Amillennialism, What it is DESIGNED by the Devil To PRODUCE

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I agree. We are in a Revelation 20 now. When Jesus comes He will introduce the new having a new earth. Let Scripture interpret Scripture. It shows us that there are only two ages: this age and the age to come, time and eternity.
Christ shows us that satan must first be locked up BEFORE the Age to Come is established thru Christ = at the 7th Trump

Ask yourself = Are the kingdoms of this world under the Rule of Christ or satan?

Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.

Do not fear what you are about to suffer.
Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison to test you, and you will suffer tribulation for ten days.
Be faithful even unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.
 

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All Good Brother = AMEN on the Scriptures you posted
Jesus said complete restoration and final judgment will occur at his coming. See my previous post. You seem to believe that it won't. Why would you want to believe something that contradicts what he said?
Never forget that Revelation chapter 20 must be fulfilled BEFORE Revelation chapter 21
Absolutely agree.
New Heaven and the New Earth is created AFTER the literal 1,000 Year Reign of Christ
Not what Jesus said. He said at his future coming.

Paul, Peter etc understand Jesus to be saying that,

Paul-2thess 1

5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him]. 9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day

see 2Peter 3.
 

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Jesus said complete restoration and final judgment will occur at his coming. See my previous post. You seem to believe that it won't. Why would you want to believe something that contradicts what he said?

Absolutely agree.

Not what Jesus said. He said at his future coming.

Paul, Peter etc understand Jesus to be saying that,

Paul-2thess 1

5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him]. 9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day

see 2Peter 3.
His future Coming begins at His Return and Continues for a 1,000 Years as He Reigns on Earth

And to the one who overcomes and continues in My work until the end, I will give authority over the nations.
He will rule them with an iron scepter and shatter them like pottery —just as I have received authority from My Father.
And I will give him the morning star.

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Peter and Paul we can discuss as well = Good Night for now Brother
 

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Jesus said complete restoration and final judgment will occur at his coming. See my previous post. You seem to believe that it won't. Why would you want to believe something that contradicts what he said?

Absolutely agree.

Not what Jesus said. He said at his future coming.

Paul, Peter etc understand Jesus to be saying that,

Paul-2thess 1

5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him]. 9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day

see 2Peter 3.
SEE Post 61

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His future Coming begins at His Return and Continues for a 1,000 Years as He Reigns on Earth
Neither Jesus , Paul , Peter mention such a thing in those scriptures.
The door to salvation is shut at his second coming.

Matt 25
10 But while they were going away to buy oil, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut and locked. 11 Later the others also came, and said, ‘Lord, Lord, open [the door] for us.’ 12 But He replied, ‘I assure you and most solemnly say to you, I do not know you [we have no relationship].’ 13 Therefore, be on the alert [be prepared and ready], for you do not know the day nor the hour [when the Son of Man will come].


Jesus informs us that they are thrown into the fire when he comes, as the door is shut and locked. No wonder he stressed to us that we must be ready.


Matt 24
48 But if that servant is evil and says in his heart, ‘My master is taking his time [he will not return for a long while],’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards; 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour of which he is not aware, 51 and will cut him in two and put him with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping [over sorrow and pain] and grinding of teeth [over distress and anger].


With this truth in mind, should we teach that his coming is not the end ?? and another thousand years of opportunity will be the reward of those not ready.

Heaven and earth will pass away but never the words he has spoken.

Jn 12
47 If anyone hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge and condemn the world [that is, to initiate the final judgment of the world], but to save the world. 48 Whoever rejects Me and refuses to accept My teachings, has one who judges him; the very word that I spoke will judge and condemn him on the last day.
 
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Ever hear of the "New World Order" folks? Or "one world government"?

What about the Revelation 13:1 beast kingdom that comes up out of the "sea", that is to have ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns? You've heard of that for the end of this world, right?

Even though the false doctrine of Amillennialism began in the 2nd century A.D. when pagan Gnosticism began creeping into the Christian Church, that doesn't mean it is a Biblical doctrine just because of being that old. The pagan Gnostics still exist to this day, and they have not changed their plan for world takeover in prep for the one they... worship, Lucifer.

These people who follow today's Gnosticism are associated with the Occult secret societies. One can basically put all the pagan secret societies into one boat; they all worship Lucifer, even secret fraternities that have strong Christian memberships at their lower levels of what they call the Lesser Mysteries. The high level members know who they worship, the devil, and they are preparing the whole world for his coming to take reign over all this earth at the end.

