OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Taken]

The only way they can choose is when God opens their mind to understanding and receiving his gift.

Disagree.

THAT is the BACKWARD scenario an ATHEIST promotes…
To Be Given “Understanding”….BEFORE the man “CHOOSES” and “CONSENTS” by his Word…TO BELIEVE.

Gods “WAY” …
IS a man “CHOOSING” TO Hear the Word of God.

Gods “WAY” …
IS “BLESSING” that man, With Gods Blessing … oF “MEASURED FAITH”.

Hear “a Little” …
Receive “a Little Faith” …
Endure / “Continue Hearing” …
“Continue Receiving Gods Blessing of FAITH Increase.”

God IS Spirit.
Gods “Communication with man, IS Spirit to spirit”
Gods “BLESSING” of FAITH, IS Directly Given TO …. The mans spirit.!
Not the mans MIND!

The mans spirit, IS: “the thoughts IN his HEART”…(NOT his MIND).

A mans “Communication With / To God, IS: the mans spirit TO Gods Spirit”.

WHEN…
* The man…HAS “CHOSEN” TO Hear the Word of God…
* The mans “spirit” receives “Gods Blessing of FAITH FROM Gods Spirit”.

The mans “Choice” .to continue hearing…for awhile, Stop, Resume, Continue, Stop altogether…”
* THIS IS “CALLED The man “TASTING”the Word of God.
* THIS is a period of Time (of a man Hearing,) receiving Faith… the man IS “Being PREPARED” to choose.
TO … Heartfully, Spiritually CHOOSE “TO BELIEVE … or Not”.

* “Preparation” IS A Critical Time IN a mortal mans natural Life.
* hearing, continue receiving Faith.
* sidetracked, not hearing, not receiving Increase of Faith… THUS…
* the man open TO … hearing “secular” “Worldly” views, “influences of anti-godly rhetoric” … and “consideration” of THOSE such Views… and “man Freely Choosing TO “adopt secular Worldly Views…. For “their OWN “BELIEF”.

* Such a man…. STOPS, receiving Gods Blessing OF Faith.
* Such a man “IS Called: Having FALLEN FROM Faith”.
* Such a man IS NO Longer being Spiritually PREPARED… TO Faithfully, Heartfully, (spiritually) Believe IN God OR Heartfully / Spiritually Call on the Lord… AND “CHOOSE” to CONFESS his Heartful / spirit BELIEF IN the Lord God”! “OR” “receive Gods “Gift OF SALVATION”, which God Offered to him!!!

For the Man… who “chooses” to continue Being PREPARED…and “Chooses” to Heartfully (spiritually) Confess TO the Lord God…
God Does What God Teaches man TO DO…. “ VERIFY “…. The mans WORD of Trstimony (Confession)…..”BE TRUE”….??
* God “Searches” the mans Heart (spirit)…
“IF” the mans testimony (confession” BE TRUE….)
“THEN” does God Work His Work(S)…which “Includes” ( but not limited to) giving that man Gods GIFT of “SOUL SALVATION”.)

* it IS the man, WHO HAS “received Soul salvation, spirit Quickening… WHO himself IS tasked With…“MAKING” his OWN Carnal MIND “subject To, sub-servant To, the knowledge, the Truth, of Gods Word, IN the Mans spirit in his Heart, ( continually Being “FED” Gods Truths, ( By, Through, Of … Gods “Holy Spirit OF TRUTH” , dwelling “WITH and IN” such a mans (quickened, “(born again of Gods Seed)…spirit in his heart. )

IT IS NOW, such man… IS “PREPARED” TO Receive From the Lord God…
Gods “spiritual Understanding” of Gods Word.

God Has … an “ORDER and WAY” …
“Step by Step, Bit by Bit”…
For Every Individual Human Earthly manKIND of Being … regardless of Ancient, Historical, Modern Era, Race, (Jew or Gentile), Gender, Age, Political Agendas, Weather disturbances, Hard Times, Fat and Plentiful Times…. “To Learn, His” “Order and WAY” and “FREELY, WILLINGLY Choose” Gods Order and WAY…. (or Not.)

Gods WORD Is One Thing, Which is freely Given to ALL… (Angels) and (manKind).

