Daniel's 1260 vs. 1290 vs. 1335 vs 2300 Days Prophecies (Abomination of Desolation Was the Crucifixion)

[Exegesis]

The purpose of this thread is to discover what would happen if all of Daniel's 'days' prophecies were consistently interpreted using the Day/Year Principle:

"The day-year principle or year-for-a-day principle is a method of interpretation of Bible prophecy in which the word day in prophecy is considered to be symbolic of a year of actual time."

Day-year principle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This would include prophecies regarding the Two Witnesses found in the Book of Revelation. In other words, they prophecy for 1260 years.

This first post will cover the basic summaries. Further unpacking may be done later if time permits. A main goal is to keep this simple and to the point so that a child could understand it. No 'mental gymnastics' are required. No 'flip-flopping' between days and years to fit some preconceived notion.

Here is a condensed list of the various 'days' we find as well as their corresponding 'years':

• Revelation 11:11 - Three days and an half = 3-1/2 years
• Daniel 9:24 - Seventy Weeks = 490 years
• Daniel 7:25 - A time and times and the dividing of time = 1260 years
• Daniel 12:7 - A time, times, and an half = 1260 years
• Revelation 11:2 - Forty and two months = 1260 years
• Revelation 13:5 - Forty and two months = 1260 years
• Revelation 11:3 - A thousand two hundred and threescore days = 1260 years
• Revelation 12:6 - A thousand two hundred and threescore days = 1260 years
• Revelation 12:14 - A time, and times, and half a time = 1260 years
• Daniel 12:11 - A thousand two hundred and ninety days = 1290 years
• Daniel 8:14 - Two thousand and three hundred days = 2300 years

Please let me know if I missed any verses. We will start with the longest one, the 2300 days:

Daniel 8:14 "And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

One of the most important aspects of interpreting these days/years correctly is to accurately determine the starting point. Since 2300 years is a long time for the Sanctuary to be cleansed, chances are these years already happened. Could the starting point be the Flood of Noah? Let us have a look:

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Yes. According to the scholars, 2300 days would fit perfectly with the Flood of Noah. We have our first match. This would mean that the Sanctuary being cleansed would have happened during the time Jesus was alive. More specifically, it points to the Crucifixion as being the exact end date. The Preterists will be happy to hear this.

What about 1260 days/years? We turn to Revelation to get us started:

Revelation 12:14 "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

The 'wilderness' may be a reference to the wilderness that the Israelites fled to during the time of Moses. For 1260 years, the woman is 'nourished' until the birth of the Messiah. We have another match.

Two Witnesses?

Revelation 11:3 "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

Most scholars agree that the Two Witnesses are symbolic of the Law and Prophets. Once again, we see that 1260 years fits perfectly from Moses to John the Baptist. This is another match.

What about the 3-1/2 days?

Revelation 11:11 "And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them."

John the Baptist, the last of the Two Witnesses, was killed around the time Jesus began his ministry:

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3-1/2 years later, in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel, the Two Witnesses are raised during the Crucifixion. A great earthquake occurred:

Matthew 27:50-53 "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

The Two Witnesses came to life. Once again, everything matches with precise timing. Moreover, it all points to Jesus. Amen?

So far, what we see is that the 1260 days begins around the Exodus and ends with the birth of Jesus. Thirty years later, at 1290 in the timeline, Jesus begins his ministry:

Luke 3:23 "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,"

This means that the Abomination of Desolation was being set up at that time:

Daniel 12:11 "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

Now we know with absolute clarity when this even occurred. The Abomination of Desolation was clearly the Crucifixion.

That leaves us with the 1335 years date, again starting at Exodus:

Daniel 12:12 "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."

We all know what happened approximately 45 years after the Abomination of Desolation was set up...

Matthew 24:15-16 "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:"

Blessed were those that 'saw', i.e., understood the 1335 days prophecy and were able to leave and rebuild their lives before 70AD.

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[Randy Kluth]

Sorry, the year-day method does not make sense to me, nor would it make sense to anybody reading it. I see the 1260 days of Revelation to be linked only to the 3.5 years of Dan 7 and the reign of the "Little Horn."

The fact this period of time roughly compares to the 1290 days of Antiochus 4's reign does not mean they should be conflated. They are comparable for a reason, but they should not be conflated.

I like J. Barton Payne's Encyclopedia of Prophecy, which sees the 1260 days as Antichrist and thte 1290 days as Antiochus 4, if I recall correctly. Anyway, that's how I see it.

