Jesus proclaims to pray to the Father.

[MatthewG]

Yeshua, prayed to Yahavah/Yahweh.

What makes it any different that we shouldn't follow that role that he introduced?

It's just not common among church going folk, and taught really. There are other important aspects they focus on rather than this.

Such as the certainty that over half the population is going to hell if they dont believe in Jesus.
Some times people are mean to other people and look down on them. (I use to do this a whole lot still have trouble.)
Gotta makes sure to have answers about Satan, and to them he is alive, not dead.
Gotta make sure to continue to narrative the end of days are coming, when they are protrayed to come back in that day.
Gotta make sure your are confessing your sins daily as though God doesn't know you as a person and understands your faults.
Gotta make sure you are assured that God does hate other groups of people (though i dont believe that personally.)
Gotta make sure you are ready for Jesus second coming today!

And we got all the answers...

Anything for numbers?

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus was NOT God.

Rev 3:14- “And to the angel of the church in La-odice′a write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation. - RSV

Hey dude, whats good.

That has nothing to do with the topic. Topic is just how Jesus taught concerning prayer. Nothing more.

 

[MatthewG]

@WheresTheTruth, you might wanna start a thread on "the divinity of Christ" or something to that effect if you want to talk about that subject.

Idk if it been banned or not to talk about. They did some rise on some ban content but idk if it has remained.

 

[ScottA]

Yeshua, prayed to Yahavah/Yahweh.

What makes it any different that we shouldn't follow that role that he introduced?

It's just not common among church going folk, and taught really. There are other important aspects they focus on rather than this.

Such as the certainty that over half the population is going to hell if they dont believe in Jesus.
Some times people are mean to other people and look down on them. (I use to do this a whole lot still have trouble.)
Gotta makes sure to have answers about Satan, and to them he is alive, not dead.
Gotta make sure to continue to narrative the end of days are coming, when they are protrayed to come back in that day.
Gotta make sure your are confessing your sins daily as though God doesn't know you as a person and understands your faults.
Gotta make sure you are assured that God does hate other groups of people (though i dont believe that personally.)
Gotta make sure you are ready for Jesus second coming today!

And we got all the answers...

Anything for numbers?

Did any of us--did you, have your own right hand create the universe?
Did you give identity and voice to Him to speak your word?
Did you choose a people to be your own, to set as a light upon a hill, that all may see and believe?
Did you send your servants ahead with your word, only to have them killed?
Did you then send your own right hand, your very image, to finish all things?

No, because for mankind such things are impossible.

But, what did He say, what is written?

"But Jesus looked at them and said to them, '“With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible'" (Matthew 19:26).​

 

[MatthewG]

Did any of us--did you, have your own right hand create the universe?
Did you give identity and voice to Him to speak your word?
Did you choose a people to be your own, to set as a light upon a hill, that all may see and believe?
Did you send your servants ahead with your word, only to have them killed?
Did you then send your own right hand, your very image, to finish all things?

No, because for mankind such things are impossible.

But, what did He say, what is written?

"But Jesus looked at them and said to them, '“With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible'" (Matthew 19:26).​

Do you have anything to say about the topic at hand, ScottA? It's about prayer. How Jesus taught prayer. Nothing more.

Jesus taught them to pray to the Father, whom had a name which was Yahavah/Yahweh.

 

[PS95]

Yeshua, prayed to Yahavah/Yahweh.

What makes it any different that we shouldn't follow that role that he introduced?

It's just not common among church going folk, and taught really. There are other important aspects they focus on rather than this.

Such as the certainty that over half the population is going to hell if they dont believe in Jesus.
Some times people are mean to other people and look down on them. (I use to do this a whole lot still have trouble.)
Gotta makes sure to have answers about Satan, and to them he is alive, not dead.
Gotta make sure to continue to narrative the end of days are coming, when they are protrayed to come back in that day.
Gotta make sure your are confessing your sins daily as though God doesn't know you as a person and understands your faults.
Gotta make sure you are assured that God does hate other groups of people (though i dont believe that personally.)
Gotta make sure you are ready for Jesus second coming today!

And we got all the answers...

Anything for numbers?

uhhh no...
I challenge you to show me where Jesus ever prayed using name?
I challenge you to show me where Jesus ever taught us to pray using a name?
Who should we listen to? You or Jesus?

Are you trying to say that if we pray - the way that Jesus modeled, "OUR FATHER" that is wrong?

Are you denying what Jesus said in John 14:14 also?

IF YOU ASK ME ANYTHING I WILL DO IT
ean aiteō egō tis en ·ho egō onoma, egō poieō

Try to understand that the WORD of God who spoke all things into existence came to us in the flesh on earth as JESUS- the very Son of God.
Quit trying to separate God from His Word. We have one God who created all things THROUGH HIS WORD.
Do you deny this?

