Unlike Amillennialism, Premillennialism is based on assumptions and speculation rather than on any clear, straightforward scriptures
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Yes, thank you for showing why you have no discernment. It's because you get your understanding from your imagination rather than from the Holy Spirit. Having spiritual discernment means you can discern what scripture is teaching and can explain it clearly, which you obviously cannot do.
@marks Why the sad face? Can you understand what Taken said in his post? If so, please explain it to me.
Bro, they are destroying their own position by running and hiding. Long may it continue! Premil is dead here! It just needs a decent burial.
Hm. I don't know that I could explain someone's post to you any different or any better than I can explain my own posts to you, based on your seeming lack of understanding of what I've been saying.
But to just declare something "incoherant nonsense" is to put off onto someone else what you should be taking responsibility for.
"I don't understand what you've written"
or
"You've written incoherent nonsense"
Do you see the difference?
In the first example, you are telling others about you. This is what it means to "keep to your side of the fence".
In the second example, you are speaking of someone else, and that's crossing the boundary to "their side of the fence. You tell me about you, and I'll tell you about me, that's the idea.
So much of this forum is consumed with this kind of nonsense, as one tells another, "you don't get it" or "you write nonsense" or "you just don't want to know" or "you ignore the Scriptures", like that.
For good communication, and for good interpersonal relationships, I think this is an important thing to understand.
So the reason for the sad face was because instead of telling @Taken that you didn't understand the post, you declared "more incoherent nonsense from you". You could have asked them to explain it to you. You could have responded with any number of things. But this is what you chose.
And as Jesus said, out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.
I really actually do love you! I want for you to have all good things, I want for you to have the best relationships with God and others, I want for you to fully understand the Scriptures, that you may grow into all good things.
You've asked, and I've given you the most sincere answer I know, in the hope that you will take some of this to heart, and benefit thereby.
Much love!
It was incoherent nonsense. Nowhere in scripture does it teach anything that he was saying. He tries to create 17 different groups of believers despite the fact that all believers are in one body. I have no problem calling that incoherent nonsense because that is what it is.
It's too bad that the truth makes you sad. If you think he is displaying spiritual discernment with his nonsensical gibberish, then I'm sad for you.
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@marks Yes, you've added all you can, which is pretty much nothing. Just like every other Premill who has posted in this thread.
Personally, I understand what's being said, I don't see the problem.
Different Scriptures sometimes have application only to certain people. A glaring example is God's command to Noah to build an ark. We all realize this does not apply to us.
People will be saved during the tribulation, so there will be believer on the earth at that time.
There are those who are saved now, who are "in Christ", and others who will be saved then.
Application of this Scripture is towards those who are not "saved", rather, the "shall be saved". Those who are In Christ are saved now.
which are saved . . . this is us now.
You've presented Scriptures that rightly apply to others as though they apply to you, but you don't righty fit into them.
One of those "You" statements that I speak against. It's not for others to tell you what you want. Its for you to do that.
Benediction.
Again, I don't find this difficult to understand. But that's me.
Much love!
The fact you had to try and clarify it, speak volumes. It is totally incoherent and meaningless.
LOL. I understand what he's saying and that it doesn't agree with what scripture teaches, which is what makes it nonsense. Anything that contradicts scripture is nonsense. He tries to apply a scripture that talks about enduring to the end in order to be saved to supposed tribulation saints and acts like that can't apply to us. That's nonsense. He tries to differentiate between those who are in Christ and those who are saved during a future tribulation period as if they would not be in Christ. That's nonsense. Any such people would also be in Christ. All believers are in Christ regardless of when they become saved.
Do you agree with all of the things he posted there or would you say that at least some of what he said does not make sense scripturally?
You misunderstood what I was saying just like you misunderstand scripture repeatedly. I'm saying it was incoherent in the sense that it doesn't line up with what scripture teaches. Him trying to differentiate between being in Christ and being a tribulation saint and so on is incoherent nonsense since everyone who is ever saved is in Christ regardless of when they are saved.
Also, he says personal things like "so…You do not want to BE Included “IN” the Escape Prepared FOR “US” Already…". That's complete nonsense.
LOL. You continue to astound me in your lack of discernment of what I'm saying and of what scripture is saying. And in your willingness to support other people's nonsense.
You also continue to astound me in the fact that you do not even attempt to show how any of the scripture references I used in the original posts can support your doctrine. Are you afraid to address them? I think so.
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You're the one who said he was what, trying to make 17 groups of believers? Not in that post!
Much love!
Why in the world would someone at this point on this thread want to try to have a serious discussion with you? Look at how you respond. No, it's just not attractive. So, have fun!
Much love!
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When I tried to get people to discuss what I said in the original posts, no one wanted to do it. They'd rather talk about anything else than addressing what I said in those posts. So, don't act like you or any other Premill would have a serious discussion related to what this thread is supposed to be about no matter what. You guys are not willing to give up your false doctrine that you know you can't reconcile with any of the passages I posted in the original posts. That's why you don't even attempt to show how Premill can be reconciled with those passages.
Instead of addressing them, the Premils in this thread try to talk about other things and try to make things personal, so the thread gets derailed. I just want to talk about what I posted in the original posts. If people would actually do that, then this other stuff would easily be avoided.
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