OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Christian Soldier]

Wow man a lot of fluff here

Chose this day who you will follow

Yes we can only serve one or the other

Thank God he gives us the ability through the cross to chose to receive his love so we can serve him

You contradict yourself again, you say God gives "us" the ability to choose to receive His love so we can serve Him. But you never ever identify who the "us" and "we" are.

If you can't identify these mysterious people, then your doctrine falls over.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Wow man a lot of fluff here

Chose this day who you will follow

Yes we can only serve one or the other

Thank God he gives us the ability through the cross to chose to receive his love so we can serve him

The other problem with your theory is, you say you are saved because you made a choice to receive His love. But God said, "you did not choose Me but I chose you". Hmmmm, now who is He referring to here????

 

[Christian Soldier]

"Jesus came into the world............to save sinners"..

A.) all of them.

AA.) 'All have sinned.....there is none righteous no not ONE".

Will all sinners be saved?

No.

Only those who "believe".......as our Salvation is "Justification BY Faith"..... not by works or water baptism.

Please refrain from superimposing your word over Gods Word. God never said "ALL OF THEM". You just made that up, then you pluck out unrelated verses and apply them, so that is to abuse Gods Word.

You are suggesting that a man is saved by using the power of his faith to force God's hand. But God said that He is the One who gives faith to His children, as a gift, along with repentance. These are gifts which God gives t0o those He chose to save before He created the world. They are not something you conjure up in your mind.

 

[Taken]

God never offered anything to anyone,

WOW…



Heb 10:
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

you just made that nonsense up

I am not accountable for YOUR lack of due diligence to Search the Scriptures to discover WHAT God OFFERED…TO WHOM…AND HOW MANY TIMES God MADE HIS OFFERING!

in a vein attempt to defend your false Arminian version of the gospel.

YOU are accountable for YOUR OWN (laughable, ridiculous, I have NEVER mentioned) False Accusations.

You will never show me a single verse in the bible, where God offered anything to anyone.

You Never expressed YOU Searched the Scriptures and YOU FAILED to Find Gods OFFERING.
YOU Never ASK me TO SHOW YOU Gods Offering.

The true and living God, only gives and takes away.

God certainly Does Give and Does TakeAway…
However God is NOT “Limited by YOUR Ignorance.

He's not like some desperate used car salesman, pushing a lemon on unsuspecting victims.

Your ignorant “comparison” of God. Ewee!

You have a very low view of God,

Gaslighter, eat your own words!

and that's why you put Him in that pathetic category.

Gaslighter, your thoughts, your words, YOU eat them!

I know this truth destroys your Arminian theology,

Gaslighter. I have never once mentioned such theology.

I have read the ancient records and I found that you conveniently ignore the facts,

Even the Devil can Read AND NOT Understand and Make False Accusations!!

Even the Devil chose to Reject Gods Offering and Understanding and Attempts to Blame Others for his OWN Shortcomings.

Why don't you explain why God killed 23,000 Israelites who were with Moses in "Numbers 25:9, yeah so much for your "All the Lord has spoken we will do" and the free will movement.

Waste of Time to “Explain” TO “Gaslighters and False Accusers” NOT equipped with Gods Spiritual Understanding.

I'm not forced to follow the Lord, I do it because He is my beloved Lord and savior.

Fascinating Claim, Right after you Said…

The true and living God, only gives and takes away.

God Giving His ONLY begotten Son…
Is Gods Works.
God OFFERING Jesus’ Body TO ALL men of the Whole World…
Duh… IS THE OPTION OF ALL men OF the World… TO TAKE or REJECT Gods OFFERING!

YOU reveal YOUR own ignorance to Not KNOW Historically and TO THIS day men Exercise their own Free Will TO Take OR Reject Gods Offering.

Your Preaching man has NO FREEWILL to Choose or Reject God…IS utterly False.

You project a FALSE narrative… That “IF” God “chooses” to save a man…that man, AGAINST his own will, Shall be Forced Into being saved.

The MYSTRY IS…God Already Knows …WHAT each individual man “Will freely Choose”…
Men “know their Own Choice, ON the day THEY decide and MAKE their Choice!”

At what AGE did YOU make “Your” Choice?
Do you Recall?

 

[Behold]

Please refrain from superimposing your word over Gods Word. God never said "ALL OF THEM".

"Jesus came into the world......to Save Sinners'...

"sinners"...... = "ALL have sinned.....there is none righteous, no not ONE".

So, The Cross of Christ is for ALL Sinners....... (See John 3:16)......

Will "all sinners"....come to Jesus and be saved.
No, not all, but all may come, ALL are invited........ as Jesus has died for them ALL.

 

[David Lamb]

WOW…



Heb 10:
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

But to Whom was the body of Jesus Christ offered? Here is verse 10 in its context:

“Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come — In the volume of the book it is written of Me — To do Your will, O God.’" Previously saying, "Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings]for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them" (which are offered according to the law), then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." He takes away the first that He may establish the second. By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God,” (Heb 10:7-12 NKJV)

Jesus didn't offer His body as a sacrifice to us, but to His heavenly Father.

 

[Taken]

The other problem with your theory is, you say you are saved because you made a choice to receive His love.

Hogwash!
Gods Love IS NOT “conditioned” by a mans “choice” to Receive Gods Gift of Salvation.

God Loves All of His Creation.
Not ALL of Gods creation “chooses” to Receive God Gift of Salvation.

But God said, "you did not choose Me but I chose you". Hmmmm, now who is He referring to here????

