Mary as New Eve

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GracePeace

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Years ago, I learned that the Bible teaches that only the Church could be the New Eve :

1. The typological evidence in Scripture points to the Church being the New Eve, not Mary :
i. Adam was the head of the human race, and Christ is the head of a new human race (Ro 5; 1 Co 15),
ii. Eve was Adam's own body, and the Church is Christ's body (Gen 2; Ep 5),
iii. Eve was Adam's bride, and the Church is Christ's bride (Gen 2; Ep 4).

2. No less than Paul, himself, says the Church corresponds to Eve :
2 Corinthians 11:3But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

Later, I learned that Irenaeus taught contrary to this, innovating a doctrine that Mary was the New Eve, and that the Catholic Church looked to him as authoritative, and, so, they share that view.

When I've confronted Catholics about this, they've tried to wave it off, claiming it isn't necessary for the CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church) to be 100% correct about all things it affirms, or they say there could be two figures in mind (both the Church and Mary) when dealing with typology; but ChatGPT says that it actually does undermine Catholicism, because, even though Mary as New Eve isn't a dogma, the Marian dogmas do rest upon the foundation of "Mary is the New Eve" (eg, the doctrine of her immaculate conception, they say it was necessary for Mary to have been born sinless, because Eve had been sinless), this actually does undermine Catholicism, inasmuch as it claims it cannot err in dogma... but its dogmas rely upon falsified foundations.

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I have seen Jesus' church depicted as a virgin (2Cor 11:2) but I have yet to
see his church depicted as a mother. In point of fact, the birth spoken of by
John 1:12-13 and John 3:3-8 is an act of God alone rather than a joint act
by Jesus' church and God together like as when the Holy Spirit overshadowed
Mary in Luke 1:35.
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I have seen Jesus' church depicted as a virgin (2Cor 11:2) but I have yet to
see his church depicted as a mother. In point of fact, the birth spoken of by
John 1:12-13 and John 3:3-8 is an act of God alone rather than a joint act
by Jesus' church and God together like as when the Holy Spirit overshadowed
Mary in Luke 1:35.
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Are you coming from a Catholic or non-Catholic perspective?