Was judas Iscariot used by Satan ??

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Not read the entire thread, but yes, Satan, a celestial fallen creature, not a human, is the accuser of God's people

Revelation 12

Satan Thrown Out of Heaven​

7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they [a]did not prevail, nor was a place found for [b]them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
@David Lamb notice how the novice goes straight for the Revelation to prove their creature?

Credit goes to you for not doing so!

But the ignorance continues...
 

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I believe everyone in Scripture understood the serpent in the same way Paul did in 2 Corinthians 11:3: “But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.”

And this lines up with what we read in Genesis 3:1 (ESV): “Now the serpent was more crafty (cunning) than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, ‘Did God actually say, “You shall not eat of any tree in the garden”?’

Not difficult to interpret if you are remove the imaginations of pagan philopsphers from your head!

All the cunning animal did was introduce the thinking of the flesh to Eve and she took possession of it and awaken those latent desires in her own body.

Paul understood the truth!
Satan and the serpent, fit the story of the temptation, which you pretty much have denied there was any supernatural warfare occurring.
I see you are arguing Satan is an imaginary being.

If there is no Satan, are there no holy angels either?
Or fallen angels?
Who then is this devil?

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

Murderer from the beginning, the devil murdered the spiritual life of Adam and Eve in the beginning.
Are you going to deny the fall in Eden also?
If there was no fall which is a punishment of death in hell for disobedience, then there is no need for a savior either.

Matthew 25:40-42
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40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;

And who is this prince of the power of the air?

Ephesians 2
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2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the [a]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
 
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How do you see this working with Pharoah? Did God manipulate his conception? Or is this merely God foreknowing all Pharoah's?
I separated this out because it’s a complicated question. It can’t be answered in a post really. It’s an overall thought where, for example, how you arrived at your view of pharaoh(s). How you arrived there …I also have arrived at how I view pharaoh(s).

What conception are we talking about? pharaohs time in a literal woman’s womb where an infant is formed? Or Pharaoh’s time in the womb of the world and Pharaoh’s mind and ways being conformed unto this world? To me there is a difference. For example when Paul speaks of when the time come that God separated Paul from his mothers womb. I seriously think that separation is Paul being separated from the bond woman’s womb, his being separated from the bondage of death. Jeremiah 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.

You asked “or is this merely God foreknowing all Pharaoh’s?” I think God knows the flesh mind well. Why does God allow this mind and its ways first? I am persuaded God knows Better than any physician or physiologist or counselor. God knows its weakness. How the flesh is not willing. When the word says Pharaoh was raised up for this purpose Exodus 9:15-17 For by now I could have put out my hand and struck you and your people with pestilence, and you would have been cut off from the earth. [16] But for this purpose I have raised you up, to show you my power, so that my name may be proclaimed in all the earth. [17] You are still exalting yourself against my people and will not let them go.
^that last part is an ongoing sickness seen even today(Imo). “You are still exalting yourself against my people and will not let them go.”

What is sobering is the ongoing battle where if we do not stay awake, we are the ones exalting ourselves against God’s people and will not let them go. For example when Paul spoke of a weak brother who was without knowledge. What I hear Paul warn is if he exalts himself by using all the knowledge of Christ given unto him of the Father to destroy those without any knowledge for whom Christ died …then Paul does no more than the Pharaoh’s by exalting himself. Exalting himself as even the pagans do whom only love those who love them. Those who only bless those who bless them. That is the way of the carnal mind. So scary and yes…it does make me have reverence for God…that the lesser mind, the earthly mind which only seeks earthly things, those ways of our own which are lower than God’s ways …those ways and that mind deceives us. Do we even know when our heart is hardened to think we are more than we are, as being above others? Are we those that will not let another for whom Christ died go free? Personally I am persuaded God knows this mind of bondage and death better than we do. It all fits (Imo) with we have this treasure in a weaker vessel so that the power be of God and not men.

Speaking of strong meat…and not yet able to bear it. We say “not able to bear it” pertains to not being able to bear the correct theology, the right knowledge but …pay attention to that and ask does it exalt itself? Consider how boastful it is to go against those who are without the knowledge of Christ, where His word says not all have this knowledge. and is thought in mind focused on earthly things is I’ve obtained great knowledge and wealth in Christ which you aren’t able to bear yet. See it reversed…where the one claiming such great knowledge is the one who ought to support the one who is weak and without knowledge. If they can’t support the one who is without knowledge and weak, then are they not the one who can not bear it yet?