 

[MatthewG]

Hi Ps95,

You're right, He says Father.
However, do you believe that the importance of Yahavah/Yahweh's name, is important to you in your life?

Hebrews 13:15. ESV Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name. Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise—the fruit of lips that openly profess his name.

I believe personally Yahavah, wanted his name to be known. I use his name in prayer, just as Jesus would have, even if we do call him "Father."

Eze 39:7 “In this way, I will make known my holy name among my people of Israel. I will not let anyone bring shame on it. And the nations, too, will know that I am the Yahweh/Yahavah, the Holy One of Israel.

You don't have to answer me, but just ask your own self.

"If you ask me anything I will do it." Only would have to be in accordance to Yahavahs will, and not our own. Yeshua, states that we can ask the Father/Yahweh/Yahavah to help us by the holy spirit. Luke 11:13.

 

[PS95]

Hi Ps95,

You're right, He says Father.

Exactly, Never once did Jesus teach us a name to use, nor did He Himself use a name when He prayed. There are many here who like to distort that truth. They announce a conspiracy and blame Christians. It is a lie. Out of respect the Jews said, Adonia (Lord). They did not want people to use God's name in vain which happens today all of the time. Nowhere, did Jesus condemn the idea of using, Lord instead of a name. Nowhere. If He had a problem with using Lord, He would not have used it Himself and, yet He did. "I thank you Father- Lord of heaven and earth.." If he had a problem with the Jews about that He sure never told anyone about it. Clearly, He did not have a problem. To top that off, He gave us the high honor of calling God our very own Father. No apostle told us to use any name other than Jesus' name. They also called God their Father.

However, do you believe that the importance of Yahavah/Yahweh's name, is important to you in your life?

Jesus is the only name that we need for salvation. Y'shua means Yah IS salvation. Jesus brought us the reality of salvation.
Is salvation found any other name but Jesus? No. If you believe the scriptures & trust in Jesus completely you will not need any another name.- Acts 4:12.
So to answer you directly, No, I don't need any other name and especially one that no one knows how to pronounce . People can call on Jehovah or Yahavah etc all day long, but if they don't belong to Jesus it wont matter one bit. Which name is more important then?
There is no tetragrammmaton in the 5000 NT manuscripts of the NT.
Being a child of God- I am absolutely thrilled to call God my ABBA, Father!!
Never once did I call my earthly father by a name- it was far more intimate and a privilege to call him, father. It would also have been disrespectful. It was about our relationship.
The same is true and far more incredible to have an intimate relationship with my Father in heaven.

Being a child of God has caused His spirit to work inward change in me-- that no group of letters and guessed at vowels ever did for me being raised as a Jw. I was not allowed to be a spiritual child of God as a JW- It was all about outward works and using a name for God- no inward transformation of God's Spirit. Jesus set me free and in His name I will stay.
Understand it isn't about using a "name". it's about Him. I will stick to what Jesus taught us and to what He did.

since I am

I believe personally Yahavah, wanted his name to be known. I use his name in prayer, just as Jesus would have, even if we do call him "Father."

You made an assumption about Jesus that I have never made nor will I.
I do not believe what you do about this, and It's not about a series of letters. You are entitled to pray as you prefer. Nothing wrong with it. I don't think it matters one way or the other. If you are interested in learning ALLLL about this issue from top to bottom- go here- www.tetragrammaton.org

You don't have to answer me, but just ask your own self.

"If you ask me anything I will do it." Only would have to be in accordance to Yahavahs will, and not our own. Yeshua, states that we can ask the Father/Yahweh/Yahavah to help us by the holy spirit. Luke 11:13.

You missed the point, Matthew. Of course in accordance to God's will. The point is what Jesus said there. I Just figured I would point it out in case you missed it since you seemed to take issue with how people are praying in the OP.

IF YOU ASK ME ANYTHING I WILL DO IT
ean aiteō egō tis en ·ho egō onoma, egō poieō

 

[ScottA]

Do you have anything to say about the topic at hand, ScottA? It's about prayer. How Jesus taught prayer. Nothing more.

Jesus taught them to pray to the Father, whom had a name which was Yahavah/Yahweh.

You are trying to rationalize and promote what you yourself believe as if Jesus was only a man--by your own understanding, against the counsel of God.

You are simply wrong.

He was before the foundation of the world, and defined by God Himself as His own image, His own word, His own right hand, and the same yesterday, today, and forever. By definition: Jesus is God Himself made manifest, making Himself visible to those who have eyes but cannot yet see.

As for being His Son--have you never given birth to something you conceived--your "baby" or "child" so to speak? Did you not get the memo on parables, or the use of examples like lambs, and bread, or wind and fire? Do you also consider those things as literal? Are you not getting any of this?

