Judas Went to His Own Place – A Biblical Verdict of Eternal Judgment

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According to the Bible, did Judas Iscariot go to hell or was he ultimately saved?


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Scott Downey

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Acts 1, more on Judas

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15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the [f]disciples (altogether the number of names was about a hundred and twenty), and said, 16 “Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus; 17 for he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry.”

18 (Now this man purchased a field with the [g]wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his [h]entrails gushed out. 19 And it became known to all those dwelling in Jerusalem; so that field is called in their own language, Akel Dama, that is, Field of Blood.)

20 “For it is written in the Book of Psalms:

‘Let his dwelling place be [i]desolate,
And let no one live in it’;
and,

‘Let another take his [j]office.’

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Not a good ending.
Judas is a goner.

[g]wages of iniquity is the reward of unrighteousness
 

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That’s not what the Bible actually teaches, and we don’t get to redefine God’s Word based on how we interpret the word “destruction.” The idea that eternal punishment just means being made “unfit for use” or being annihilated is not in Scripture. That is a man-made opinion, not biblical truth.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 says, “everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord,” and Matthew 25:46 says, “These shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal.” The word “everlasting” (Greek: aiōnios) means forever, without end. If eternal life lasts forever, so does eternal punishment. You can’t make one temporary and keep the other eternal. That’s twisting the plain meaning of the text.

Revelation 14:11 says, “The smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest day nor night.” That is not symbolic. That is judgment. The Bible is not giving us opinions, it is declaring truth from the mouth of God. If we believe the gospel, then we must believe all of it, including what it says about judgment.

Whether we like it or not doesn’t change what God said. This isn’t a matter of interpretation, it’s a matter of submission to the truth.
Hebrews 6:8

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·Other people are like land that [L But if it…] grows thorns and ·weeds [thistles] and is worthless. It is about to be cursed by God and ·will be destroyed by fire [L its end/fate is burning].
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but if it persistently produces thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.
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But if [that same soil] persistently bears thorns and thistles, it is considered worthless and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

In other words, useless and unfit for further use, definitely worthless.
It's destiny is to be burned.

I don't think of the people in hell as being fit for any use, they are burned eternally.
I also did not say they cease to exist, you assumed that on your part.
 

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It is called an everlasting destruction. When we destroy something, it is unfit for any further use. How much more when God does that.

Luke 14

25 Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, 26 “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. 27 And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. 28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it— 29 lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, 30 saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish’? 31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? 32 Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace. 33 So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.

34 “Salt is good; but if the salt has lost its flavor, how shall it be seasoned?

35 It is neither fit for the land nor for the [g]dunghill, but men throw it out.

He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”


Hell is a dumping ground for anything unfit for the kingdom of God, the trash goes there..
 

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Luke 9:62
But Jesus said to him, “No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.”

Well then, they go to hell fire as they are unfit for God's kingdom.
 

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Like a misshapen piece will not properly fit into the puzzle, it is useless and fit only for being thrown out.
It does not fit, it has no place in God's kingdom.

To be thrown out, as Jesus refers to is to be cast into the fire, in a spiritual sense.

1 Peter 2:5
you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

God won't build His house with unfit stones, who are slaves of sin.

John 8
34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin.

35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever.

36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.
 

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Judas did not experience godly repentance that leads to salvation. He felt regret, but it was not the kind of repentance that comes from the Holy Spirit. Matthew 27:3 says, “Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver...” The Greek word used here is metamelomai, which means to feel remorse or regret. It is not the same as metanoeo, which means true repentance, a change of mind and direction toward God.

Judas admitted guilt to the priests, not to God (Matthew 27:4). And instead of turning to the Lord for forgiveness, he went out and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5). That is the fruit of worldly sorrow, not salvation. 2 Corinthians 7:10 says, “For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of, but the sorrow of the world worketh death.” That is exactly what we see in Judas.

