Bible translators supporting?

Even the “KJV only” crowd can see the divine name in their translation, but only 4 times out of 7000….the most notable is in Psalm 83:18….but who said that this was OK? Who chose those 4 verses?

Going back to Moses in Exodus 3, we see God’s command that his name was to be maintained in every generation, and yet the Jews disobediently chose to stop saying it.

When Jesus came, he restored the divine name but after his death and the passing away of his apostles, the divine name again disappeared as Christianity was taken over by the “weeds” of Jesus’ parable….in a satanically inspired counterfeit “Christianity”.

If you understand the importance of God’s name, then every effort should be made to restore it to its rightful place…..but I hear people say that “we do not know how to to pronounce it”……but that argument falls flat when we say the name “Jesus”, which is the English translation of the name of God’s son, that most people accept without question, yet the English translation of the Father’s name, “Jehovah” is rejected? They even balk at the transliteration “YAHWEH” (how it may have been pronounced in Hebrew) Make sense of that if you can….but God knows his name in any language.

The importance of God’s name was stressed by Jesus himself, so “hallowed be thy name” is as important today, as it was back then. Who can argue with that?
 
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God’s Name….an important but overlooked topic….

How many people pray the Lord’s Prayer and say the words “hallowed be thy name” without a single thought as to what Jesus was saying?

What does “hallowed” mean?
It means to treat God’s name with respect and reverence, as the Bible writers did.

What is God’s name in the Bible, and did he intend for his worshippers to use it? Why is it missing from modern day translations?

Is there a difference between a name and a title?
Can we explore these questions?

Going back to Exodus and the liberation of God’s people from slavery in Egypt, Moses was sent by God to facilitate their release.
Exodus 3:13-15…from the Jewish Tanakh….

13 And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?"יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר משֶׁ֜ה אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים הִנֵּ֨ה אָֽנֹכִ֣י בָא֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וְאָֽמַרְתִּ֣י לָהֶ֔ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֲבֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם וְאָֽמְרוּ־לִ֣י מַה־שְּׁמ֔וֹ מָ֥ה אֹמַ֖ר אֲלֵהֶֽם:
14 God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:
15 And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.”טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:

So God revealed his name, and its meaning to Moses and instructed him to tell the people that their God, (יְהֹוָ֞ה Yahweh) would liberate them from slavery.

Some will be saying right away that this is not correct…the meaning of God’s name is “I Am”….but the Jewish Tanakh translates the Tetragrammaton as “I Will Be What I Will Be”, which is not a statement of his existence, (as the Israelites already knew that their God existed) but it was a statement of his intentions in connection with them….he would “BE” whatever he needed to be, in order to accomplish his will and purpose for them….he had to deal with an obstinate Pharaoh and he needed to force him by various means, to release them. Yahweh had a role for them to play….and that was to produce the promised Messiah, through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, in the tribe of Judah. Everything about him was outlined in prophesy.

Yahweh became everything he needed to be in order to accomplish his will….and in the process, he demonstrated, in ways his people had never seen, the reality of his power.

How did the Israelites come to lose God’s name, and how did its meaning get to be twisted?

God sent his last prophet to his wayward people some 300 years before the Messiah arrived in 29CE. That would mean that God had virtually given up on correcting his people because they were serial covenant breakers and he let them go their own way until he sent his son….”a prophet like Moses”, who was not sent to correct them (as they were incorrigible) but to divide off from them a “remnant” who would accept Jesus as “the one” promised in their Scripture. This was prophesied. (Rom 9:27)

Long before Jesus arrived on the scene, the Jews had stopped saying God’s name in their speech, but they had kept it in their Scripture with the four Hebrew consonants “YHWH”. They addressed him audibly as “Adonai” which is a title….meaning ”Lord”. This title was common in Bible times as a mark of respect, with slaves often addressing their masters as “lord”. Sarah addressed Abraham by this title, so it is not another name for “God”. (1 Peter 3:6)