Gods (spiritual) UNDERSTANDING, (of Gods WORD), is another Thing, Which is Reserved / Exclusively Only Given to “Those”…
(Angels and manKind of beings)…
WHO “have Heartfully , spiritually, freely Confess their True Belief IN the Lord God Almighty”.

Angel and manKind of beings, Whose “true spiritual Belief IS NOT WITH God” by Default “IS Against God” … and Shall forever become made Eternally “separated From God.”

Matt 12:
[30] He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Luke 11:
[23] He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

Picking, Choosing, Electing….the Lord God Almighty… IS the Angels, IS the manKind… FREEWILL Option to Establish a Relationship WITH God… (or not).

Open Ears, Open Eyes… Hear, See… (regardless of the Era, ancient, historical, modern, today…)
Some Angels (approx 1/3) and Majority of manKind (far greater than 50%) …
* Freely Choose TO … Reject, Deny, Promote Rejection and Denial BELIEF in the Lord God Almighty.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You contradict yourself again, you say God gives "us" the ability to choose to receive His love so we can serve Him. But you never ever identify who the "us" and "we" are.

If you can't identify these mysterious people, then your doctrine falls over.

John 3

For God so loved the world

For God was not sent to judge the world but THAT it MAY be saved

Everyone has the possibility in fact they are required to make a decision

He who believes is not condemned

He who does not believe remains in a condemned state which they already were

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The other problem with your theory is, you say you are saved because you made a choice to receive His love. But God said, "you did not choose Me but I chose you". Hmmmm, now who is He referring to here????

I never said any such thing

I said Gid handed me his salvation and I recieved it in faith. Instead of saying no thank you God like Israel and so many others have

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And you do it ,follow,because his Holy Spirit entered you first. And lifted the separation from your natural mind and his so that you could understand the Gospel and be saved.

That only happens when God chooses you.

It's surprising how people insist on their own preferences in place of God's .

The HS can not enter a person who in unbelief is in a condemned state

 

[Behold]

The only way they can choose is when God opens their mind to understanding and receiving his gift.

Everyone has "the measure of faith"............

So, the Holy Spirit "draws"... ... which is this.....>>Jesus said......"if i be lifted up (on the Cross). I will DRAW ALL people to me".

So, that is the Holy Spirit = """Christ is THAT Spirit"... revealing to the heart of a person who is hearing the Gospel.......like this...>"faith comes by HEARING"..

The Holy Spirit reveals that The Gospel is TRUE.......and now the hearer who is enlightend by the Holy Spirit.. is now brought to this point..

They have... = "come to the knowledge of the TRUTH"..........and now they KNOW that the Gospel is True, and Jesus is Savior.

So, what happens next, is ..........

1.) Will they put THEIR TRUST in Christ?

2.) Will they wait.

3.) Wil they refuse.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Disagree.

THAT is the BACKWARD scenario an ATHEIST promotes…
To Be Given “Understanding”….BEFORE the man “CHOOSES” and “CONSENTS” by his Word…TO BELIEVE.

Gods “WAY” …
IS a man “CHOOSING” TO Hear the Word of God.

Gods “WAY” …
IS “BLESSING” that man, With Gods Blessing … oF “MEASURED FAITH”.

Hear “a Little” …
Receive “a Little Faith” …
Endure / “Continue Hearing” …
“Continue Receiving Gods Blessing of FAITH Increase.”

God IS Spirit.
Gods “Communication with man, IS Spirit to spirit”
Gods “BLESSING” of FAITH, IS Directly Given TO …. The mans spirit.!
Not the mans MIND!

The mans spirit, IS: “the thoughts IN his HEART”…(NOT his MIND).

A mans “Communication With / To God, IS: the mans spirit TO Gods Spirit”.

WHEN…
* The man…HAS “CHOSEN” TO Hear the Word of God…
* The mans “spirit” receives “Gods Blessing of FAITH FROM Gods Spirit”.

The mans “Choice” .to continue hearing…for awhile, Stop, Resume, Continue, Stop altogether…”
* THIS IS “CALLED The man “TASTING”the Word of God.
* THIS is a period of Time (of a man Hearing,) receiving Faith… the man IS “Being PREPARED” to choose.
TO … Heartfully, Spiritually CHOOSE “TO BELIEVE … or Not”.