That is why even the deceived on their doctrines of Amillennialism are so fervent in supporting it even when it goes directly against the written Bible Scriptures. It has been around so long that the deceived have gotten attached to it like a thick vine grown from a Jack and the Beanstalk type bean.

This is why Amillennialism tries to convince the gullible that the Revelation 20 "thousand years" about Christ's future reign isn't literal, but symbolic only; even though that "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect for the future AFTER His return is well defined in plenty of Bible Scriptures, including in the Old Testament prophets.

Those Gnostics behind the theory of Amillennialism want to destroy that "thousand years" reign by Christ Jesus. And don't be fooled brethren in Christ by those deceived brethren on that Amill doctrine that claim it is Biblical just because it goes back to the 2nd century A.D. That 'something is true because it is the oldest' ploy has been attempted with pushing newer Bible translations from older claimed Bible manuscripts too, when there is little actual proof. New and Improved doesn't work with God's Truth in His Word.

Think about the building of the first city by Cain in the "land of Nod" where Cain took his wife. The only most ancient creation account other than given Moses in the Book of Genesis is found in the Babylonian cuneiform clay tablets. And those tablets report of a history going back further with the ancient Sumerians in that area before it became known as Babylon.

I believe that is where Cain went to, and was the actual "land of Nod" mentioned in Genesis 4 where Cain built the very first city. Per the ancient Sumer history written in the tablets, that would fit the one they called Sargon I. Sargon was of Semitic origin per their history, and he began the very first IDOL worship of earth history. That is where ancient Baal worship began, in ancient Sumer. Why do I mention this?

It is because during the time of king David and his Solomon, with the building of the city of David, and Solomon's temple, pagan workers in stone and metals were gotten from king Hiram of Tyre, a pagan Phoenician that was friends with king David. The children of Israel did not have the expertise in stone and metal working, so David and Hiram traded workers. Other than the pagan Canaanites which Israel was not able to destroy per God's command, these workers from Tyre were pagans that also crept in among the children of Israel. And many of them became religious Jews that have been planted among the Jews for so long, that it is impossible to distinguish who they are today, and thus Christ's parable to the tares in Matthew 13.

One of the ideas that came out of ancient pagan Babylon was the so-called 'Mysteries', also known as 'mystery schools'. In ancient Babylon the priesthood there controlled entry in among them through initiation by certain rituals, and then a probationary period. Then the Mysteries would be revealed to them. What those Mysteries were and are about involve the Occult, things God told us to not mess with per His laws. Yet today's secret societies are still practicing all those ancient Mysteries from the devil.

Because the theory of Amillennialism converts certain Biblical texts meant literally instead as being symbolic, that is a concerted and vain attempt to change what God's Word actually teaches. That kind of movement of interpreting The Bible mostly as allegory was one of the problems the Christian school at Alexandria, Egypt had. Origen and Clement both got in trouble for it.

Amill says Christ's "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20 is only SYMBOLIC, and not LITERAL. Thus they also deny Old Testament Scripture like Zechariah 14 which is about Christ's future 2nd coming back to Jerusalem and His future reign with His elect over all nations, including the unsaved nations. They also deny references to Christ's future reign over the wicked as described by Apostle Paul. Amill instead wrongly believes that at Christ's future return, all the wicked are then immediately destroyed, and right then we go into God's new heavens and a new earth time. They simply skip any Bible reference of the wicked still existing after Christ's future return.

And then, Amill makes TODAY, our PRESENT DAY, special, in the sense that Lord Jesus is REIGNING NOW! and that His Kingdom has come today! And that even though all the wickedness is still going on in this world. It's a theory of a madman! But hey, it serves the Occultists well, because Lucifer has always wanted to be God, and worshiped in place of God. That was his original sin by the way, coveting God's Throne for himself, wanting to be God. No matter that Lucifer and his followers can setup a fake world kingdom with wickedness still going on in it.
Amill was designed (by the Lords own words) to reinforce and take seriously his command to be ready for his coming.

We must be ready when he comes because he is coming in full vengeance to eternally judge and separate the ungodly from those who are glorified ON THAT DAY. = God's righteous judgment.


5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].


