Exactly! You have nothing. That is all we are getting on this thread: man's opinions. It amounts to nothing.
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Show us your biblical support for a rapture of the Church followed by a 7-yr tribulation period followed by 3rd coming?
The Light
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LOL. I have the Word of God which I have already posted. You can't even figure the Church is raptured before the great tribulation. How could you possibly understand any scriptures I posted?
I'm not going to spend time looking up a bunch of scriptures for a long list you have laid out.
We've been down this road before, and I understand your tactics. Next comes you going off the rails in a blind rant making a dozen posts and then claiming that you are being dodged and not answered. Even if I answered every post your claim would be you were not answered. Point is, it doesn't matter what I do, your tactics are always the same.
If you have one question, post it and I will answer it.
Big Boy Johnson
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They'll ask "if you actually had scriptures to disprove my viewpoint, why won't you post them"
LOL. You have proved none of this. That is why you cannot answer the questions present it. You have no Scriptures to prove this, that is why your silence is deafening.
- Show me New Testament Scripture that teaches that “there are two harvests? The grain harvest and the fruit harvest”?
The Light
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Big Boy Johnson
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The Light
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It is really one question: show me New Testament Scripture that teaches that “there are two harvests - the grain harvest and the fruit harvest”?
The Light
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I don't have a pretrib rapture that I can show you. I can show you God's pretrib rapture.
Song of Solomon 2
8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.
9 My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.
10 My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.
11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;
12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;
13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.
14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.
This does not answer the question. This is ridiculous! This is talking about Solomon and his wife.
You have obviously nothing. You seem to make it up as you go. No Scripture is safe with your ad-hoc mode of interpretation.
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The Light
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1 Thessalonians 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Corinthians 15
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Luke 17
26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Acts 20
16 For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.
Acts 2
2 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
These are all talking about the one and only future coming of Christ (apart from one relating to Pentecost). Where does the Bible teach they're going to be two future harvest? Show me New Testament Scripture that teaches that “there are two harvests - the grain harvest and the fruit harvest”?
Spiritual Israelite
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You blatantly contradict what Paul taught. He very clearly indicated that the mass falling away from the faith and revealing of the man of sin must happen first before our gathering to Christ at His second coming.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Spiritual Israelite
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Don't just post scripture without telling us where you are seeing two harvests (grain harvest and fruit harvest) there. Exegete the text and show us how exactly you are concluding that those texts teach two harvests.
Anyone can just post scripture and make claims about it. That is not enough. You need to show how exactly you are coming to your conclusions.
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Spiritual Israelite
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Are you admitting that you just made a claim without being an authority on the topic and without doing much research to confirm it?
Bro, he started a thread claiming something as a fact, that he had never researched.
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