* “Preparation” IS A Critical Time IN a mortal mans natural Life.
* hearing, continue receiving Faith.
* sidetracked, not hearing, not receiving Increase of Faith… THUS…
* the man open TO … hearing “secular” “Worldly” views, “influences of anti-godly rhetoric” … and “consideration” of THOSE such Views… and “man Freely Choosing TO “adopt secular Worldly Views…. For “their OWN “BELIEF”.

* Such a man…. STOPS, receiving Gods Blessing OF Faith.
* Such a man “IS Called: Having FALLEN FROM Faith”.
* Such a man IS NO Longer being Spiritually PREPARED… TO Faithfully, Heartfully, (spiritually) Believe IN God OR Heartfully / Spiritually Call on the Lord… AND “CHOOSE” to CONFESS his Heartful / spirit BELIEF IN the Lord God”! “OR” “receive Gods “Gift OF SALVATION”, which God Offered to him!!!

For the Man… who “chooses” to continue Being PREPARED…and “Chooses” to Heartfully (spiritually) Confess TO the Lord God…
God Does What God Teaches man TO DO…. “ VERIFY “…. The mans WORD of Trstimony (Confession)…..”BE TRUE”….??
* God “Searches” the mans Heart (spirit)…
“IF” the mans testimony (confession” BE TRUE….)
“THEN” does God Work His Work(S)…which “Includes” ( but not limited to) giving that man Gods GIFT of “SOUL SALVATION”.)

* it IS the man, WHO HAS “received Soul salvation, spirit Quickening… WHO himself IS tasked With…“MAKING” his OWN Carnal MIND “subject To, sub-servant To, the knowledge, the Truth, of Gods Word, IN the Mans spirit in his Heart, ( continually Being “FED” Gods Truths, ( By, Through, Of … Gods “Holy Spirit OF TRUTH” , dwelling “WITH and IN” such a mans (quickened, “(born again of Gods Seed)…spirit in his heart. )

IT IS NOW, such man… IS “PREPARED” TO Receive From the Lord God…
Gods “spiritual Understanding” of Gods Word.

God Has … an “ORDER and WAY” …
“Step by Step, Bit by Bit”…
For Every Individual Human Earthly manKIND of Being … regardless of Ancient, Historical, Modern Era, Race, (Jew or Gentile), Gender, Age, Political Agendas, Weather disturbances, Hard Times, Fat and Plentiful Times…. “To Learn, His” “Order and WAY” and “FREELY, WILLINGLY Choose” Gods Order and WAY…. (or Not.)

Gods WORD Is One Thing, Which is freely Given to ALL… (Angels) and (manKind).

Gods (spiritual) UNDERSTANDING, (of Gods WORD), is another Thing, Which is Reserved / Exclusively Only Given to “Those”…
(Angels and manKind of beings)…
WHO “have Heartfully , spiritually, freely Confess their True Belief IN the Lord God Almighty”.

Angel and manKind of beings, Whose “true spiritual Belief IS NOT WITH God” by Default “IS Against God” … and Shall forever become made Eternally “separated From God.”

Matt 12:
[30] He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Luke 11:
[23] He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

Picking, Choosing, Electing….the Lord God Almighty… IS the Angels, IS the manKind… FREEWILL Option to Establish a Relationship WITH God… (or not).

Open Ears, Open Eyes… Hear, See… (regardless of the Era, ancient, historical, modern, today…)
Some Angels (approx 1/3) and Majority of manKind (far greater than 50%) …
* Freely Choose TO … Reject, Deny, Promote Rejection and Denial BELIEF in the Lord God Almighty.


Glory to God,
Taken

You lost all credibility when implying I'm an atheist.

You refuse to accept what scripture says. You invent your own ideology and insist scripture agrees when it cannot. That doesn't make me the atheist.

We're done.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The only way they can choose is when God opens their mind to understanding and receiving his gift.

It's a real shame that apparently the Lord decided to not open the minds of most people so He is the one that is responsible for so many people going to hell

I guess God just wants most people to go to hell like the crazy calvinists claim

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

It's a real shame that apparently the Lord decided to not open the minds of most people so He is the one that is responsible for so many people going to hell

I guess God just wants most people to go to hell like the crazy calvinists claim

LOL

He is responsible for all things. Even those who post screed as suffers A-CDS.

I'm not Calvinist. I do take God at his word though.