The End
 

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Premill is designed not to reinforce the plea to be ready, by suggesting a thousand years of opportunity exist after his coming. The whole thing is absurd and ridiculous to me. You are guilty of what you accuse us of in that OP.
Fix your eyes on how Jesus explained these things to us, no need to add to it as he gave us the big picture.

Mk 13
21 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed)!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it; 22 for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will provide signs and wonders in order to deceive, if [such a thing were] possible, even the elect [those God has chosen for Himself]. 23 But be on your guard; I have told you everything in advance.
 
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Christ shows us that satan must first be locked up BEFORE the Age to Come is established thru Christ = at the 7th Trump

Ask yourself = Are the kingdoms of this world under the Rule of Christ or satan?

Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.

Do not fear what you are about to suffer.
Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison to test you, and you will suffer tribulation for ten days.
Be faithful even unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.
Yes, they are. You want me to answer your questions, but you duck around mine.
  1. Do you believe that Jesus currently possesses “All power [Gr. exousia or authority] … in heaven and in earth” (Matthew 28:18)?
  2. Do you believe that “All things that the Father hath are” Christ’s (John 16:15)?
  3. Do you believe that the Father has indeed given Jesus “power over all flesh” (John 17:2)?
  4. Do you believe that “All things are delivered” unto Jesus of His “Father” (Matthew 11:27 and that He has “given all things into his (Christ’s) hand” (John 3:35 and John 13:3)?
  5. Do you believe that the Father has given Jesus “authority to execute judgment … because he is the Son of man” (John 5:26-27)?
  6. Do you believe that the Father has given Jesus “authority to execute judgment … because he is the Son of man” (John 5:26-27)?
  7. Do you believe that Christ “is the head of all principality and power” (Colossians 2:10)?
  8. Do you believe that “angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him” (1 Peter 3:22 says)?
  9. Do you believe that Christ is indeed "the archon (or ruler) of the kings of the earth" (Revelation 1:5)?
  10. When does Christ reign? After His enemies are subdued or until His enemies are subdued (1 Corinthians 15:25-28)?
  11. 1 Corinthians 15:25-28 and Ephesians 1:20-23 tells us that Christ “hath put (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet” and Hebrews 1:8 tells us that “thou hast put all things in subjection’ (aorist active indicative) under his feet.” How could anyone therefore deny He is sovereignly reigning over His enemies now? How could anyone then relate this fulfilment to an alleged future age after the second coming?
  12. Do you believe that Christ has become "the ruler of God’s creation" (Revelation 3:14)?
  13. Do you believe that Jesus has already "spoiled principalities and powers ... made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it (the cross)" (Colossians 2:15)?
  14. Do you believe that Christ currently “openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth" (Revelation 3:7)?
 

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His future Coming begins at His Return and Continues for a 1,000 Years as He Reigns on Earth

And to the one who overcomes and continues in My work until the end, I will give authority over the nations.
He will rule them with an iron scepter and shatter them like pottery —just as I have received authority from My Father.
And I will give him the morning star.


He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Peter and Paul we can discuss as well = Good Night for now Brother
You have zero support for your position. That is why you avoid all the simple questions.
  1. Where else in Scripture is a thousand years mentioned after the second coming?
  2. Where in Scripture (including Rev 20) is Jesus shown to be on a millennial earth?
  3. Where else in Scripture is the binding of Satan?
  4. Where else in Scripture are the 2 future resurrections?
  5. Where else in Scripture are the 2 future judgments?
  6. Where else in Scripture is the release of Satan and an unparalleled global uprising 1,000 years after the second coming?
 
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LOL. Please do not lecture us about common sense. This is all noise.

If you can see no change in the spiritual condition of "the nations" (ethnos) before the cross and after the cross then you are actually the one that is deceived. Revelation 20 shows the defeat of Satan (2000 ago) and his spiritual restraint that facilitated the enlightenment of the Gentiles through the great commission. They are now without excuse.
  • During the Old Testament era, God controlled one single nation, whereas Satan controlled the nations (ethnos - the Gentiles) plural. The Gentiles were overwhelming lost, blind, bound by chains of sin, sitting in darkness, ignorant of the truth, and without hope.
  • God promised to enlighten the Gentile nations with His truth and remove the former deception that hung over the Gentiles as a general group through the preaching of the glorious Gospel of Christ.
  • The darkness that once enveloped the Gentiles has now been lifted. A light has been shining bright for 2000 years.
  • Scripture repeatedly contrasts the wholesale darkness that cloaked the Gentiles in the Old Testament to the widespread evangelism of the New Testament era which saw the Gospel invade all nations and set countless millions free.