After some time, the pronunciation of the divine name was lost and when Jesus came, he too was addressed as “Lord”.
Why did Jesus call the Pharisees ‘children of the devil’? (John 8:44) Because satan had used them in his scheme to have God’s name eliminated from human speech….not only that, but he had manipulated these religious leaders to twist the Scriptures and to teach the people human traditions instead of scriptural truth. Like their “father the devil” they were liars. (Matt 15:7-9)

So now we have a situation where their Messiah has arrived but in a religious climate that was hostile to any change. The Pharisees had the people performing a sham religion, full of legality and short on truth and mercy….making Jesus’ job very difficult. And yet to whom was Jesus sent?

It was not to those proud intractable religious leaders, but to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matt 15:24)…..the ones who were”lost” because of the shameful neglect of their shepherds….so what did Jesus do that was reflected in the words of the Lord’s Prayer? He made the “hallowed” name of his Father known to his disciples.

In prayer Jesus said at John 17:25-26…
”O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.” (ESV)
So Jesus rectified that problem right away, by making his Father’s name known to his followers…..under the divine name there would be love and unity.

Fast forward to later centuries and what do we find? God’s name is not only missing from human speech again, but it is also absent from his own word….very few English Bible translations contain the divine name at all, so satan has once again accomplished his goal…..only better now that it has been subtracted from scripture altogether.

What human author would tolerate their name being removed from their own work, and substituted with the title “Author”? Their name makes the work theirs….to claim credit for. The name of the author is as important as the name of the book they wrote. The author’s reputation is indicated by his name. People will seek out his writings.

The divine name was used extensively in the OT Hebrew Scriptures (almost 7000 times) but in modern Bibles you can only see where it used to be, by the use of capital letters for the title “LORD”. And in the NT Greek Scriptures even where the Hebrew verses quoted by Jesus and the apostles used the divine name, it is again substituted by the title “Kyrios” again meaning “Lord”.

How did this happen….twice? And why is the divine name still hidden from people who read their Bibles? If Jesus taught us to “hallow” or to “sanctify” God’s name, how do to sanctify a name you never use?

Whose agenda are the Bible translators supporting?

Even the “KJV only” crowd can see the divine name in their translation, but only 4 times out of 7000….the most notable is in Psalm 83:18….but who said that this was OK? Who chose those 4 verses?

Going back to Moses in Exodus 3, we see God’s command that his name was to be maintained in every generation, and yet the Jews disobediently chose to stop saying it.

When Jesus came, he restored the divine name but after his death and the passing away of his apostles, the divine name again disappeared as Christianity was taken over by the “weeds” of Jesus’ parable….in a satanically inspired counterfeit “Christianity”.

If you understand the importance of God’s name, then every effort should be made to restore it to its rightful place…..but I hear people say that “we do not know how to to pronounce it”……but that argument falls flat when we say the name “Jesus”, which is the English translation of the name of God’s son, that most people accept without question, yet the English translation of the Father’s name, “Jehovah” is rejected? They even balk at the transliteration “YAHWEH” (how it may have been pronounced in Hebrew) Make sense of that if you can….but God knows his name in any language.

The importance of God’s name was stressed by Jesus himself, so “hallowed be thy name” is as important today, as it was back then. Who can argue with that?
Hallowed be your name = May your Character be admired.
 
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Hallowed be your name = May your Character be admired.
I agree. The name of God the Father and the Name of Jesus in the bible don't refer merely to the labels by which the Father and the Son are known. We are not saved by the letters "J E S U S" - that is certainly not what the bible means when it says:

“"This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."” (Ac 4:11-12 NKJV)

His name refers to His whole character and authority.
 

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"This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."” (Ac 4:11-12 NKJV)

His name refers to His whole character and authority.
As one “sent” by his God and Father, Jesus is the appointed savior who gave his life as a ransom for all….acknowledging that, is putting oneself on the road to salvation. But the name Jesus came to reveal to his disciples was not his own.