Jesus also said plainly, “Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?” (John 6:70). Later He says of Judas, “It had been good for that man if he had not been born” (Matthew 26:24). You do not say that about someone who ends up saved. Judas is called the son of perdition in John 17:12, and Jesus says He lost none of His own except that one, so that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

So no, Jesus did not save Judas. Judas died lost, fulfilling prophecy, and was never truly a believer.

Thank you.
 

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It is called an everlasting destruction. When we destroy something, it is unfit for any further use. How much more when God does that.

Luke 14

25 Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, 26 “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. 27 And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. 28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it— 29 lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, 30 saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish’? 31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? 32 Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace. 33 So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.

34 “Salt is good; but if the salt has lost its flavor, how shall it be seasoned?

35 It is neither fit for the land nor for the [g]dunghill, but men throw it out.

He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”


Hell is a dumping ground for anything unfit for the kingdom of God, the trash goes there..

It sounds like you believe in forever punishment.
 

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So yes, I believe in eternal punishment...

Forever punishment is pointless and is contrary to the nature of God. It is a false doctrine. Take the verses you cited and use Young's Literal Translation to get better translations.
 

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… to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place.” ~ Acts 1:25

Acts 1:25 says that Judas, “by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” This verse is not talking about ministry transition or an earthly resting place. It speaks of judgment. The phrase “his own place” (ton topon ton idion in Greek) means a personal, fitting destination, something appointed specifically for him. And Scripture makes it unmistakably clear that Judas Iscariot, the betrayer of Christ, went to hell.

Jesus called Judas “a devil” in John 6:70. He wasn’t caught off guard or misunderstood, he was evil from the beginning. In John 17:12, Jesus prayed to the Father, saying, “Those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.” Judas is called the “son of perdition,” a title used elsewhere only for the man of sin in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Perdition (apōleia in Greek) means destruction, ruin, or eternal damnation. This is not temporary loss, it’s the fate of the damned.

In Matthew 26:24, Jesus gives the most chilling confirmation of Judas’s end: “Woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! It had been good for that man if he had not been born.” If there were any chance that Judas ended up in heaven or in some form of temporary punishment, that statement would make no sense. The only scenario where nonexistence would be preferable to one’s fate is eternal torment.

Judas’s actions were not a mistake or a momentary lapse. He betrayed the Lord of glory for money. He was not forced, manipulated, or ignorant. He willfully handed Jesus over, then hanged himself in remorse, not repentance. There’s a difference. Judas admitted guilt (Matthew 27:4), but he never turned to Christ for mercy. His sorrow was worldly sorrow, which leads to death, not life (2 Corinthians 7:10).

Revelation 21:8 says that “all liars,” along with the “unbelieving” and “murderers,” will have their part in the lake of fire. Judas fits all three. He lied, betrayed, and his sin played a direct role in the crucifixion of Christ. His part, his portion, was not with the apostles, not in the kingdom, but with the damned.

The word “place” in Acts 1:25 is topos, and it’s used in Luke 16:28 where the rich man in torment pleads for his brothers not to come to “this place of torment.” That is what “his own place” meant for Judas, not simply death, but a destination of divine wrath.

Judas’s end is not merely a historical fact. It is a warning to all who are near the things of God but never truly repent. You can walk with Jesus, hear His teaching, and even be trusted with ministry duties, yet still be lost. Judas kissed the Son of God and still went to hell. The Bible warns that many will say “Lord, Lord” and still be cast away (Matthew 7:21–23).

Let Judas’s fate be a sobering reminder that there is no salvation without repentance and true faith in Jesus Christ. If you have not turned to Him in faith, then “your own place” is already waiting, and it will not be heaven. “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3).
The only answer is we can't know for sure. What the bible is clear about or not clear about is irrelevant. God sees our hearts.
 