IOW, you can't logically explain these meant in Revelation 20:8 per your view. But you sure make a big fuss about these in verse 8 when it comes to Premil, though. Why is that, when you yourself can't even logically explain these in verse 8 per your view? The question is, what are these billions doing during your millennium so that the rest of us, including ppl who read these posts but don't post themselves, can try and understand why they do what they do after your millennium if they are already being deceived during your millennium?

If they are being deceived during your millennium, billions of them, why do they need to wait until after your millennium for satan to deceive them? lol. As if it makes sense, that they are being deceived during your millennium, billions of them, and that they have to wait until after your millennium to be deceived. Rather than it being one or the other, Amils have it being both. Yet another fine example of how Amil contradicts Scripture, not agrees with it.

The readers of this thread are not blind. They can see Amil makes zero sense if billions are being deceived during their millennium, and that these same billions are also being deceived after your millennium. Therefore, there is zero difference between during your millennium and after your millennium, in regards to these meant in verse 8. No wonder you only want to focus on Premil's millennium, in regards to verse 8, so that way you can try and take the focus off of your millennium, in regards to these billions meant in verse 8.

You obviously can't logically explain why these billions are being deceived both during and after your millennium since you know it contradicts the text. Instead of dealing with the contradictions, let's just attack Premils millennium. That way maybe the readers won't notice the flaws in the Amil millennium, in regards to these billions meant in verse 8 in Revelation 20. IOW, one of the oldest tricks in the book.
 
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IOW, you can't logically explain these meant in Revelation 20:8 per your view. But you sure make a big fuss about these in verse 8 when it comes to Premil, though. Why is that, when you yourself can't even logically explain these in verse 8 per your view? The question is, what are these billions doing during your millennium so that the rest of us, including ppl who read these posts but don't post themselves, can try and understand why they do what they do after your millennium if they are already being deceived during your millennium?

If they are being deceived during your millennium, billions of them, why do they need to wait until after your millennium for satan to deceive them? lol. As if it makes sense, that they are being deceived during your millennium, billions of them, and that they have to wait until after your millennium to be deceived. Rather than it being one or the other, Amils have it being both. Yet another fine example of how Amil contradicts Scripture, not agrees with it.

The readers of this thread are not blind. They can see Amil makes zero sense if billions are being deceived during their millennium, and that these same billions are also being deceived after your millennium. Therefore, there is zero difference between during your millennium and after your millennium, in regards to these meant in verse 8. No wonder you only want to focus on Premil's millennium, in regards to verse 8, so that way you can try and take the focus off of your millennium, in regards to these billions meant in verse 8.

You obviously can't logically explain why these billions are being deceived both during and after your millennium since you know it contradicts the text. Instead of dealing with the contradictions, let's just attack Premils millennium. That way maybe the readers won't notice the flaws in the Amil millennium, in regards to these billions meant in verse 8 in Revelation 20. IOW, one of the oldest tricks in the book.
You can act dumb if you want. But you know exactly what Amillennialists believe. Revelation 20:3 is making a general statement in regard to the enlightenment of the Gentiles. It is talking about the Gospel going out to the nations after the first resurrection - that of Christ.

1 John 2:8: the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.”

A result of the first Advent and the life, death and first resurrection of Jesus was that the ignorance was removed, the Gospel opportunity was widened out to the Gentiles. They no longer sat in darkness, ignorance and hopelessness deceived by the devil in their paganism.

Does this passage suggest there is no more darkness in this world any longer? Does this mean everyone is now enlightened? Of course not! This is a spiritual generality. This is common in Scripture. It is demonstrating the powerful result of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. This is testifying of the massive change that occurred with the global assault upon the kingdom of darkness. This is showing the impact of the success of the great commission. Men throughout the nations are now without excuse. The truth has been spread to the uttermost parts of the earth. This is saying the exact same as Revelation 20:2.

Just because most don't believe doesn't mean the blindfold of ignorance has not been removed with the global preaching of the Gospel. Just because you and I are enlightened doesn't mean sin doesn't exist within us. Your reasoning therefore doesn't add up.