God’s name was what his people took into battle, as David said when he went out to deal with Goliath….
“And the Philistine said to David, “Come to me, and I will give your flesh to the birds of the air and the beasts of the field!” Then David said to the Philistine, “You come to me with a sword, with a spear, and with a javelin. But I come to you in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied. Then all this assembly shall know that the LORD does not save with sword and spear; for the battle is the LORD’S, and He will give you into our hands.” (NKJV)

Where you see “the LORD” in capital letters is where God’s name was in the original Hebrew text.
If people cannot see the importance of the divine name as it is tied up in the character and reputation of the one who bears that name, then they continue to fail to uphold his name and identify him with the name he gave himself…..no man gave God his name.

If you read Psalm 83:18 in the KJV, it reads….
“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.”

But in the NKJV it says….
”That they may know that You, whose name alone is the Lord, Are the Most High over all the earth.”

Can you tell me why God’s name was removed from the NKJV and substituted with a title?
God’s name is not “the LORD”.

John 17:25-26….
“O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.” (NKJV)
He didn’t say “I have declared to them my name”.

Understanding why Jesus needed to make the name of his Father known at a time when it was not spoken, even by his own people, shows its importance, especially when it was the first thing Jesus mentioned in the Lord’s Prayer. And it was also the first thing Moses wanted to tell the Israelites whom he was sent to liberate them from Egyptian slavery. It wasn’t just the label, but the meaning of his name, and the weight of his power and presence that was to be demonstrated among his often disobedient people.

The divine name should never have been removed and replaced in God’s word when there was never a command from Jehovah to do so…..in fact it was done disobediently by a people who were told to uphold his name throughout their generations. (Exodus 3:15) Why did the Christians do exactly the same thing?

Shouldn't we be asking that question?
 
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Hallowed be your name = May your Character be admired.
Amen , His very nature is in His name …it says - the name of Jesus is above all others …’at the name of Jesus every knee will bow’ …His Name is * Saviour …His nature /character is in His name !

the great creator became our saviour , and all Gods fullness ( nature ) was found in Him!
 

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I agree. The name of God the Father and the Name of Jesus in the bible don't refer merely to the labels by which the Father and the Son are known. We are not saved by the letters "J E S U S" - that is certainly not what the bible means when it says:

“"This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."” (Ac 4:11-12 NKJV)

His name refers to His whole character and authority.
AMEN to that! :gd
 

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God’s Name….an important but overlooked topic….

How many people pray the Lord’s Prayer and say the words “hallowed be thy name” without a single thought as to what Jesus was saying?

What does “hallowed” mean?
It means to treat God’s name with respect and reverence, as the Bible writers did.

What is God’s name in the Bible, and did he intend for his worshippers to use it? Why is it missing from modern day translations?

Is there a difference between a name and a title?
Can we explore these questions?

Going back to Exodus and the liberation of God’s people from slavery in Egypt, Moses was sent by God to facilitate their release.
Exodus 3:13-15…from the Jewish Tanakh….

13 And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?"יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר משֶׁ֜ה אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים הִנֵּ֨ה אָֽנֹכִ֣י בָא֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וְאָֽמַרְתִּ֣י לָהֶ֔ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֲבֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם וְאָֽמְרוּ־לִ֣י מַה־שְּׁמ֔וֹ מָ֥ה אֹמַ֖ר אֲלֵהֶֽם:
14 God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:
15 And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.”טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:

So God revealed his name, and its meaning to Moses and instructed him to tell the people that their God, (יְהֹוָ֞ה Yahweh) would liberate them from slavery.

Some will be saying right away that this is not correct…the meaning of God’s name is “I Am”….but the Jewish Tanakh translates the Tetragrammaton as “I Will Be What I Will Be”, which is not a statement of his existence, (as the Israelites already knew that their God existed) but it was a statement of his intentions in connection with them….he would “BE” whatever he needed to be, in order to accomplish his will and purpose for them….he had to deal with an obstinate Pharaoh and he needed to force him by various means, to release them. Yahweh had a role for them to play….and that was to produce the promised Messiah, through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, in the tribe of Judah. Everything about him was outlined in prophesy.