Duh… God chooses to Have a Relationship WITH His Creations…
And WHEN “His creations get to getting and Decide and Freely CHOOSES to Have a Relationship WITH God… Both God and the individual man will be prepared to Have a mutual Chosen and Agreed Relationship!

 

[Taken]

But to Whom was the body of Jesus Christ offered? Here is verse 10 in its context:

Heb 10: ALL

In context…of this world (earth).

 

[Behold]

Jesus didn't offer His body as a sacrifice to us, but to His heavenly Father.

"God hath made Jesus........to be sin....for US".......as the "one Time eternal Sacrifice for Sin"...

So, He is the sin offering for us...........Given TO GOD.......Who requires it, so that by His Eternal Sacrifice, "many will be made righteous" for eternity. (all the born again).

This means that the NEW Covenant, is between GOD and JESUS...........on a "sinners' behalf.

"Jesus came into the world to save sinners"..

 

[Taken]

Astounding…the utter lack of “natural common sense and Spiritual Understanding..

A “Relationship Established Between Two parties, REQUIRES Each party to “Choose the Other.”

Each Party MUST Choose To AGREE with the other parties Conditions

Banks OFFER Loans…
Are you Forced to Take Their Offering? LOL

No.
However … you are Required to Agree With Their conditions…
Agree to Choose to Open an account…
Agree to Choose to Repay certain amounts on certain dates.

God loves His Creations …
You want a relationship WITH God?
You have to Choose To Agree:
You Believe God Exists;
You Believe God IS Truth;
You Love God;
You Trust God;
You Believe Jesus’ Body Died and was resurrected and IS alive;
Etc.

If you do NOT know the “Terms Required” to Establish and Freely Choose to Enter into an Agreed Relationship…WITH God…
How do you “conclude YOU HAVE a Relationship….that You “Never of your own Freewill Chose To enter into such A relationship?”

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

God never offered anything to anyone, you just made that nonsense up in a vein attempt to defend your false Arminian version of the gospel.

You will never show me a single verse in the bible, where God offered anything to anyone. The true and living God, only gives and takes away. He's not like some desperate used car salesman, pushing a lemon on unsuspecting victims. You have a very low view of God, and that's why you put Him in that pathetic category.

God had already regenerated, converted and saved the Hebrews in question. So it would be very foolish to offer them salvation after they they were already saved. I know this truth destroys your Arminian theology, but believers cannot agree with those who reject the truth of the gospel, just to get along.

I have read the ancient records and I found that you conveniently ignore the facts, when they expose your false narrative. Why don't you explain why God killed 23,000 Israelites who were with Moses in "Numbers 25:9, yeah so much for your "All the Lord has spoken we will do" and the free will movement.

I'm not forced to follow the Lord, I do it because He is my beloved Lord and savior. Those who are not saved, don't follow Him and neither can they as it is against their carnal nature. They only live to serve sin and Satan and they are utterly powerless to do anything to change their nature.

And you do it ,follow,because his Holy Spirit entered you first. And lifted the separation from your natural mind and his so that you could understand the Gospel and be saved.

That only happens when God chooses you.

It's surprising how people insist on their own preferences in place of God's .

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Astounding…the utter lack of “natural common sense and Spiritual Understanding..

A “Relationship Established Between Two parties, REQUIRES Each party to “Choose the Other.”

Each Party MUST Choose To AGREE with the other parties Conditions

Banks OFFER Loans…
Are you Forced to Take Their Offering? LOL

No.
However … you are Required to Agree With Their conditions…
Agree to Choose to Open an account…
Agree to Choose to Repay certain amounts on certain dates.

God loves His Creations …
You want a relationship WITH God?
You have to Choose To Agree:
You Believe God Exists;
You Believe God IS Truth;
You Love God;
You Trust God;
You Believe Jesus’ Body Died and was resurrected and IS alive;
Etc.

If you do NOT know the “Terms Required” to Establish and Freely Choose to Enter into an Agreed Relationship…WITH God…
How do you “conclude YOU HAVE a Relationship….that You “Never of your own Freewill Chose To enter into such A relationship?”

Nothing in scripture supports the idea we freely choose to follow God.

Paul tells us this in 1st Corinthians 2.

Yet,that is ignored because the natural mind is self-ish. Self-absorbed.

No wonder it supports self determination. No wonder it presumes it can tell God what to do.

 

[Behold]

Nothing in scripture supports the idea we freely choose to follow God.

When a sinner decides to Trust in Christ, using THEIR Faith, then THEIR "faith is counted by God"...which proves they have chosen.

What a deceived Calvinist, can never comprehend, among other things.....is that God does not choose you to believe......its the Believer themselves....who has Chosen to Believe.........in Christ.

How do we know this is true?
Its because if you were not allowed to Believe, then God would not be justified in judging a Christ Rejector = for their Christ Rejection.
How could Holy God, be Justified in judging your Christ Rejection, if He wont allow you to believe.

So, we see just how CRAZY is.....Calvinism....HyperCalvinism.......when you actually realize it.

God judges the Christ Rejector because of their CHOICE.......... to reject Christ., as that justifies God's Judgment of a Christ Rejector.

John 3:36

 

[Taken]

Nothing in scripture supports the idea we freely choose to follow God.

Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

If … by meaning MEANS receipt of Salvation HAS A “Condition”…

Why a Condition?
Why does a man Have to Confess Belief to become MADE saved?

Since you claim, men do not “Choose” to Believe in God…

Why Does Every Mortal man Not Believe?

Ya think God forgot to Force Every mortal man to Believe in God?