The book of Revelation obviously is not based on Antiochus' rule of 1290 days, but rather, on the prophecy of Antichrist's Reign in Dan 7. That is 1260 days, or 3.5 years, or 42 months. Armageddon happens after that in an unknowable number of days leading up to and including mobilization to Armageddon by armies in the East. My opinion only.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Huh...? The speculations made by "Exegesis" above are one of the worst I have ever heard. His private interpretations do not make any biblical sense at all.

 

[Marty fox]

The purpose of this thread is to discover what would happen if all of Daniel's 'days' prophecies were consistently interpreted using the Day/Year Principle:

"The day-year principle or year-for-a-day principle is a method of interpretation of Bible prophecy in which the word day in prophecy is considered to be symbolic of a year of actual time."

Day-year principle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This would include prophecies regarding the Two Witnesses found in the Book of Revelation. In other words, they prophecy for 1260 years.

This first post will cover the basic summaries. Further unpacking may be done later if time permits. A main goal is to keep this simple and to the point so that a child could understand it. No 'mental gymnastics' are required. No 'flip-flopping' between days and years to fit some preconceived notion.

Here is a condensed list of the various 'days' we find as well as their corresponding 'years':

• Revelation 11:11 - Three days and an half = 3-1/2 years
• Daniel 9:24 - Seventy Weeks = 490 years
• Daniel 7:25 - A time and times and the dividing of time = 1260 years
• Daniel 12:7 - A time, times, and an half = 1260 years
• Revelation 11:2 - Forty and two months = 1260 years
• Revelation 13:5 - Forty and two months = 1260 years
• Revelation 11:3 - A thousand two hundred and threescore days = 1260 years
• Revelation 12:6 - A thousand two hundred and threescore days = 1260 years
• Revelation 12:14 - A time, and times, and half a time = 1260 years
• Daniel 12:11 - A thousand two hundred and ninety days = 1290 years
• Daniel 8:14 - Two thousand and three hundred days = 2300 years

Please let me know if I missed any verses. We will start with the longest one, the 2300 days:



One of the most important aspects of interpreting these days/years correctly is to accurately determine the starting point. Since 2300 years is a long time for the Sanctuary to be cleansed, chances are these years already happened. Could the starting point be the Flood of Noah? Let us have a look:

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Yes. According to the scholars, 2300 days would fit perfectly with the Flood of Noah. We have our first match. This would mean that the Sanctuary being cleansed would have happened during the time Jesus was alive. More specifically, it points to the Crucifixion as being the exact end date. The Preterists will be happy to hear this.

What about 1260 days/years? We turn to Revelation to get us started:



The 'wilderness' may be a reference to the wilderness that the Israelites fled to during the time of Moses. For 1260 years, the woman is 'nourished' until the birth of the Messiah. We have another match.

Two Witnesses?



Most scholars agree that the Two Witnesses are symbolic of the Law and Prophets. Once again, we see that 1260 years fits perfectly from Moses to John the Baptist. This is another match.

What about the 3-1/2 days?



John the Baptist, the last of the Two Witnesses, was killed around the time Jesus began his ministry:

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3-1/2 years later, in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel, the Two Witnesses are raised during the Crucifixion. A great earthquake occurred:



The Two Witnesses came to life. Once again, everything matches with precise timing. Moreover, it all points to Jesus. Amen?

So far, what we see is that the 1260 days begins around the Exodus and ends with the birth of Jesus. Thirty years later, at 1290 in the timeline, Jesus begins his ministry:



This means that the Abomination of Desolation was being set up at that time:



Now we know with absolute clarity when this even occurred. The Abomination of Desolation was clearly the Crucifixion.

That leaves us with the 1335 years date, again starting at Exodus:



We all know what happened approximately 45 years after the Abomination of Desolation was set up...



Blessed were those that 'saw', i.e., understood the 1335 days prophecy and were able to leave and rebuild their lives before 70AD.

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Daniel 8
14He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”

It’s not 2300 days it’s 2300 morning and evenings which is 1150 days

 

[Marty fox]

Sorry, the year-day method does not make sense to me, nor would it make sense to anybody reading it. I see the 1260 days of Revelation to be linked only to the 3.5 years of Dan 7 and the reign of the "Little Horn."

The fact this period of time roughly compares to the 1290 days of Antiochus 4's reign does not mean they should be conflated. They are comparable for a reason, but they should not be conflated.