Yahweh became everything he needed to be in order to accomplish his will….and in the process, he demonstrated, in ways his people had never seen, the reality of his power.

How did the Israelites come to lose God’s name, and how did its meaning get to be twisted?

God sent his last prophet to his wayward people some 300 years before the Messiah arrived in 29CE. That would mean that God had virtually given up on correcting his people because they were serial covenant breakers and he let them go their own way until he sent his son….”a prophet like Moses”, who was not sent to correct them (as they were incorrigible) but to divide off from them a “remnant” who would accept Jesus as “the one” promised in their Scripture. This was prophesied. (Rom 9:27)

Long before Jesus arrived on the scene, the Jews had stopped saying God’s name in their speech, but they had kept it in their Scripture with the four Hebrew consonants “YHWH”. They addressed him audibly as “Adonai” which is a title….meaning ”Lord”. This title was common in Bible times as a mark of respect, with slaves often addressing their masters as “lord”. Sarah addressed Abraham by this title, so it is not another name for “God”. (1 Peter 3:6)

After some time, the pronunciation of the divine name was lost and when Jesus came, he too was addressed as “Lord”.
Why did Jesus call the Pharisees ‘children of the devil’? (John 8:44) Because satan had used them in his scheme to have God’s name eliminated from human speech….not only that, but he had manipulated these religious leaders to twist the Scriptures and to teach the people human traditions instead of scriptural truth. Like their “father the devil” they were liars. (Matt 15:7-9)

So now we have a situation where their Messiah has arrived but in a religious climate that was hostile to any change. The Pharisees had the people performing a sham religion, full of legality and short on truth and mercy….making Jesus’ job very difficult. And yet to whom was Jesus sent?

It was not to those proud intractable religious leaders, but to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matt 15:24)…..the ones who were”lost” because of the shameful neglect of their shepherds….so what did Jesus do that was reflected in the words of the Lord’s Prayer? He made the “hallowed” name of his Father known to his disciples.

In prayer Jesus said at John 17:25-26…
”O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.” (ESV)
So Jesus rectified that problem right away, by making his Father’s name known to his followers…..under the divine name there would be love and unity.

Fast forward to later centuries and what do we find? God’s name is not only missing from human speech again, but it is also absent from his own word….very few English Bible translations contain the divine name at all, so satan has once again accomplished his goal…..only better now that it has been subtracted from scripture altogether.

What human author would tolerate their name being removed from their own work, and substituted with the title “Author”? Their name makes the work theirs….to claim credit for. The name of the author is as important as the name of the book they wrote. The author’s reputation is indicated by his name. People will seek out his writings.

The divine name was used extensively in the OT Hebrew Scriptures (almost 7000 times) but in modern Bibles you can only see where it used to be, by the use of capital letters for the title “LORD”. And in the NT Greek Scriptures even where the Hebrew verses quoted by Jesus and the apostles used the divine name, it is again substituted by the title “Kyrios” again meaning “Lord”.

How did this happen….twice? And why is the divine name still hidden from people who read their Bibles? If Jesus taught us to “hallow” or to “sanctify” God’s name, how do to sanctify a name you never use?

Whose agenda are the Bible translators supporting?

Even the “KJV only” crowd can see the divine name in their translation, but only 4 times out of 7000….the most notable is in Psalm 83:18….but who said that this was OK? Who chose those 4 verses?

Going back to Moses in Exodus 3, we see God’s command that his name was to be maintained in every generation, and yet the Jews disobediently chose to stop saying it.

When Jesus came, he restored the divine name but after his death and the passing away of his apostles, the divine name again disappeared as Christianity was taken over by the “weeds” of Jesus’ parable….in a satanically inspired counterfeit “Christianity”.