Satan can no longer prevent the Gospel light going out to the nations. The Gentiles have therefore no excuse. They who were once “without God in the world” before the cross can now be “made nigh by the blood of Christ” (Eph 2:11-12). The cross has made the difference for the nations. It was the turning point for the heathen nations. They have now seen the light. What they do with that light is, of course, up to them. But God has opened a way of access to all nations without favour. They are no longer deceived as to the way.

It is basically saying: the Gentiles are without excuse since the cross. Like Israel throughout the Old Testament, they have been availed an incredible opportunity to enter into the covenant with the Lord on the same basis as any Jew.
 
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You can act dumb if you want. But you know exactly what Amillennialists believe. Revelation 20:3 is making a general statement in regard to the enlightenment of the Gentiles. It is talking about the Gospel going out to the nations after the first resurrection - that of Christ.

1 John 2:8: the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.”

A result of the first Advent and the life, death and first resurrection of Jesus was that the ignorance was removed, the Gospel opportunity was widened out to the Gentiles. They no longer sat in darkness, ignorance and hopelessness deceived by the devil in their paganism.

Does this passage suggest there is no more darkness in this world any longer? Does this mean everyone is now enlightened? Of course not! This is a spiritual generality. This is common in Scripture. It is demonstrating the powerful result of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. This is testifying of the massive change that occurred with the global assault upon the kingdom of darkness. This is showing the impact of the success of the great commission. Men throughout the nations are now without excuse. The truth has been spread to the uttermost parts of the earth. This is saying the exact same as Revelation 20:2.

Just because most don't believe doesn't mean the blindfold of ignorance has not been removed with the global preaching of the Gospel. Just because you and I are enlightened doesn't mean sin doesn't exist within us. Your reasoning therefore doesn't add up.

Satan can no longer prevent the Gospel light going out to the nations. The Gentiles have therefore no excuse. They who were once “without God in the world” before the cross can now be “made nigh by the blood of Christ” (Eph 2:11-12). The cross has made the difference for the nations. It was the turning point for the heathen nations. They have now seen the light. What they do with that light is, of course, up to them. But God has opened a way of access to all nations without favour. They are no longer deceived as to the way.

It is basically saying: the Gentiles are without excuse since the cross. Like Israel throughout the Old Testament, they have been availed an incredible opportunity to enter into the covenant with the Lord on the same basis as any Jew.
Still avoiding I see. Not one thing that you said here here even remotely addresses what I brought up in regards to Revelation 20:8 and what their role is during the millennium, billions of them. What's in question, not what these in verse 8 are doing after the millennium, but what are they doing during the millennium. billions of them? And how, per Amil, what they are doing during the millennium is different from what they are doing after the millennium. To some of us, per Amil, it looks like what they are doing during the millennium is exactly what they are doing after the millennium, and that is, being deceived.

On a different note since it is obvious to the readers you are going to continue to avoid the contradiction with verse 8 and that of the millennium, there is this to consider then.

Granted, in general, one can be deceived about one thing but not deceived about another thing, and that someone can then try and deceive them about this other thing as well. But that doesn't apply to Revelation 20, though. The fact satan doesn't deceive the nations again until he is loosed from his prison. These nations meaning the billions meant in verse 8. Not billions of nations, but billions of people who these nations combined consist of. IOW, a global assault by these nations.

Nations are still meaning countries, yet, the number that is as the sand of the sea, it is obviously meaning all the ones combined that reside in these nations. IOW, there is zero reason to take nations in Revelation 20 to be meaning individuals. It is meaning countries, and it is meaning all of those in all these different countries combined, that together their numbers are as the sand of the sea. And that logic says that none of these billions are deceived during the millennium, if it is not until after the millennium that they are deceived. And guess what? Some countries consist of both Jew and Gentile, except Amil only wants the book of Revelation, in regards to nations in ch 20, to only be about individual Gentiles. Who cares about any Jews, right? God quit saving them as well, ages ago, right? After all, per Amil theology, Revelation 20, in regards to nations, don't also involve Jews, it excludes them. Except Amils can't have the millennium only involving the salvation of the Gentiles when they know full well Jews can be saved as well. Yet they ignore that fact when it comes to their interpretation of Revelation 20.

IOW, per Amil, verse 8 in Revelation 20 is only meaning Gentiles. None of them are Jews. That is if they are being consistent throughout. What then happens to any unbelieving Jews then, per Amil, in regards to verse 8, if verse 8 is only meaning Gentiles, and not any Jews as well? But Amils theology, pertaining to the millennium, excludes Jews. Nations in Revelation 20 are only meaning Gentiles and are not also meaning Jews, per Amil's theology.
 