Too bad others don't Accusing Calvinism doesn't obscure that fact.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

He is responsible for all things.

When a pedophile rapes a little boy, God caused the pedophile to do the dirty deed?
When a drunk driver kills someone in a car wreck, God caused the drunk to kill them?

This is what the calvinists claim which is of course false teaching which is one of the many reasons why calvinists are heretics

A lot of people claiming to not be calvinists are clearly in agreement with calvinist heresy having been deceived by calvinist lies.

 

[Behold]

He is responsible for all things.

God is not responsible for what you think, or what you are going to do next @Sister-n-Christ .

God is not "responsible" for the evil that people do.

See, one of the worst aspects of the hyper-calvinism "doctrine of devils", is that God is blamed for the work of the Devil, as that is proven when a HyperCalvinist states that :: "God is responsible for it all".

Like.......60 million Abortions in the USA.........Like Child Molestors........Like Christ Rejectors........Like Murdering Jews........Like destroying the USA with open borders......and how about....... Pedophiles, and Rapists, and Incest, and Beastality, and Islam, and on and on.

So, that is how demonically UGLY Calvinism "TULIP"" "HyperCalvinism" is........Its a theological cancer on the body of Christ that teaches that God is doing the Devil's work.

So......Reader.....Be careful not to become a Calvinist, as you'll eventually evolve into a Hyper Calvinist.

Just remember.

God is not a Calvinist.
Jesus is not a Calvinist
Paul, Peter, Jude, James, John and the rest, are not a Calvinist.
The Holy Spirit is not a Calvinist.
The Holy Bible does not teach Calvinism.

God makes Christians.

Calvinism makes Calvinists.

Those are not the same.... and will never be the same.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

God is not "responsible" for the evil that people do.

And yet the calvinists and those deceived by calvinist heresy continue to teach that He causes people to do evil.

 

[Behold]

And yet the calvinists and those deceived by calvinist heresy continue to teach that He causes people to do evil.

Yes.

They are deceived and they want to deceive all they can find.

Christians lead people to CHRIST.

A Calvinist, wants to lead a Christian or anyone else into CALVINISM..

And that is not of God.

 

[Taken]

You lost all credibility when implying I'm an atheist.

I didn’t . Sorry you took my comment that way.

You refuse to accept what scripture says.

Like what?

You invent your own ideology

No.

and insist scripture agrees when it cannot.

Like what?

That doesn't make me the atheist.

If I thought that, I am not shy and would have said that is what I thought of you.

We're done.

Ok.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

When a pedophile rapes a little boy, God caused the pedophile to do the dirty deed?
When a drunk driver kills someone in a car wreck, God caused the drunk to kill them?

This is what the calvinists claim which is of course false teaching which is one of the many reasons why calvinists are heretics

A lot of people claiming to not be calvinists are clearly in agreement with calvinist heresy having been deceived by calvinist lies.

You'd have to ask a Calvinist those questions.

Meanwhile,scripture says we are born with a natural mind that is separated from God.
Which is why,as he tells us,we cannot understand the things of God .

God is everything he said he is in his word. One such proof is found in Isaiah 45.

 

[Behold]

Meanwhile,scripture says we are born with a natural mind that is separated from God.

Scripture also teaches that a Chirstian can be in their "natural" "carnal" "mind", and be "fallen from Grace", and "in the flesh".

Did you ever read GALATIANS?.
You should.

These people never can understand The Gospel......never, and they try to make it about water, or works or "doing righteousness" or keeping commandments or law........ect, ect.......anything and everthing except for God's Grace.
So, they ALL get lost inside some "doctrine of devils" that they believe is "the true gospel".....and the Devil has a lot of these up and running, including "LIMITED Atonement'......or, "God chooses some for Hell".

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Here is another discrepancy in the ACDS sufferers.

God's predestination of all things, no actual free will save for libertarian, I e what to eat,etc...

God proved,and said,he does whatever he wants.

Thinking it wrong God predestined his Elect to Salvation is scripture in the NT. It is also proven God saves and condemns at will. His.

Noah and family were saved. The rest of human life was drowned.

Lot and his family were saved. The rest of S&G were burned alive.

The first born in Egypt were saved if lambs blood was painted on the doorframe of their house . All other first born were killed.

God saves whom he will in the OT. But that's not true in the New?

Nonsense.