If you understand the importance of God’s name, then every effort should be made to restore it to its rightful place…..but I hear people say that “we do not know how to to pronounce it”……but that argument falls flat when we say the name “Jesus”, which is the English translation of the name of God’s son, that most people accept without question, yet the English translation of the Father’s name, “Jehovah” is rejected? They even balk at the transliteration “YAHWEH” (how it may have been pronounced in Hebrew) Make sense of that if you can….but God knows his name in any language.

The importance of God’s name was stressed by Jesus himself, so “hallowed be thy name” is as important today, as it was back then. Who can argue with that?
When God is referred to explicitly by His name, it makes Him sound like He isn't the same person as Jesus, and not just a little bit, but a lotta bit. It's because they don't share the same names. However, long ago they most likely wanted take to make it less obvious. It is a pleasant surprise for those who dig a little deeper in their Bible studies in their search for the truth. Of course this was deliberate, but I don't know if it was their express intention to hide the truth about God's name. There doesn't seem to be any practical reason to virtually censor God's name when Jesus seemed to want us to know what his God's name is.
 

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When God is referred to explicitly by His name, it makes Him sound like He isn't the same person as Jesus, and not just a little bit, but a lotta bit. It's because they don't share the same names.

Wow. This sums up what the problem is very well now doesn't it?
If you don't see the Father when you see Jesus you have a problem. " Seen me seen the Father"
Jesus = EXACTLY like His Father- a perfect exact reflection. A visible manifestation of the invisible God. Scriptures attest to that.
If you don't see God in Christ fully then you don't know the Father.

oh ye of little faith?
Acts 4:12- “He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone. 12And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

Names aside.. irrelevant. Knowing a name is nothing. No one is certain. Know Him! If you aren't a child of God who calls out ABBA in the Spirit of all comfort- perhaps I can see how you must cling to consonants and guessed at vowels.
I know the JW excuse as they don't believe they are spiritual children of God- what's your excuse?


However, long ago they most likely wanted take to make it less obvious. It is a pleasant surprise for those who dig a little deeper in their Bible studies in their search for the truth. Of course this was deliberate, but I don't know if it was their express intention to hide the truth about God's name. There doesn't seem to be any practical reason to virtually censor God's name when Jesus seemed to want us to know what his God's name is.
Jesus taught us to use, Father- and made us children of God. I see nowhere in the NT where Jesus taught us a name to use! John 17 is not referring to vowels and consonants at all lol- He is speaking about making the gospel known about God's mercy- the character of God is His "name". "The name you have given me" ..
It's isn't hidden. We don't know the proper vowels. Even JWs admit that much. It is explained in the front of very bible that uses LORD instead of YHWH.
If that's a sin to you then there are a multitude of bibles that put in a name derived from the tetragrammaton. 23 that I know of-

  1. Holy Name Bible (1963)
  2. Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible (1970)
  3. The Sacred Scriptures Bethel Edition (1981)
  4. The Book of Yahweh: The Holy Scriptures (1987)
  5. Sacred Scriptures, Family of Yah Edition (2000)
  6. The Holy Bible – Urim-Thummim Version (2001)
  7. The Word of Yahweh (2003)
  8. Mickelson Clarified Translation (2008, 2013, 2015, 2019)
  9. Hebraic Roots Bible (2009, 2012)
  10. The Restoration Study Bible (2011)
  11. Names of God Bible (2011, 2014)
  12. The Original Bible for Modern Readers (2017)
  13. The Scriptures (ISR) Version (1993, 1998, 2009)
  14. Hebraic-Roots Version (2001, 2004)
  15. Restoration Scriptures: True Name Edition (2004)
  16. Sacred Name King James Bible (2005)
  17. The Seventh Millennium Version (2007)
  18. HalleluYah Scriptures (2009, 2015)
  19. Abrahamic Faith Nazarene Hebraic Study Scriptures (2010)
  20. The Restored Name King James Version (2012)
  21. NJV Bible - New Jerusalem Version (2019)
  22. Modern King James Bible (1962)
  23. Legacy Standard Bible (2021)
 

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Wow. This sums up what the problem is very well now doesn't it?
If you don't see the Father when you see Jesus you have a problem. " Seen me seen the Father"
Jesus = EXACTLY like His Father- a perfect exact reflection. A visible manifestation of the invisible God. Scriptures attest to that.
If you don't see God in Christ fully then you don't know the Father.

oh ye of little faith?
Acts 4:12- “He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone. 12And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

Names aside.. irrelevant. Knowing a name is nothing. No one is certain. Know Him! If you aren't a child of God who calls out ABBA in the Spirit of all comfort- perhaps I can see how you must cling to consonants and guessed at vowels.
I know the JW excuse as they don't believe they are spiritual children of God- what's your excuse?