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This type of thinking is what diverts you away from the words of Christ.

Adam and Methuselah could NEVER attain unto the 1,000 literal years because of SIN.

God will not allow the contamination of sin into His House = all have sinned and therefore all die

Hebrews 9:27

Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
28so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
You have failed to provide any scriptural evidence that Adam's age has anything to do with a supposed future earthly millennial kingdom. You have no clear scripture to support your doctrine.
 

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Still avoiding I see. Not one thing that you said here here even remotely addresses what I brought up in regards to Revelation 20:8 and what their role is during the millennium, billions of them. What's in question, not what these in verse 8 are doing after the millennium, but what are they doing during the millennium. billions of them? And how, per Amil, what they are doing during the millennium is different from what they are doing after the millennium. To some of us, per Amil, it looks like what they are doing during the millennium is exactly what they are doing after the millennium, and that is, being deceived.

On a different note since it is obvious to the readers you are going to continue to avoid the contradiction with verse 8 and that of the millennium, there is this to consider then.

Granted, in general, one can be deceived about one thing but not deceived about another thing, and that someone can then try and deceive them about this other thing as well. But that doesn't apply to Revelation 20, though. The fact satan doesn't deceive the nations again until he is loosed from his prison. These nations meaning the billions meant in verse 8. Not billions of nations, but billions of people who these nations combined consist of. IOW, a global assault by these nations.

Nations are still meaning countries, yet, the number that is as the sand of the sea, it is obviously meaning all the ones combined that reside in these nations. IOW, there is zero reason to take nations in Revelation 20 to be meaning individuals. It is meaning countries, and it is meaning all of those in all these different countries combined, that together their numbers are as the sand of the sea. And that logic says that none of these billions are deceived during the millennium, if it is not until after the millennium that they are deceived. And guess what? Some countries consist of both Jew and Gentile, except Amil only wants the book of Revelation, in regards to nations in ch 20, to only be about individual Gentiles. Who cares about any Jews, right? God quit saving them as well, ages ago, right? After all, per Amil theology, Revelation 20, in regards to nations, don't also involve Jews, it excludes them. Except Amils can't have the millennium only involving the salvation of the Gentiles when they know full well Jews can be saved as well. Yet they ignore that fact when it comes to their interpretation of Revelation 20.

IOW, per Amil, verse 8 in Revelation 20 is only meaning Gentiles. None of them are Jews. That is if they are being consistent throughout. What then happens to any unbelieving Jews then, per Amil, in regards to verse 8, if verse 8 is only meaning Gentiles, and not any Jews as well? But Amils theology, pertaining to the millennium, excludes Jews. Nations in Revelation 20 are only meaning Gentiles and are not also meaning Jews, per Amil's theology.
Not so! The only contradictions are those invented in your own head. You don't want to know the Amil position. That is because it makes sense to those who have eyes to see.

Amils believe the First Advent secured the spiritual binding of Satan, preventing him from curtailing the enlightenment of the nations and the great commission. At the end, he will be released to surround the saints, persecute them and curtail the great commission. This is the last throw of Satan, and the final tribultaion before Jesus comes.

Revelation 20:2 is a generality! Scripture repeatedly does that! The Gentiles were wholesale deceived before the cross, now they are not. The light has shone. They are now without excuse.

This did not mean that the Gentiles could not move about, do evil or that they were physically locked up, it just meant that they were spiritually curtailed.
 

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BELIEVE His words = Rev chapter 20 BEFORE chapter 21
a.) satan locked up for 1,000 years
b.) First Resurrection = 1 Corinthians chapter 15
c.) Rule and reign with Christ for 1,000 years
d.) satan loosed
e.) FINAL JUDGMENT upon satan
f.) FINAL JUDGMENT upon the unsaved/un-redeemed
God creates the New Earth for New Jerusalem to come down and Rest Upon

Big problems arise when we misunderstand these words of Christ
You understand that Amills believe that what is described in Revelation 20 occurs BEFORE what is described in Revelation 21, don't you? Or are you yet another Premill who has no idea what Amills actually believe?
 

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Obviously, they can't be meaning the rest of the dead in that case. The rest of the dead don't live again until the thousand years expire. These in verse 8 are never among the rest of the dead to begin with if they are among the living in verse 8, which means they are alive, not dead, during the millennium, obviously.
No one is saying that those described in verse 8 are the rest of the dead, so why are you once again wasting your time making a straw man argument? It seems that straw man arguments are the only type of arguments you ever make.