 

[MatthewG]

Exactly, Never once did Jesus teach us a name to use, nor did He Himself use a name when He prayed. There are many here who like to distort that truth. They announce a conspiracy and blame Christians. It is a lie. Out of respect the Jews said, Adonia (Lord). They did not want people to use God's name in vain which happens today all of the time. Nowhere, did Jesus condemn the idea of using, Lord instead of a name. Nowhere. If He had a problem with using Lord, He would not have used it Himself and, yet He did. "I thank you Father- Lord of heaven and earth.." If he had a problem with the Jews about that He sure never told anyone about it. Clearly, He did not have a problem. To top that off, He gave us the high honor of calling God our very own Father. No apostle told us to use any name other than Jesus' name. They also called God their Father.

Jesus is the only name that we need for salvation. Y'shua means Yah IS salvation. Jesus brought us the reality of salvation.
Is salvation found any other name but Jesus? No. If you believe the scriptures & trust in Jesus completely you will not need any another name.- Acts 4:12.
So to answer you directly, No, I don't need any other name and especially one that no one knows how to pronounce . People can call on Jehovah or Yahavah etc all day long, but if they don't belong to Jesus it wont matter one bit. Which name is more important then?
There is no tetragrammmaton in the 5000 NT manuscripts of the NT.
Being a child of God- I am absolutely thrilled to call God my ABBA, Father!!
Never once did I call my earthly father by a name- it was far more intimate and a privilege to call him, father. It would also have been disrespectful. It was about our relationship.
The same is true and far more incredible to have an intimate relationship with my Father in heaven.

Being a child of God has caused His spirit to work inward change in me-- that no group of letters and guessed at vowels ever did for me being raised as a Jw. I was not allowed to be a spiritual child of God as a JW- It was all about outward works and using a name for God- no inward transformation of God's Spirit. Jesus set me free and in His name I will stay.
Understand it isn't about using a "name". it's about Him. I will stick to what Jesus taught us and to what He did.


You made an assumption about Jesus that I have never made nor will I.
I do not believe what you do about this, and It's not about a series of letters. You are entitled to pray as you prefer. Nothing wrong with it. I don't think it matters one way or the other. If you are interested in learning ALLLL about this issue from top to bottom- go here www.tetragrammaton.com

You missed the point, Matthew. Of course in accordance to God's will. The point is what Jesus said there. I Just figured I would point it out in case you missed it since you seemed to take issue with how people are praying in the OP.

IF YOU ASK ME ANYTHING I WILL DO IT
ean aiteō egō tis en ·ho egō onoma, egō poieō

Whoa, you seem a little mad or irritated. I love the name of God; Yahavah/ Yahweh. Look whatever you do is between you and yourself.

 

[MatthewG]

You are trying to rationalize and promote what you yourself believe as if Jesus was only a man--by your own understanding, against the counsel of God.

You are simply wrong.

He was before the foundation of the world, and defined by God Himself as His own image, His own word, His own right hand, and the same yesterday, today, and forever. By definition: Jesus is God Himself made manifest, making Himself visible to those who have eyes but cannot yet see.

As for being His Son--have you never given birth to something you conceived--your "baby" or "child" so to speak? Did you not get the memo on parables, or the use of examples like lambs, and bread, or wind and fire? Do you also consider those things as literal? Are you not getting any of this?

If you believe so.

It seems people just got a lot of unsure issues.

I don’t know why people would have such issues over Yahavahs/ Yahwehs name.

You assume a lot but assuming doesn’t make it true.

I’m thankful to be wrong.

 

[MatthewG]

I’m don’t care how people pray.

That’s up to the individual. I’m just wondering if we should follow his example or not.

Some people pray to Jesus.
Some people pray to the Father.
Some may do both.

I’m not telling anyone how they should pray.
I’m just suggesting following Jesus directive concerning prayer.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus’s Father had a name, and in all truthfulness Jesus used Yahavah /Yahweh.

Some people say Jesus name is above all other names; but I digress. Jesus used His Fathers name; and “Hallowed shall it be kept.”

Jesus name is above all names concerning salvation. I don't get personally offended by these things, though other people may.

 

[ScottA]

If you believe so.

It seems people just got a lot of unsure issues.

I don’t know why people would have such issues over Yahavahs/ Yahwehs name.

You assume a lot but assuming doesn’t make it true.

I’m thankful to be wrong.

I have not been saying what I merely "believe."

 

[ScottA]

I’m don’t care how people pray.

That’s up to the individual. I’m just wondering if we should follow his example or not.

Some people pray to Jesus.
Some people pray to the Father.
Some may do both.

I’m not telling anyone how they should pray.
I’m just suggesting following Jesus directive concerning prayer.

That is great advice. It does not, however, properly define who Jesus is.