I like J. Barton Payne's Encyclopedia of Prophecy, which sees the 1260 days as Antichrist and thte 1290 days as Antiochus 4, if I recall correctly. Anyway, that's how I see it.

The book of Revelation obviously is not based on Antiochus' rule of 1290 days, but rather, on the prophecy of Antichrist's Reign in Dan 7. That is 1260 days, or 3.5 years, or 42 months. Armageddon happens after that in an unknowable number of days leading up to and including mobilization to Armageddon by armies in the East. My opinion only.

Hello Randy it’s been a while how are you doing?

 

[Randy Kluth]

Hello Randy it’s been a while how are you doing?

Doing good. I've missed your posts. I've been kind of swinging from one vine to another, looking for places where I can fit in things I'm interested in. Your kind of level-headedness is needed on some of these forums. Hope to hear more from you.

Message me any time!

 

[Exegesis]

Daniel 8
14He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”

It’s not 2300 days it’s 2300 morning and evenings which is 1150 days

Thanks @Marty fox

Just as an FYI, it is not unreasonable to interpret them as 2300 years...

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Of course, the Seventh Day Adventists interprets it that way:

"Miller concluded that 457 BC was the beginning of the 2,300-day (or -year) prophecy, which meant that it would end about 1843–1844 (457 BC + 2300 years = 1843 AD). And so, too, the Second Advent would happen about that time."

Great Disappointment - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They made the prophecy about themselves, which many have concluded was a terrible idea. I agree wholeheartedly. That was very narcissistic of them to do that. Many Seventh Day Adventists are now trying to distance themselves from that catastrophe.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Thanks @Marty fox

Just as an FYI, it is not unreasonable to interpret them as 2300 years...

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According to AI and Wiki, not the Word of God. Got it.

 

[Zao is life]

The purpose of this thread is to discover what would happen if all of Daniel's 'days' prophecies were consistently interpreted using the Day/Year Principle:

The 20th century saw the birth of flip-flopping interpretations like you have expressed. You do not realize that you are looking at a type and an antitype, and nothing more or anything else.

Since the second half of the 20th century no one seems to want to acknowledge the fact that the abominations mentioned in Daniel 9:26-27 are associated with the destruction of both the Temple and the city of Jerusalem,

but the daily sacrifice being taken away and the abomination of transgression / abomination being set up in the holy place in Daniel 8:11-14; Daniel 11:31-35; and Daniel 12:11-13 are not associated in the text of scripture with the destruction of either the Temple or of the city - the sanctuary was cleansed afterward and the city was not attacked again after the historical events of those days.

Only when someone allows himself to become educated enough to acknowledge types and antitypes in scripture, will you understand this:-

Daniel 7:17
"These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth."

1. Babylon.
2. Medo-Persia.
3. The Greek Empire of Alexander the Great.
4:-

Daniel 8:8-10 - 3rd beast - the Greek Empire of Alexander the Great:

"Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken.
(origin of the 4th beast): and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

(4th beast - the type of the end of days 4th beast): And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them."

Daniel 8:11-12 - daily sacrifice taken away:

"Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered."

Daniel 8:13-14 - the sanctuary was cleansed afterward:

"Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred evenings and mornings; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

Daniel 8:21-26
"And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. And the vision of the evenings and the mornings which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days."

"'Abomination of Desolation' is a phrase from the Book of Daniel describing the pagan sacrifices with which the 2nd century BC Greek king Antiochus IV Epiphanes replaced the twice-daily offering in the Jewish temple, or alternatively the altar on which such offerings were made."

Abomination of desolation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

During his reign he attacked Egypt, but the ships of the Roman Republic came against him and he was forced to withdraw. Then he set his sites on Israel and its Temple:

Daniel 11:30-35
"For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have regard for them that forsake the holy covenant. And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed."

Daniel 12:11-13 - talking about the sacrifices being taken away and the same abomination of desolation set up by Antiochus IV Epiphanes:

"And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days."

Daniel 12:3
"And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."

DAILY SACRIFICES TAKEN AWAY AND THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION

The text of Daniel 8:11 and Daniel 11:31 links both verses to:-

(a) daily sacrifices for sin being removed (which is what occurred in the 2nd temple in the days of Antiochus IV); and
(b) an abomination of desolation being placed in the holy place (which is what occurred in the 2nd temple in the days of Antiochus IV); and
(c) The text of Daniel 12:11-12 links the 1,290 days and 1,335 days that the verses are talking about, to both daily sacrifices for sin being removed in the temple of God; and an abomination of desolation being placed in the holy place in the temple.