Jesus taught us to use, Father- and made us children of God. I see nowhere in the NT where Jesus taught us a name to use! John 17 is not referring to vowels and consonants at all lol- He is speaking about making the gospel known about God's mercy- the character of God is His "name". "The name you have given me" ..
It's isn't hidden. We don't know the proper vowels. Even JWs admit that much. It is explained in the front of very bible that uses LORD instead of YHWH.
If that's a sin to you then there are a multitude of bibles that put in a name derived from the tetragrammaton. 23 that I know of-


  1. Holy Name Bible (1963)
  2. Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible (1970)
  3. The Sacred Scriptures Bethel Edition (1981)
  4. The Book of Yahweh: The Holy Scriptures (1987)
  5. Sacred Scriptures, Family of Yah Edition (2000)
  6. The Holy Bible – Urim-Thummim Version (2001)
  7. The Word of Yahweh (2003)
  8. Mickelson Clarified Translation (2008, 2013, 2015, 2019)
  9. Hebraic Roots Bible (2009, 2012)
  10. The Restoration Study Bible (2011)
  11. Names of God Bible (2011, 2014)
  12. The Original Bible for Modern Readers (2017)
  13. The Scriptures (ISR) Version (1993, 1998, 2009)
  14. Hebraic-Roots Version (2001, 2004)
  15. Restoration Scriptures: True Name Edition (2004)
  16. Sacred Name King James Bible (2005)
  17. The Seventh Millennium Version (2007)
  18. HalleluYah Scriptures (2009, 2015)
  19. Abrahamic Faith Nazarene Hebraic Study Scriptures (2010)
  20. The Restored Name King James Version (2012)
  21. NJV Bible - New Jerusalem Version (2019)
  22. Modern King James Bible (1962)
  23. Legacy Standard Bible (2021)
Totally agree with everything you said, I just don't see that the Bible says that Son of God is his own God, Father, or Savior.

Psalm 89
26He will call to Me, ‘You are my Father,
my God, the Rock of my salvation.’
27I will indeed appoint him as My firstborn,
the highest of the kings of the earth.
28I will forever preserve My loving devotion for him,
and My covenant with him will stand fast.
29I will establish his line forever,
his throne as long as the heavens endure.
 

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Totally agree with everything you said, I just don't see that the Bible says that Son of God is his own God, Father, or Savior.

Psalm 89
26He will call to Me, ‘You are my Father,
my God, the Rock of my salvation.’
27I will indeed appoint him as My firstborn,
the highest of the kings of the earth.
28I will forever preserve My loving devotion for him,
and My covenant with him will stand fast.
29I will establish his line forever,
his throne as long as the heavens endure.
Well, that's good because The Son of God is not His own God, Father or Savior. I'm not even sure what that means.
 

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As one “sent” by his God and Father, Jesus is the appointed savior who gave his life as a ransom for all….acknowledging that, is putting oneself on the road to salvation. But the name Jesus came to reveal to his disciples was not his own.

God’s name was what his people took into battle, as David said when he went out to deal with Goliath….
“And the Philistine said to David, “Come to me, and I will give your flesh to the birds of the air and the beasts of the field!” Then David said to the Philistine, “You come to me with a sword, with a spear, and with a javelin. But I come to you in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied. Then all this assembly shall know that the LORD does not save with sword and spear; for the battle is the LORD’S, and He will give you into our hands.” (NKJV)

Where you see “the LORD” in capital letters is where God’s name was in the original Hebrew text.
If people cannot see the importance of the divine name as it is tied up in the character and reputation of the one who bears that name, then they continue to fail to uphold his name and identify him with the name he gave himself…..no man gave God his name.