The issue of who Jesus is, is only to be understood properly from God's perspective, rather than our own. In other words, putting ourselves in God's position, it would be like one of us sending images online to explain every little thing, including things about us: what we look like, what we act like, what we like, what we dislike, what our plans are. Do that online with someone who has never met you, maybe from a different country or world, then put yourself in their shoes. He has done all that, and more.

Jesus is God, first and last created in His image.

 

[PS95]

I’m don’t care how people pray.
That’s up to the individual. I’m just wondering if we should follow his example or not.

Sure you were telling people how they should pray. Your Op was clear. I am asking you WHAT EXAMPLE are you saying that we are not following? Jesus prayed to FATHER and did not use a name nor did He teach us to use a name. You are saying his did by example.. WHERE?

Some people pray to Jesus.
Some people pray to the Father.
Some may do both.

I’m not telling anyone how they should pray.
I’m just suggesting following Jesus directive concerning prayer.

Show us Jesus' directive then please?

 

[MatthewG]

Sure you were telling people how they should pray. Your Op was clear. I am asking you WHAT EXAMPLE are you saying that we are not following? Jesus prayed to FATHER and did not use a name nor did He teach us to use a name. You are saying his did by example.. WHERE?

Show us Jesus' directive then please?

Most bibles take out God's name. I mean, if you can't think for yourself, I don't know. Jesus proclaimed the name of his Father, even if you may suggest not so. Go back and read God, and say Yahavah/Yahweh, then find out for yourself.

 

[MatthewG]

That is great advice. It does not, however, properly define who Jesus is.

The issue of who Jesus is, is only to be understood properly from God's perspective, rather than our own. In other words, putting ourselves in God's position, it would be like one of us sending images online to explain every little thing, including things about us: what we look like, what we act like, what we like, what we dislike, what our plans are. Do that online with someone who has never met you, maybe from a different country or world, then put yourself in their shoes. He has done all that, and more.

Jesus is God, first and last created in His image.

ScottA,

Who is Jesus? How did he become one with his Father? It was only in and during Revelation, he sat down at with his Father.

So, this Jesus being God while he was living his human life, just doesn't make sense. I do believe indeed he was the Word of God.

Who is the Word of God, the Word of Life?

The inquiry at hand is about the identity of the Word of God, the Word of Life. Let's look in the 1 Epistle of John at the first three verses, and see what can be learned. John writing to the believers in his day in age saying; 1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard...

www.christianityboard.com

I really just hate blanketed statements of "Jesus is God" without having any explaining. Jesus was not God (while living in his earthly ministry) Jesus was deified, he was the image of the Invisible God, until he sat at the throne with his Father in his former glory, becoming "LORD GOD ALMIGHTY."

Even so, Jesus gave everything back to his Father (Yahavah/Yahweh), just Paul suggested.

Have you ever heard it explained like this? Or not?

 

[PS95]

Most bibles take out God's name.

are you parroting another? I'm sure that you don't understand this. Being raised as a Jw and then becoming a Christian, I had to completely educate myself with regard to this issue. - top to bottom and inside and out.- Notice I don't argue it on here much and the reason is that people who make a big deal out of this always have a basic lack of understanding about Christ. That is where they need help first and foremost. While I see nothing wrong with trying to say God's name with various pronunciations if that's your desire.
But there is NO excuse to insist that we need to use it.
Check out this extensive website for you to educate yourself better on the issue. I fixed the link.
Don't take this as an insult please- but sometimes there is nothing worse or more dangerous than someone who knows just a little Greek.
I am not speaking about Greek specifically but as an example of a topic that is dangerous to speak about without fully understanding.
I will tell you again- there are many false teachers on these boards.
www.tetragrammaton.org

 

[MatthewG]

are you parroting another? I'm sure that you don't understand this. Being raised as a Jw and then becoming a Christian, I had to completely educate myself with regard to this issue. - top to bottom and inside and out.- Notice I don't argue it on here much and the reason is that people who make a big deal out of this always have a basic lack of understanding about Christ. That is where they need help first and foremost. While I see nothing wrong with trying to say God's name with various pronunciations if that's your desire.
But there is NO excuse to insist that we need to use it.
Check out this extensive website for you to educate yourself better on the issue. I fixed the link.
Don't take this as an insult please- but sometimes there is nothing worse or more dangerous than someone who knows just a little Greek.
I am not speaking about Greek specifically but as an example of a topic that is dangerous to speak about without fully understanding.
I will tell you again- there are many false teachers on these boards.
www.tetragrammaton.org

I don't care about false teachers or anyone doing anything else on this website... people gonna do people stuff.

Im not Jehovah witness.

I am just a person who follows after Yeshua, and allows him to be my peace between Yahavah.


I dont care about the tetrgramm site, dont need it.