<Romans 15:1-3 Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength, and not just please ourselves. [2] Each of us is to please his neighbor for his good, to his edification. [3] For even Christ did not please Himself, but as it is written: “The taunts of those who taunt You have fallen on Me.”

We speak of discernment of good and evil. This may be harsh but what if my discernment is this. What if a red flag for me is this. What is behind proving Judas as the ultimate betrayer? What if it’s to exalt ourselves as we have never been a Judas. I can’t explain it but what if I’m hesitant because all this slamming of Judas just empowers others with the mindset of they are superior to Judas. Same as this chosen of God theology. If it gives birth to a superficial group where God is only for them …then have they misused His mercy and Grace and forgiveness? You suggest if I understand correctly… it comes down to discernment of good and evil. I live in the world too and nothing deceives more than being proud of one’s status even if they use God to elevate their status. Should we not discern also what spirit it is of that elevates itself? The temptation of mankind to make it all about us. Is Judas used to elevate a mind of “at least I’m not Judas!”
 
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The temptation of mankind to make it all about us. Is Judas used to elevate a mind of “at least I’m not Judas!”
Do I think God would use Judas to stop every mouth from boasting in self. To bring down every high lofty opinion, taking all things captive unto the mind of the Lord. Yes, I think so. Ask any one which disciple of Jesus they admire the most, which one would they choose with their free will to be as…none will say Judas. Zero. What would Jesus do?
 

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Again, because God forekows us He called us etc...
I’m confused what your definition of “foreknowledge” is. At first I wondered it you define it as God knew us (those who choose right) before we were born.

But then you said “How do you see this working with Pharaoh? Did God manipulate his conception? Or is this merely God foreknowing all Pharoah's?”.

Which leads me to think you believe God foreknows not only those “chosen” but also God foreknows “all Pharaoh’s.”

Do you mean God knew ahead of time what choice each of us would make? And those who would harden their hearts and be impossible for God to persuade? That assumes any can make the right choice without being born anew of God.

there is no difference between God’s foreknowledge of the Pharaoh’s and God’s foreknowledge of the chosen …except For when (God foresaw) we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. [7] For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. [8] But God commends his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:6-8

Notice the above and consider the theology that claims God pre-adventured there was some good in us, some ability titled under “free will” for us to rightfully use “it” our free will to make the right choice. That totally diminishes that some would die for a good man…God commends his love towards us. this one profound difference in God and men, do we want to take away how for a good man some would die… yet God while He foresaw while we were yet sinners(His foreseeing we were without strength), our not having been born anew yet…not born of God yet…that foundation not laid in Christ yet…that foundation laid before we were even born. When was the foundation laid? That foundation No Man can lay except God: reconsider His foreknowledge of us before the foundation of the world without end.

Are you suggesting that God doesn’t allow for reasoning and that everything is so rigidly preordained there's no room for change? What if, in His foreknowledge, He chose to alter His course, perhaps in response to persistent prayer? The Kingdom of God can be hastened through such prayer. And even though God knows the exact second, do you really believe that moment can’t be moved forward or delayed? God may know the hour, but that doesn’t mean He refuses to engage and work with His creation.
Sure. But as the good Father, does it end with God Will be done, or a child’s? Point is we can reason a lot and call it our will of influencing God, but in the end God remains steady and sure and never changing with His plan. But sure what Father doesn’t want Him and His child to come together and be of the same mind and of the same will? To be of the same Will and of the same Mind is to be of born of God’s Will and God’s Mind. I think we are stuck with having fathers after the flesh who disciples us after their own pleasure. Yet God for our profit that we may share in His Holiness. Is God unfair for it to be not our will but His Will be done?
Ah the struggle! I think God chooses those who are his but they choose also! Must balance the ledger!
When I suggested it’s a stumbling block I meant the biggest offense is the questions regarding does God override our free will. We desire at least to hold onto a little bit of free will. But what if we are deceived where what we call free will is already set in stone, and it’s not free. The price being death.
I wouldn’t use the word “gentleman” to describe Him, His sovereignty and holiness are far beyond our comprehension.
sorry, that is only the word I’ve heard used most often in regards toGod wouldn’t be a gentleman if he doesn’t allow some small remaining part of our free will. Forgetting God wants to save us from our free will which isn’t free at all but enslaved and subjected to the bondage of death.
All will be revealed in the Day of the Lord - for now it is difficult for most to simple trust.
Agree.
Though Jesus did all he could to dissuade him from going through with it, this clearly points to the presence of free will. When the conception of sin took root in Judas when that adversarial thought entered his mind and he chose to act on it, his fate was sealed.
No it doesn’t point to the presence of free will…it points to the bondage of death of our own ways and our own thoughts which we take an offense even though those ways and those thoughts are lower than God’s ways and thoughts.
The record is as clear as any could be regarding the fate of a wayward life, he followed the path of Cain, as many others have done.
Like all have done. Help us Lord!?
 