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Forever punishment is pointless and is contrary to the nature of God. It is a false doctrine. Take the verses you cited and use Young's Literal Translation to get better translations.
Forever "punishment" is chosen and is not contrary to the nature of God. Luke 16:19-31 but specifically v.26, "Moreover, between us and you a great chasm has been established, so that no one who wishes to do so can pass from our side to yours, nor can anyone pass from your side to ours." You can't just say stuff.
 

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Did he choose? When possessed by Satan?

Possession is the contagion of Satan who inoculates the human being with his juices and perverts its nature. It is the marriage of a spirit with Satan and animality. But possession is still a trifle as compared with incarnation.

So, why didn't Jesus purify and cure him? Because when a man is ill he seeks cure by himself, unless it is a child or a fool who are devoid of willpower. So, why did Jesus not treat Judas as a fool and see to it, without his being aware of it? Because it wouldn't have been just since Judas could still use his willpower. Judas knew what is good and what is evil for him. And Jesus's curing him would've been of no avail without Judas's will to remain cured. So, why didn't Jesus give Judas such a will? Should Jesus have imposed a good will on him? And his free will? What would it have become? What would his ego of a man, of a free creature be? Dominated?

Satan approached Judas, tempting him, testing him, and he received him. There is no possession if at the beginning there is no assent to some satanic temptation.
The snake introduces his head between the bars closely placed to defend hearts, but he would not be able to enter if man did not widen a passage to admire his alluring aspect and listen to and follow him... Only then man becomes dominated, possessed, because he wants it. God also darts the very kind lights of His paternal love from the heavens, and His lights penetrate us. Or rather: God, to Whom everything is possible, descends into the hearts of men. It is His right. Since man knows how to become a slave dominated by the Dreadful one, why does he not know how to become a servant of God, nay a son of God, and he drives away his Most Holy Father? Judas wanted Satan and preferred him to God.

But, Judas wasn't only possessed by Satan. Satan eventually became incarnate in him.

Only in Jesus Christ is God as He is in Heaven, because Jesus is the God Who became Flesh. One only is the divine Incarnation. Likewise Satan, Lucifer, was in one only, as he is in his kingdom, because Satan was incarnate only in the killer of the Son of God. When he was before the Sanhedrin and negotiating and pledging himself to have Jesus killed, it was not Judas. It was Satan.

Jesus chose the apostles and He elected them, so that they may go among peoples and they may bear fruit in themselves and in the hearts of those who are evangelized, and their fruit may remain, and the Father may give them everything they will ask of Him in His name.

Do not say: "So, if Jesus chose them, why did He choose a betrayer. If He knows everything, why did He do that?" He is not a man. He is Satan. If Satan, the eternal mimic of God, had not become incarnate in human flesh, this possessed man [Judas] couldn't have escaped the power of Jesus. That's why I said Judas was much more than possessed: he was annihilated in Satan.

So, why didn't Jesus defeat Satan? Could He not do that? He could. But in order to prevent Satan from taking bodily form to kill Him, He should have had to exterminate the human race before Redemption. So what would He have redeemed? (PV5)

When Judas no longer believed in Jesus, in the satisfaction of money, or in the protection of human law, he killed himself. Remorse over his crime? No. If it had been that, he would have killed himself immediately after grasping that Jesus knew. But not then, not after the vile kiss and the loving greeting, not then, not when he saw Jesus spat upon, bound, dragged away amidst a thousand insults. Only after having understood that the law did not protect him—the poor human law, which often creates or provokes crime, but afterwards washes its hands of its executors or accomplices and, if need be, turns against them and, after having used them, strikes them dumb forever by eliminating them—and only after having understood that power and money were not forthcoming or were too base to produce happiness, only then did he kill himself. He was in the darkness of nothingness. He cast himself into the darkness of hell. (N:43)

Remorse could have also saved Judas, if he had turned remorse into repentance. But he would not repent and, to the first crime of betrayal, still compatible because of the great mercy that is Jesus loving weakness, he added blasphemy, resistance to the voices of Grace, that still wanted to speak to him through recollections, through terrors, through Jesus's Blood and His mantle, through His glances, through the traces of the institution of the Eucharist, through the words of His Mother. He resisted everything. He wanted to resist. As he had wanted to betray. As he wanted to curse. As he wanted to commit suicide.

