Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

[covenantee]

The Pharisee tried to trip up Jesus with there legalistic nonsense. I wasn’t debasing scripture as you would try to imply, I was paraphrasing and you knew exactly what I meant as you yourself quoted 14:6. Though I’m sure you’re prefect in every utterance, the condemnation you seek will be recompense to you yourself.

love they neighbor as yourself. Peace be with you.

In no way did he even begin to imply that you were debasing Scripture. He was simply encouraging you to "accurately handle the Word of Truth". 2 Timothy 2:15 NASB

If you think that is legalistic nonsense, you'd better inform Paul, Timothy, and Jesus ASAP.

 

[WitnessX]

In no way did he even begin to imply that you were debasing Scripture. He was simply encouraging you to "accurately handle the Word of Truth". 2 Timothy 2:15 NASB

If you think that is legalistic nonsense, you'd better inform Paul, Timothy, and Jesus ASAP.

Let me help you then.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

when Jesus returns as the Christ in you ! you are the body of Christ Jesus in fact !

One day all will be Saved and this world of deceptions and delusions will be totaly expossed ! for all to clearly see.

 

[covenantee]

Let me help you then.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

No need.

Scripture is the helper.

 

[Marilyn C]

There are no promises for Israel, or anyone else, outside of Christ.

All of the promises of God are yes and amen in Him. 2 Corinthians 1:20

You seem to have overlooked 2 Peter 1:4 in post 249. That certainly does include the Holy Spirit, and also many more promises.

Ref. post 221

I agree that all the promises are in Christ - for Israel, the Nations and the Body of Christ.

 

[Marilyn C]

I hope that will occur but personally I don't assume that the above is what the words "look on me whom they have pierced" means. It could mean too late to repent.

Anyway, my desire for them is that it means what you say - but I also think "but what about the millions who over the last two thousand years have rejected Him?" Does the salvation of those at the time of the end cover the unbelief of those who came before them?

Many Jews are God fearing and God only judges on what we do with the revelation given.

 

[Marilyn C]

Jesus already located that passage. No need to misapply it!

This related to Christ's First Advent, and the aftermath. He is talking about AD70.

Zec 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
Zec 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son,and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Zec 12:11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
Zec 12:12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;
Zec 12:13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;
Zec 12:14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

It was not `all the nations` that came against Israel in AD 70 however, that will happen at Armageddon, (Joel 3: 1 & 2)

 

[WPM]

It was not `all the nations` that came against Israel in AD 70 however, that will happen at Armageddon, (Joel 3: 1 & 2)

Jesus already located that passage. No need to misapply it!

You do not seem to get the meaning of this. The Roman Empire represented the nations (the Gentiles/the heathen). It is not hard to get your head round that.

Once your theology is debunked you quickly move to misrepresenting another OT passage. That seems to be your MO.

 

[covenantee]

I agree that all the promises are in Christ - for Israel, the Nations and the Body of Christ.

And since Calvary, whenever an Israelite or anyone else receives Christ, he or she is added to the Body of Christ, i.e. the Church, and immediately inherits all of the promises of 2 Peter 1:4.

 

[Marilyn C]

He is king now. He came as a king. You are fighting with Scripture. The term "right hand" here simply describes the place of supreme authority.

w where to begin. Repeated Scripture shows that Christ is king now. He is reigning in majesty upon high now! He is risen from the dead and He is Lord. All power and authority belongs to Him now. Your false teaching causes you to dethrone Christ from His sovereign place reigning over His enemies today. You ducked around the Scripture I presented that exposes your BIG-DEVIL and small-jesus theology. Your theology forces Christ to abdicate His throne at the right hand of majesty on high. Your teachers have taught you wrong! Israel’s king has already come, and introduced His heavenly kingdom.

Those who question Christ’s current reign do great assault upon the truth of God’s Word and undermine the current sovereign kingly position that He now assuredly holds.

He is king now. He came as a king. You are fighting with Scripture. The term "right hand" here simply describes the place of supreme authority.

Hi WPM,

I certainly agree that Jesus is King now. I never said anything different. What I was pointing out is that Jesus is with the Father (& Holy Spirit) Godhead, and is ruling over His Body with authority over Satan and his fallen angels.

The Father is at present bringing the Son`s enemies (nations) to His footstool. (Ps. 110: 1) Then Jesus will operate in the authority to judge that the Father gave Him. (John 5: 27) Jesus will visibly be in His glorified body with the Body of Christ judging the Nations. (Ps. 110: 2 rev. 4: 2 - 4)

 

[covenantee]

Many Jews are God fearing and God only judges on what we do with the revelation given.

Sadly, the God that they believe that they fear is a mirage.

1 John 2
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

 

[Marilyn C]

Jesus already located that passage. No need to misapply it!