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Though Jesus did all he could to dissuade him from going through with it, this clearly points to the presence of free will. When the conception of sin took root in Judas when that adversarial thought entered his mind and he chose to act on it, his fate was sealed.
Last one but I’m truly stumped at how Jesus did all he could to dissuade Judas from going through with it, this clearly points to the presence of free will.

First that suggests Jesus went to men to dissuade Judas. He didn’t fail to dissuade Judas, instead Jesus asked His Father to remove the cup if it were possible, but surrendered not to mens free will be done instead “not my will, but Father Your Will be done.”

How can we say Judas strength, his heart hardened to the point of God’s not being able to enter in? When the Word teaches to endure the hard ground like a good soldier of Christ, who watering in through the veil, that is to say through the flesh, He is able to enter in through the veil?
 
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Satan and the serpent, fit the story of the temptation, which you pretty much have denied there was any supernatural warfare occurring.
I see you are arguing Satan is an imaginary being.

If there is no Satan, are there no holy angels either?
Or fallen angels?
Who then is this devil?

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

Murderer from the beginning, the devil murdered the spiritual life of Adam and Eve in the beginning.
Are you going to deny the fall in Eden also?
If there was no fall which is a punishment of death in hell for disobedience, then there is no need for a savior either.

Matthew 25:40-42
New King James Version
40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;

And who is this prince of the power of the air?

Ephesians 2
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2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the [a]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
No, let me help you.

What sinned from the beginning?
What was a murderer from the beginning?

Look for the teaching on these two questions and you will find what was in the Lords mind.
 

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Last one but I’m truly stumped at how Jesus did all he could to dissuade Judas from going through with it, this clearly points to the presence of free will.

First that suggests Jesus went to men to dissuade Judas. He didn’t fail to dissuade Judas, instead Jesus asked His Father to remove the cup if it were possible, but surrendered not to mens free will be done instead “not my will, but Father Your Will be done.”

How can we say Judas strength, his heart hardened to the point of God’s not being able to enter in? When the Word teaches to endure the hard ground like a good soldier of Christ, who watering in through the veil, that is to say through the flesh, He is able to enter in through the veil?
Only one of the four grounds produced fruits to His Glory...Judas revealed his ground was the hard well-trodden down soil where the seed cannot enter.
 
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Do I think God would use Judas to stop every mouth from boasting in self. To bring down every high lofty opinion, taking all things captive unto the mind of the Lord. Yes, I think so. Ask any one which disciple of Jesus they admire the most, which one would they choose with their free will to be as…none will say Judas. Zero. What would Jesus do?
Jesus extended his hand but he left the table and went out. He made another decision like Cain to go out from the Lord - these men cannot be redeemed.
 
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How can we say Judas strength, his heart hardened to the point of God’s not being able to enter in? When the Word teaches to endure the hard ground like a good soldier of Christ, who watering in through the veil, that is to say through the flesh, He is able to enter in through the veil?
Paul speaks of a reprobate mind one which is bent on doing evil...that mind will not be entered!
 
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I separated this out because it’s a complicated question. It can’t be answered in a post really. It’s an overall thought where, for example, how you arrived at your view of pharaoh(s). How you arrived there …I also have arrived at how I view pharaoh(s).

