Does the inclusion of the Sabbath prove that the Ten Commandments were for Israel alone?

[Sister-n-Christ]

@Sister-n-Christ
Why would you find humor in that?

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Because you are obstinate and unwilling to gain an education when you are wrong. You thrive in ignorance because you are so opposed to truth.

It's funny because your name forewarns us of this. And we are naive enough for a time to think you will change your mind.

When that laugh in particular is on me and us. For forgetting!

The only way that happens isn't through our work at all.

 

[St. SteVen]

Because you are obstinate and unwilling to gain an education when you are wrong.

Why do you assume I am wrong?
Your own views lead you to a conclusion which may be false.

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[PS95]

8Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

 

[PS95]

Why do you assume I am wrong?
Your own views lead you to a conclusion which may be false.

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3Now we who have believed enter that rest. As for the others, it is just as God has said:

“So I swore on oath in My anger,

‘They shall never enter My rest.’”b

And yet His works have been finished since the foundation of the world. 4For somewhere He has spoken about the seventh day in this manner: “And on the seventh day God rested from all His works.”c 5And again, as He says in the passage above: “They shall never enter My rest.”

6Since, then, it remains for some to enter His rest, and since those who formerly heard the good news did not enter because of their disobedience, 7God again designated a certain day as “Today,” when a long time later He spoke through David as was just stated: “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.”

8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.

 

[St. SteVen]

3Now we who have believed enter that rest. As for the others, it is just as God has said:

“So I swore on oath in My anger,

‘They shall never enter My rest.’”b

And yet His works have been finished since the foundation of the world. 4For somewhere He has spoken about the seventh day in this manner: “And on the seventh day God rested from all His works.”c 5And again, as He says in the passage above: “They shall never enter My rest.”

6Since, then, it remains for some to enter His rest, and since those who formerly heard the good news did not enter because of their disobedience, 7God again designated a certain day as “Today,” when a long time later He spoke through David as was just stated: “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.”

8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.

I take that as support.

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[Sister-n-Christ]

3Now we who have believed enter that rest. As for the others, it is just as God has said:

“So I swore on oath in My anger,

‘They shall never enter My rest.’”b

And yet His works have been finished since the foundation of the world. 4For somewhere He has spoken about the seventh day in this manner: “And on the seventh day God rested from all His works.”c 5And again, as He says in the passage above: “They shall never enter My rest.”

6Since, then, it remains for some to enter His rest, and since those who formerly heard the good news did not enter because of their disobedience, 7God again designated a certain day as “Today,” when a long time later He spoke through David as was just stated: “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.”

8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.

You realize Steve argues against the laws of God being in effect today at all. And against the Sabbath.

 

[PS95]

You realize Steve argues against the laws of God being in effect today at all. And against the Sabbath.

I haven't read the whole thread, but I doubt he thinks it good to murder and lie and steal, adultery, covet.. etc
Sadly, I think that many really think that is what is being said when we say the law is fulfilled or old covenant obsolete etc
Many also accused Paul of teachings people to sin.
What we have now is a new command- love one another. Love doesn't allow us to murder, lie, steal and so on. It's just not a set of laws in stone, but this law is in our hearts.
Love-- Of course we can only do this by the Spirit given to us.

 

[St. SteVen]

You realize Steve argues against the laws of God being in effect today at all. And against the Sabbath.

Please, God's laws of human conscience have been in force since the Garden (orchard).

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[Sister-n-Christ]

I haven't read the whole thread, but I doubt he thinks it good to murder and lie and steal, adultery, covet.. etc
Sadly, I think that many really think that is what is being said when we say the law is fulfilled or old covenant obsolete etc
Many also accused Paul of teachings people to sin.
What we have now is a new command- love one another. Love doesn't allow us to murder, lie, steal and so on. It's just not a set of laws in stone, but this law is in our hearts.
Love-- Of course we can only do this by the Spirit given to us.

Written in our hearts. Precisely. Which is what is being denied by those adamant that the law of God is obsolete.

Really,they cannot be taken seriously. And the argument the laws are fulfilled in Jesus and therefore over with because he fulfilled ,kept,the law perfectly,is also error.