I already know what these in verse 8 do after the millennium. What I want to know is what they are doing during your millennium, billions of them? Are they being deceived during your millennium? Or are they among the saved during your millennium, thus not being deceived during the millennium? Per Amil,in regards to these billions meant in verse 8, apparently there is zero difference between during the millennium and after the millennium, if these billions are being deceived during both eras of time.
LOL. You speak nothing but nonsense. To try to claim that Amills see "zero difference between during the millennium and after the millennium" shows that you have no idea of what we believe. You need to stop trying to comment on Amillennialism because you don't understand at all. Not one bit.

That's Amil for you in a nutshell.
LOL. This is foolish. No, that's your false understanding of Amil in a nutshell. This is you making a fool of yourself yet again by blatantly misrepresenting Amil. You have no shame about it. It's pathetic. You can't refute Amil, so you resort to misrepresenting it instead. You can refute a made up version of Amil, but you can't refute what we actually believe.

There is no difference between satan being bound and satan being loosed. There is no difference between during the millennium and after the millenium. These meant in verse 8 are being deceived during both. Per Amil John is basically a liar in Revelation 20 since he indicates no nations can be deceived during the thousand years, and that no nations can once again be deceived until satan is loosed from his prison first.
More foolishness from you. You don't address what Amils actually believe. Nothing you're saying about Amil in this post is true. You can't be taken seriously. Your straw man arguments are a complete joke and a complete waste of your time. No one has wasted more time making foolish straw man arguments than you have.

The Amil view contradicts all of that. It doesn't matter what Amil believes or doesn't believe.
It does matter what we believe, but you clearly don't know what we believe. You are an embarrassment. You misrepresent Amil with every word. It's utterly ridiculous.

What matters is, what John said and what John meant. That's what we have to go by. John said that satan is bound a thousand years so that the nations can no longer be deceived. But not indefinately since he also said, after that satan must be loosed a little season. And we plainly know why once we read verses 7-9. It is so that he can once again do what he was doing before the thousand years, that he is unable to do during the thousand years, that being, deceiving the nations again. But Amils would have us believe that truth isn't based on truth, it is based on contradictions. The more contradictions involved, the more true it is.
Let us know if you ever want to address what Amils actually believe instead of this made up version of Amil that you waste your time arguing against.

I'm trying to use some common sense here.
LOL! There is no common sense in anything you're saying because all you're doing is misrepresenting Amil. If by "common sense" you mean "total nonsense" then I agree that is what you are using.

But are Amils as well? I don't see how if they think that it is reasonable that contradictions equal the truth.
These supposed contradictions come from your imagination. We absolutely do not claim that there is no difference between Satan being bound and Satan being loosed. We have showed the difference in detail many times and you just ignore that and instead blatantly lie about what we believe. You have no shame. You have no conscience. Your arguments are a complete joke.
 
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This type of thinking is what diverts you away from the words of Christ.

Adam and Methuselah could NEVER attain unto the 1,000 literal years because of SIN.

God will not allow the contamination of sin into His House = all have sinned and therefore all die

Hebrews 9:27

Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
28so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
But your imaginary future millennium is overrun by billions of sinful wicked - as the sand of the sea. So what is your point?
 

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But your imaginary future millennium is overrun by billions of sinful wicked - as the sand of the sea. So what is your point?
Premills have no point. Look at their arguments. Nothing more than a complete joke. They make things up to support Premill and misrepresent Amill repeatedly. It seems impossible to get them to actually address our points and answer our questions. We see that over and over again.
 

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Premills have no point. Look at their arguments. Nothing more than a complete joke. They make things up to support Premill and misrepresent Amill repeatedly. It seems impossible to get them to actually address our points and answer our questions. We see that over and over again.
It is a joke! There is simply no biblical corroboration for their faulty opinion of Revelation 20. That is why they keep invent these ridiculous theories.
 
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It is a joke! There is simply no biblical corroboration for their fault the opinion of Revelation 20. That is why they keep invent these ridiculous theories.
Their theories get more and more ridiculous because of their desperation to find something that can support their weak doctrine. They clearly can't address any of our points or answer any of our questions. Any time they try to address something, they just make straw man arguments that address a version of Amil that they make up in their heads.