It is one's will that matters in things. Both in good and in evil. When one falls without the will to follow, Jesus forgives.
(PV5)
 

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Jesus paid for the sins of Judas.

He was a crook, who wanted money for himself.

Only to feel sorry afterwards bringing back the money.

Then he killed himself.

In my own line of though Yahavah doesn't stop calling people to himself even in the afterlife, though they may be out in the darkness.
 

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Possession is the contagion of Satan who inoculates the human being with his juices and perverts its nature. It is the marriage of a spirit with Satan and animality. But possession is still a trifle as compared with incarnation.

So, why didn't Jesus purify and cure him? Because when a man is ill he seeks cure by himself, unless it is a child or a fool who are devoid of willpower. So, why did Jesus not treat Judas as a fool and see to it, without his being aware of it? Because it wouldn't have been just since Judas could still use his willpower. Judas knew what is good and what is evil for him. And Jesus's curing him would've been of no avail without Judas's will to remain cured. So, why didn't Jesus give Judas such a will? Should Jesus have imposed a good will on him? And his free will? What would it have become? What would his ego of a man, of a free creature be? Dominated?

Satan approached Judas, tempting him, testing him, and he received him. There is no possession if at the beginning there is no assent to some satanic temptation.
The snake introduces his head between the bars closely placed to defend hearts, but he would not be able to enter if man did not widen a passage to admire his alluring aspect and listen to and follow him... Only then man becomes dominated, possessed, because he wants it. God also darts the very kind lights of His paternal love from the heavens, and His lights penetrate us. Or rather: God, to Whom everything is possible, descends into the hearts of men. It is His right. Since man knows how to become a slave dominated by the Dreadful one, why does he not know how to become a servant of God, nay a son of God, and he drives away his Most Holy Father? Judas wanted Satan and preferred him to God.

But, Judas wasn't only possessed by Satan. Satan eventually became incarnate in him.

Only in Jesus Christ is God as He is in Heaven, because Jesus is the God Who became Flesh. One only is the divine Incarnation. Likewise Satan, Lucifer, was in one only, as he is in his kingdom, because Satan was incarnate only in the killer of the Son of God. When he was before the Sanhedrin and negotiating and pledging himself to have Jesus killed, it was not Judas. It was Satan.

Jesus chose the apostles and He elected them, so that they may go among peoples and they may bear fruit in themselves and in the hearts of those who are evangelized, and their fruit may remain, and the Father may give them everything they will ask of Him in His name.

Do not say: "So, if Jesus chose them, why did He choose a betrayer. If He knows everything, why did He do that?" He is not a man. He is Satan. If Satan, the eternal mimic of God, had not become incarnate in human flesh, this possessed man [Judas] couldn't have escaped the power of Jesus. That's why I said Judas was much more than possessed: he was annihilated in Satan.

So, why didn't Jesus defeat Satan? Could He not do that? He could. But in order to prevent Satan from taking bodily form to kill Him, He should have had to exterminate the human race before Redemption. So what would He have redeemed? (PV5)

When Judas no longer believed in Jesus, in the satisfaction of money, or in the protection of human law, he killed himself. Remorse over his crime? No. If it had been that, he would have killed himself immediately after grasping that Jesus knew. But not then, not after the vile kiss and the loving greeting, not then, not when he saw Jesus spat upon, bound, dragged away amidst a thousand insults. Only after having understood that the law did not protect him—the poor human law, which often creates or provokes crime, but afterwards washes its hands of its executors or accomplices and, if need be, turns against them and, after having used them, strikes them dumb forever by eliminating them—and only after having understood that power and money were not forthcoming or were too base to produce happiness, only then did he kill himself. He was in the darkness of nothingness. He cast himself into the darkness of hell. (N:43)