 

[PS95]

Written in our hearts. Precisely. Which is what is being denied by those adamant that the law of God is obsolete.

Really,they cannot be taken seriously. And the argument the laws are fulfilled in Jesus and therefore over with because he fulfilled ,kept,the law perfectly,is also error.

I have not read this entire thread. It's very long. God's law of love is written on our hearts, yes. Pretty much everything has been expanded from the 10 commandments. Murder is = hating someone. Adultery = looking lustfully at someone etc -
We were all convicted. It is about the heart. (thoughts, will, affections etc)
Sabbath resting is every day when we rest from trying to keep the law to attain righteousness. Jesus is our righteousness. All 9 commands are mentioned in the NT as unloving if broken. Keeping the Sabbath day is not. Instead, it says not to judge based on keeping or not. It was a shadow of things to come- (rest)- now we rest from our works every day. (expanded also)That is how we keep the Sabbath now! Trusting in Christ to rest from our works of the LAW. That does not mean you can't keep the Sabbath day if you choose to, but keeping it will never grant any righteousness.
Our command now is not the 10 commands but it is to love one another.
Loving one an other is more than the 10 commandments when you think about it. We can't do it.
Only Christ's spirit in us can . We must be born again.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

I have not read this entire thread. It's very long. God's law of love is written on our hearts, yes. Pretty much everything has been expanded from the 10 commandments. Murder is = hating someone. Adultery = looking lustfully at someone etc -
We were all convicted. It is about the heart. (thoughts, will, affections etc)
Sabbath resting is every day when we rest from trying to keep the law to attain righteousness. Jesus is our righteousness. All 9 commands are mentioned in the NT as unloving if broken. Keeping the Sabbath day is not. Instead, it says not to judge based on keeping or not. It was a shadow of things to come- (rest)- now we rest from our works every day. (expanded also)That is how we keep the Sabbath now! Trusting in Christ to rest from our works of the LAW. That does not mean you can't keep the Sabbath day if you choose to, but keeping it will never grant any righteousness.
Our command now is not the 10 commands but it is to love one another.
Loving one an other is more than the 10 commandments when you think about it. We can't do it.
Only Christ's spirit in us can . We must be born again.

Well,if you think about it ,1 Corinthians 2 tells us all that we are discussing about God's laws in our hearts can only apply to those who are born again.

 

[PS95]

Well,if you think about it ,1 Corinthians 2 tells us all that we are discussing about God's laws in our hearts can only apply to those who are born again.

A New Covenant Hebrews 8-

7For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.

8For finding fault with them, He says,
“BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD,
WHEN I WILL EFFECT A NEW COVENANT
WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH;

9NOT LIKE THE COVENANT WHICH I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS
ON THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND
TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT;
FOR THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT,
AND I DID NOT CARE FOR THEM, SAYS THE LORD.

10“FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL
AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD:
I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS,
AND I WILL WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS.
AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD,
AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.

11“AND THEY SHALL NOT TEACH EVERYONE HIS FELLOW CITIZEN,
AND EVERYONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, ‘KNOW THE LORD,’
FOR ALL WILL KNOW ME,
FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.

12“FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES,
AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE.”

13When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

A New Covenant Hebrews 8-

7For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.

8For finding fault with them, He says,
“BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD,
WHEN I WILL EFFECT A NEW COVENANT
WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH;

9NOT LIKE THE COVENANT WHICH I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS
ON THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND
TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT;
FOR THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT,
AND I DID NOT CARE FOR THEM, SAYS THE LORD.

10“FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL
AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD:
I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS,
AND I WILL WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS.
AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD,
AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.

11“AND THEY SHALL NOT TEACH EVERYONE HIS FELLOW CITIZEN,
AND EVERYONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, ‘KNOW THE LORD,’
FOR ALL WILL KNOW ME,
FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.

12“FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES,
AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE.”

13When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

Being Jesus was God , you might consider that is why Jesus reiterated his moral laws from the OT.