You do not seem to get the meaning of this. The Roman Empire represented the nations (the Gentiles/the heathen). It is not hard to get your head round that.

Once your theology is debunked you quickly move to misrepresenting another OT passage. That seems to be your MO.

So what about Joel 3: 1 & 2?

 

[Marilyn C]

And since Calvary, whenever an Israelite or anyone else receives Christ, he or she is added to the Body of Christ, i.e. the Church, and immediately inherits all of the promises of 2 Peter 1:4.

And Israel of the Old Testament, did God make an oops?

 

[WPM]

Hi WPM,

I certainly agree that Jesus is King now. I never said anything different. What I was pointing out is that Jesus is with the Father (& Holy Spirit) Godhead, and is ruling over His Body with authority over Satan and his fallen angels.

The Father is at present bringing the Son`s enemies (nations) to His footstool. (Ps. 110: 1) Then Jesus will operate in the authority to judge that the Father gave Him. (John 5: 27) Jesus will visibly be in His glorified body with the Body of Christ judging the Nations. (Ps. 110: 2 rev. 4: 2 - 4)

Not true! He is reigning over His enemies. Do you really grasp the power that Jesus Christ has over all creation? Do you realize the enormity of His authority and influence? Or do you believe that man or Satan is out of control and that Jesus is just sitting by helplessly watching on? Unfortunately, many Christians today have a misconception of that because of false teaching in regard to end-times. They imagine that the kingdom of God is only a future reality when Jesus comes. Many even say that Jesus is not king now but He will be when He returns at the second coming. They call Him a prince-in-waiting.

They make the exact same mistake that the Pharisees made 2000 years ago with their misguided obsession with (1) racial favoritism, (2) earthly real estate and (3) the idea of a dictatorial Messiah reigning over the Gentile nations with a rod of iron. Because of their flawed perception of the kingdom, the Pharisees ended up rejecting Christ.

What many do is, strip Jesus of His sovereign power today (by their faulty theology). They dethrone Him from the right hand of majesty on high. This is convenient for some, because they then have man calling the shots and God reacting to man. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Jesus testified after His resurrection: “All power [or authority] is given unto me in heaven and in earth” (Matthew 28:18).

Jesus rules and reigns today over all creation. There is nothing that is not under His feet. What He says goes! This is biblical bedrock! This is a foundational Christian truth.

I mean, how much more power than “all power ... in heaven and in earth” does He need to exercise power and authority over His enemies?

Romans 9:5 confirms, in an often-overlooked passage: “as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all.”

This proves that Christ has already come and now exercises kingship today over all mankind. It means: He carries the Father’s divine authority. He is currently enthroned. This is sovereign power! He holds this today upon His Father’s throne as God and upon David’s throne as Messiah. Him and the Father are one spiritually in authority.

Revelation 3:7 tells us: “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key (or authority) of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth.”

He holds all power (without qualification). After all, He is God! God either causes or permits - as He is God and He is sovereign. Simple! That is an explicit biblical truth and a Christian fundamental. The powerful language that accompanies the mention of Christ holding the key of David proves that this is referring to His majestic power and might.

This is basically telling us that God is in complete control of our life. He will open the doors as He sees fit and close doors that He doesn’t want us going through.

 

[WPM]

So what about Joel 3: 1 & 2?

What about it?

 

[covenantee]

And Israel of the Old Testament, did God make an oops?

What oops?

Did all of Israel of the Old Testament go to hell?

 

[WPM]

And Israel of the Old Testament, did God make an oops?

They become God's only covenant people - His elect, true Israel.

 

[Gottservant]

You need to distinguish between spirit and truth. The kingdom of God can be possessed by either spirit or truth or both.

 

[WPM]

Many Jews are God fearing and God only judges on what we do with the revelation given.

What are you talking about “God fearing”? Ethnic Israel overwhelmingly reject Christ. They therefore reject God. That makes them of their father the devil.

Hello!

 

[Marilyn C]

Not true! He is reigning over His enemies. Do you really grasp the power that Jesus Christ has over all creation? Do you realize the enormity of His authority and influence? Or do you believe that man or Satan is out of control and that Jesus is just sitting by helplessly watching on? Unfortunately, many Christians today have a misconception of that because of false teaching in regard to end-times. They imagine that the kingdom of God is only a future reality when Jesus comes. Many even say that Jesus is not king now but He will be when He returns at the second coming. They call Him a prince-in-waiting.

Yes, Jesus upholds all things by the word of His power. (Heb. 1: 3)

Now as I said Jesus, the Kingpriest is with the Father. The Father said -

`The LORD (Father) said to my Lord (Son) "Sit at my right hand till I make your enemies (nations) your footstool. (for judgment)...."

So, has the Father done that yet? Are the Lord`s enemies ready for judgment?