What conception are we talking about? pharaohs time in a literal woman’s womb where an infant is formed? Or Pharaoh’s time in the womb of the world and Pharaoh’s mind and ways being conformed unto this world? To me there is a difference. For example when Paul speaks of when the time come that God separated Paul from his mothers womb. I seriously think that separation is Paul being separated from the bond woman’s womb, his being separated from the bondage of death. Jeremiah 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.

You asked “or is this merely God foreknowing all Pharaoh’s?” I think God knows the flesh mind well. Why does God allow this mind and its ways first? I am persuaded God knows Better than any physician or physiologist or counselor. God knows its weakness. How the flesh is not willing. When the word says Pharaoh was raised up for this purpose Exodus 9:15-17 For by now I could have put out my hand and struck you and your people with pestilence, and you would have been cut off from the earth. [16] But for this purpose I have raised you up, to show you my power, so that my name may be proclaimed in all the earth. [17] You are still exalting yourself against my people and will not let them go.
^that last part is an ongoing sickness seen even today(Imo). “You are still exalting yourself against my people and will not let them go.”

What is sobering is the ongoing battle where if we do not stay awake, we are the ones exalting ourselves against God’s people and will not let them go. For example when Paul spoke of a weak brother who was without knowledge. What I hear Paul warn is if he exalts himself by using all the knowledge of Christ given unto him of the Father to destroy those without any knowledge for whom Christ died …then Paul does no more than the Pharaoh’s by exalting himself. Exalting himself as even the pagans do whom only love those who love them. Those who only bless those who bless them. That is the way of the carnal mind. So scary and yes…it does make me have reverence for God…that the lesser mind, the earthly mind which only seeks earthly things, those ways of our own which are lower than God’s ways …those ways and that mind deceives us. Do we even know when our heart is hardened to think we are more than we are, as being above others? Are we those that will not let another for whom Christ died go free? Personally I am persuaded God knows this mind of bondage and death better than we do. It all fits (Imo) with we have this treasure in a weaker vessel so that the power be of God and not men.

Speaking of strong meat…and not yet able to bear it. We say “not able to bear it” pertains to not being able to bear the correct theology, the right knowledge but …pay attention to that and ask does it exalt itself? Consider how boastful it is to go against those who are without the knowledge of Christ, where His word says not all have this knowledge. and is thought in mind focused on earthly things is I’ve obtained great knowledge and wealth in Christ which you aren’t able to bear yet. See it reversed…where the one claiming such great knowledge is the one who ought to support the one who is weak and without knowledge. If they can’t support the one who is without knowledge and weak, then are they not the one who can not bear it yet?

<Romans 15:1-3 Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength, and not just please ourselves. [2] Each of us is to please his neighbor for his good, to his edification. [3] For even Christ did not please Himself, but as it is written: “The taunts of those who taunt You have fallen on Me.”

We speak of discernment of good and evil. This may be harsh but what if my discernment is this. What if a red flag for me is this. What is behind proving Judas as the ultimate betrayer? What if it’s to exalt ourselves as we have never been a Judas. I can’t explain it but what if I’m hesitant because all this slamming of Judas just empowers others with the mindset of they are superior to Judas. Same as this chosen of God theology. If it gives birth to a superficial group where God is only for them …then have they misused His mercy and Grace and forgiveness? You suggest if I understand correctly… it comes down to discernment of good and evil. I live in the world too and nothing deceives more than being proud of one’s status even if they use God to elevate their status. Should we not discern also what spirit it is of that elevates itself? The temptation of mankind to make it all about us. Is Judas used to elevate a mind of “at least I’m not Judas!”
Pharaoh and Judas are closely connected in history, as both witnessed signs and wonders yet chose to harden their hearts, influenced by their own worldviews. While God's actions played a role in the hardening process, He Himself did not directly harden their hearts. Ultimately, God upholds the principle of free will, treating all people equally, without showing favoritism. You could say God's foreknowledge of this Pharoah enabled Him to reveal His Power in the Earth by overcoming every god known to the Egyptians of that time.
What was the difference between Peter & Judas?