 

[PS95]

Being Jesus was God , you might consider that is why Jesus reiterated his moral laws from the OT.

Like I said, He expanded them- made them so impossible that we were all immediately condemned. Til He saved us!

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Like I said, He expanded them- made them so impossible that we were all immediately condemned. Til He saved us!

You might want to first read the 10 commandments.

It's not impossible for me to, keep to God alone,not murder,not steal,not lie on my neighbor,not commit adultery, etc...

Though those who deny the Sabbath being kept is righteous may have a problem. As when we are told no one can judge us for keeping or not keeping God's Sabbath.

 

[PS95]

You might want to first read the 10 commandments.

It's not impossible for me to, keep to God alone,not murder,not steal,not lie on my neighbor,not commit adultery, etc...

Though those who deny the Sabbath being kept is righteous may have a problem. As when we are told no one can judge us for keeping or not keeping God's Sabbath.

Sister, haven't you read Matt 6? Jesus taught us that murder is the same as hating another... and adultery is just looking at someone lustfully.
He was showing how entirely wicked our hearts are. No one could say at that time that they kept all 10 commandments, unless they were lying... ooops another commandment broken. WE ALL HAVE SINNED. That includes you.
If you are trying to obey the 10 commandments to be saved then you are not saved at all.
We all need to be honest with the Lord and admit that we have sinned and accept his GIFT. Only then can you rest from your works - and then the Holy spirit living in you will guide your life and teach you all things. Love is the commandment and we can't even DO THAT without HIM.
Jesus said-
21 For from within, out of the heart comes the evil thoughts, sexual immorality, thefts, murders, adultery, 22 greed, wickedness, deceit, indecent behavior, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile the person.” Mark 7:21-23

I have given you several passages about the Sabbath. But it is not me who has a problem in thinking my righteousness rests on keeping a Sabbath day. Sabbath keeping is everyday when we REST from our works in trying to be righteous by the LAW.
You are free to keep it. It does not make you righteous and if you are thinking that you are really concerning me. Our Salvation is not about law keeping. It is about JESUS and His command is LOVE OTHERS.
Are you SDA or?

 

[PS95]

You might want to first read the 10 commandments.

It's not impossible for me to, keep to God alone,not murder,not steal,not lie on my neighbor,not commit adultery, etc...

Though those who deny the Sabbath being kept is righteous may have a problem. As when we are told no one can judge us for keeping or not keeping God's Sabbath.

Col 2:13-17When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.
16Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

 

[PS95]

You might want to first read the 10 commandments.

It's not impossible for me to, keep to God alone,not murder,not steal,not lie on my neighbor,not commit adultery, etc...

Though those who deny the Sabbath being kept is righteous may have a problem. As when we are told no one can judge us for keeping or not keeping God's Sabbath.

Romans 14:5-6
One person regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. / He who observes a special day does so to the Lord; he who eats does so to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Galatians 4:9-10
But now that you know God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you are turning back to those weak and worthless principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? / You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!
Ephesians 2:15
by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace


Paul was a Jew and a Pharisee. Very strict Sabbath keepers. Since Jesus- He saw all days the same. And he was upset with people who thought righteousness could come from law keeping. He called it enslavement.
I reiterate- you may keep special days- but it will never save you or make you righteous before God. Jesus already did that. We need to really honor that gift by not trying to ADD to His gift. We can't. We can't save ourselves. Impossible- that 's why we need Jesus.

When that really really sinks in and you accept that truth in Christ- you will be free of working to earn anything. Jesus already did it for you. Now what you need to do is BELIEVE HIM.

Only then, will you be set free. And you will know the truth. And the Holy Spirit will lead you.

 

[Brakelite]

And who is real Israel?

 

[St. SteVen]

Written in our hearts. Precisely. Which is what is being denied by those adamant that the law of God is obsolete.

If the mortgage on your home was paid in full, would you pay for it again because the bank reprinted it on yellow paper?

Hebrews 8:7, 13 NIV
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant,
no place would have been sought for another. ...
13 By calling this covenant “new,”
he has made the first one obsolete;
and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

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