If you read Psalm 83:18 in the KJV, it reads….
“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.”

But in the NKJV it says….
”That they may know that You, whose name alone is the Lord, Are the Most High over all the earth.”

Can you tell me why God’s name was removed from the NKJV and substituted with a title?
God’s name is not “the LORD”.
Because as it says in the beginning of those bibles that LORD in caps is for YHWH. Why? Because NO ONE knows how to write it since we do not know the vowels. It's not a conspiracy- its a FACT. Even your leaders admit that NO ONE KNOWS- it is lost.

The New Covenant is here or as a JW you say you are not a part of the new covenant. Could that be the problem, Jane? The new covenant name is Jesus. it is the only name needed. And is not just a bunch of letters- It is WHO HE IS AND WHAT HE DID = His name. jesus died to free you from your sins- Yes HIS death/blood forgives sins- you don't accept that-
You think your physical death pays for your own sins. Death is the payment for sins. It's what you earn. It is NOT a payment to become sinless. It is you being paid your wage. What you are paid. It does not exonerate or forgive or aquit you of sins.
Paul is speaking about spiritual death of the natural man birth to new life - when we die with Jesus- crucified with Him, died with Him- baptized into His death, raised to new life NOW.- while alive. That is how sins are acquitted in Him.
Jesus died for your sins too- do you believe that? Or are you going to go die to pay your sin debt? You can't offer yourself to God that way. you are not spotless and blameless. That is Jesus ALONE. Be washed in His blood, Jane or die in your sins.
John 17:25-26….
“O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.” (NKJV)
He didn’t say “I have declared to them my name”.

Understanding why Jesus needed to make the name of his Father known at a time when it was not spoken, even by his own people, shows its importance, especially when it was the first thing Jesus mentioned in the Lord’s Prayer. And it was also the first thing Moses wanted to tell the Israelites whom he was sent to liberate them from Egyptian slavery. It wasn’t just the label, but the meaning of his name, and the weight of his power and presence that was to be demonstrated among his often disobedient people.

The divine name should never have been removed and replaced in God’s word when there was never a command from Jehovah to do so…..in fact it was done disobediently by a people who were told to uphold his name throughout their generations. (Exodus 3:15) Why did the Christians do exactly the same thing?

Shouldn't we be asking that question?
Jane, Once again, read context. Read all of chapter 17 not just a memorized last verse. Jesus never declared consonants and vowels to anyone. Since you claim He did- please who us where He did so. He did not announce a name to anyone. Stop making things up. Also since this name was not spoken by any of the Jews you would think that if Jesus was as JWs say he was- that it would be very very clear when he scolded them for doing so and make sure that was handled. -Silence. -
Read 17:6 and 12. Name does not mean what you say. Jesus was speaking about the words He spoke from His Father- the gospel truths. That is how we know God, not by a jumble of consonants and vowels, but by His love and truth.
Jesus made us children of God where we cry out ABBA, father by the Spirit in our hearts! There is no name that compares to that gift.
You deny being a spiritual child of God because the watchtower told you that you aren't. You would do so much better if you would just stop listening to man and read only the scriptures and pray. I know that you are told that if you do that you will sink into Christian thinking. lol Yes, that;s the point. That is where God's spirit will lead you. man leads you in the other direction. You decide who to listen to. Trust God or man? Trust God enough to read only the bible and pray with all of your heart for His one and only truth.

That truth is found only in Jesus. And it His name that saves. Yah is salvation= Yeshua.
JESUS- There is no other name given under heaven that you need to be saved! acts 4:12.
Believe the apostles- not me. Everything doesn't have to make perfect sense to you or me or anyone. So it's not all wrapped up the way you think it should be, huh? Stop and be still and KNOW HE is God. Stop relying on your own understandings. Just trust and obey.