Remorse could have also saved Judas, if he had turned remorse into repentance. But he would not repent and, to the first crime of betrayal, still compatible because of the great mercy that is Jesus loving weakness, he added blasphemy, resistance to the voices of Grace, that still wanted to speak to him through recollections, through terrors, through Jesus's Blood and His mantle, through His glances, through the traces of the institution of the Eucharist, through the words of His Mother. He resisted everything. He wanted to resist. As he had wanted to betray. As he wanted to curse. As he wanted to commit suicide.

It is one's will that matters in things. Both in good and in evil. When one falls without the will to follow, Jesus forgives.
(PV5)
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failed to consider, Satan possessed Judas for one purpose. And then departed. Which in guilt resizing what happened then,Judas hanged himself.

Why didn't Jesus cure Judas of his possession.

Maria overlooked the fact it was necessary so that Judas would turn Jesus over to the Pharisees. Jesus knew.

Which is why Maria missed Jesus telling Judas at that time, go and do what you must do .

Judas was part of God's plan.
 

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It sounds like you believe in forever punishment.
I have to agree with what scripture says.
And hell is not our concern.
You can do nothing about what God will do. God already decided what He will do.
So in that sense it is pointless to worry or be concerned about hell.
 

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We can be certain of one thing about hell, those who go there don't get let out for breaks.
Never seen hell myself. Read plenty of stories and who knows how genuine they were.
Hell is a place where the wicked receive bad things.

Abraham's bosom story describes it a little.
Everyone who goes to hell is worthy of being there.
Luke 16, notice Jesus describes the contrast between them.
That rich man in hell knew who Lazarus was! Likely saw him daily and did nothing to help him.

The Rich Man and Lazarus​

19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and [h]fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with [i]the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’

27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”
 
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From which Bible?
I usually read the NKJV, NIV, and do look at other versions too.

Blueletter bible is a good source for studying the words in scriptures.
Do a search and it breaks out the meaning in the Greek.


Here is hades

 

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Forever punishment is pointless and is contrary to the nature of God. It is a false doctrine. Take the verses you cited and use Young's Literal Translation to get better translations.
You’ve already been shown what the Bible says, and now you’re rejecting it outright. Let’s stop pretending this is about translation. It’s not. You’re not seeking truth, you’re trying to erase it.


“Forever punishment is pointless”? That’s your opinion, not God’s Word. God doesn’t ask you if His judgment makes sense to you. He declares what is just, and He warns us ahead of time because He is merciful. If you call it a “false doctrine,” then you’re calling Jesus Christ a false teacher, because He is the one who preached eternal punishment more than anyone else.


Jesus said plainly, “And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal” (Matthew 25:46). You can’t make one eternal and the other temporary without twisting the text. The exact same word is used for both. Either they both last forever, or neither does. You can’t have it both ways.


God is not only love, He is holy and just. You want to throw out judgment because it offends your emotions, but the Bible says:


“The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked” (Nahum 1:3).
“It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God” (Hebrews 10:31).
“Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord” (2 Thessalonians 1:9).
“The smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever, and they have no rest day nor night” (Revelation 14:11).

These are not opinions, they are facts from the mouth of God. You can mock them, ignore them, or try to philosophize them away, but you will not escape them.


The truth is, if you reject eternal punishment, you are rejecting the Word of God and preaching a false gospel. There’s no gentler way to say it. You are twisting Scripture instead of reading it the way God actually meant it.


Here’s your warning: if you deny the judgment of God, you are setting yourself up to face it.


“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life, and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him” (John 3:36).
I’m not interested in hearing your false teachings. I’ve seen enough to know they do not line up with the Word of God, so don’t bring them to me.