Satan (Sanhedrin in this instance), sought to sift Peter like wheat, but Jesus prayed fervently for him, that he would not succumb to the power of these tempters.

Ultimately God chooses but you cannot remove or take away the response of the believer! Some clay will allow HIs Hands to shape us from the inside out...while other clay will not be shaped - He discards.

This knowledge should create reverence for Him and His Word in our lives.

The danger in thinking "God alone chooses my fate" can cause one to let loosen ones grasp on the anchor of hope which sits behind the curtain! Paul would say "grasp" it as tightly as you can with no slack!

Thanks for your thoughts - valuable
 
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Do I think God would use Judas to stop every mouth from boasting in self. To bring down every high lofty opinion, taking all things captive unto the mind of the Lord. Yes, I think so. Ask any one which disciple of Jesus they admire the most, which one would they choose with their free will to be as…none will say Judas. Zero. What would Jesus do?
The Word of God was fulfilled in Judas.

Judas was initially chosen by the Lord (Luke 6:16). He possessed the qualities and abilities of an apostle, but was ultimately swayed by the religious leaders of the Jews (John 6:70-71; 13:2) to betray Jesus. Driven by personal ambition, greed, and spite, Judas failed to allow the teachings he heard so clearly from Jesus to transform him, unlike Peter, who was ultimately converted. Although Judas had great privileges, he squandered his opportunities and represents those believers throughout history who fail to resist the subtle pull of worldliness, betraying their Lord in various ways (Hebrews 6:6; 10:29).

When he died Judas fell in such a way that his intestines (Gr. splagchna: spleen) were exposed, and "poured out." There is here a contrast with his Master, whose "soul was poured out unto death" (Isa. 53:12) but his sacrifice led to joy and life, whereas the fatality of Judas resulted in
ignominy, shame and death.

The writer in Acts 1 is showing a contrast in the two deaths - two ways to either secure life or lose it.

The path to securing life is to lose it and Judas chose to gain his life through the strength of his own hand and paid the most severe price.

Many Christians are not willing to speak these things because they do not know the Goodness & Severity of God and how it's held in perfect balance in God's character.

They will one day know
 
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Peter cites Psa. 69:25, to assert that the disciples need not be surprised at the treachery of Judas and the seeming failure of their hopes! All those events had been forecast by David long before (Psa. 41:6-9; 69:4, 25; 109:16).

Romans 4:17 "As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations, before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

This knowledge of Him, should strengthen our faith and draw us closer to Him, not like Judas who failed to "know the Scripture" or his place in it.

The Jews in John 8 did the same! Went the way of Cain....

No superhuman agent of evil as some suggest - just a handful of self-deceived Christians who cannot discern the Word correctly.

They misrepresent the true enemies of God for a fictious one.

Imagine doing that?!
 

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Ephesians 6
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the [b]wiles of the devil.

12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of [c]the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.


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Peter cites Psa. 69:25, to assert that the disciples need not be surprised at the treachery of Judas and the seeming failure of their hopes! All those events had been forecast by David long before (Psa. 41:6-9; 69:4, 25; 109:16).

Romans 4:17 "As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations, before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

This knowledge of Him, should strengthen our faith and draw us closer to Him, not like Judas who failed to "know the Scripture" or his place in it.

The Jews in John 8 did the same! Went the way of Cain....

No superhuman agent of evil as some suggest - just a handful of self-deceived Christians who cannot discern the Word correctly.

They misrepresent the true enemies of God for a fictious one.

Imagine doing that?!
You are really gone over hard against reality.
 
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Ephesians 6
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the [b]wiles of the devil.

12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of [c]the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.


What is a celestial being?

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/sɪˈlɛstʃəl/

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Other forms: celestially

What is the difference between a celestial being and a celestial body? The first is something living such as an alien or an angel, whereas the latter is an inanimate object such as a star or a planet. Both, however, are from the sky.

The word celestial is primarily used to describe things that have to do with the heavens such as angels, spirits, stars and planets. It does not come from words meaning God or soul though, but from the Latin word for "sky," caelestis, which also gave rise to the word ceiling. So really, all you have to do is look up and you'll remember what celestial means — whether you're inside or outside.
Yes, the symbol of the heavens is a fitting description for the religious authorities of the time.