Daniel 12:1-10 is the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 24:15; by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:4; and this is why Daniel 12:7-9 and Revelation 10:1-7 use the same language

- it's talking about THE END OF THIS AGE, and the biblical type is the abomination of desolation set up by Antiochus IV Epiphanes in the 2nd century B.C.

 

[Randy Kluth]

The 20th century saw the birth of flip-flopping interpretations like you have expressed. You do not realize that you are looking at a type and an antitype, and nothing more or anything else.

Since the second half of the 20th century no one seems to want to acknowledge the fact that the abominations mentioned in Daniel 9:26-27 are associated with the destruction of both the Temple and the city of Jerusalem,

but the daily sacrifice being taken away and the abomination of transgression / abomination being set up in the holy place in Daniel 8:11-14; Daniel 11:31-35; and Daniel 12:11-13 are not associated in the text of scripture with the destruction of either the Temple or of the city - the sanctuary was cleansed afterward and the city was not attacked again after the historical events of those days.

Only when someone allows himself to become educated enough to acknowledge types and antitypes in scripture, will you understand this:-

Daniel 7:17
"These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth."

1. Babylon.
2. Medo-Persia.
3. The Greek Empire of Alexander the Great.
4:-

Daniel 8:8-10 - 3rd beast - the Greek Empire of Alexander the Great:

"Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken.
(origin of the 4th beast): and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

(4th beast - the type of the end of days 4th beast): And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them."

Daniel 8:11-12 - daily sacrifice taken away:

"Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered."

Daniel 8:13-14 - the sanctuary was cleansed afterward:

"Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred evenings and mornings; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

Daniel 8:21-26
"And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. And the vision of the evenings and the mornings which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days."

"'Abomination of Desolation' is a phrase from the Book of Daniel describing the pagan sacrifices with which the 2nd century BC Greek king Antiochus IV Epiphanes replaced the twice-daily offering in the Jewish temple, or alternatively the altar on which such offerings were made."

Abomination of desolation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

During his reign he attacked Egypt, but the ships of the Roman Republic came against him and he was forced to withdraw. Then he set his sites on Israel and its Temple:

Daniel 11:30-35
"For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have regard for them that forsake the holy covenant. And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed."

Daniel 12:11-13 - talking about the sacrifices being taken away and the same abomination of desolation set up by Antiochus IV Epiphanes:

"And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days."

Daniel 12:3
"And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."

DAILY SACRIFICES TAKEN AWAY AND THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION

The text of Daniel 8:11 and Daniel 11:31 links both verses to:-

(a) daily sacrifices for sin being removed (which is what occurred in the 2nd temple in the days of Antiochus IV); and
(b) an abomination of desolation being placed in the holy place (which is what occurred in the 2nd temple in the days of Antiochus IV); and
(c) The text of Daniel 12:11-12 links the 1,290 days and 1,335 days that the verses are talking about, to both daily sacrifices for sin being removed in the temple of God; and an abomination of desolation being placed in the holy place in the temple.

Daniel 12:1-10 is the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 24:15; by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:4; and this is why Daniel 12:7-9 and Revelation 10:1-7 use the same language

- it's talking about THE END OF THIS AGE, and the biblical type is the abomination of desolation set up by Antiochus IV Epiphanes in the 2nd century B.C.

I agree with some of this, and some of it not. I would suggest that there is a difference between aligning prophecies purely because of the use of similar language and aligning prophecies because there are a chain of references to one another.

For example, I believe the language use of "abomination of desolation" does not necessarily link Dan 9.27 and Dan 11.31. There is no chain of reference linking these two prophecies together. Therefore, I see 9.27 as a reference to the Roman Army, and I see 11.31 as a reference to Antiochus 4.

There is, however, a chain of reference between Matt 24.15 and Dan 9.27. Consequently, I see both prophecies as referring to the Roman Army, which can be confirmed by reference to Luke 21.20.

There are other examples of similar language used, but used with different prophecies, with no chain of reference. For example, there is a slight comparison between the Little Horn of Dan 7.8 and Dan 8.9. Again, since there is no chain of reference between them, I see one "little horn" as the Antichrist, and the other "little horn" as Antiochus 4.

Scripture is rife with using common language for a number of different occasions, and we need to not conflate diverse prophecies purely on the comparison of similar language. This is an interpretive fallacy.

On the other hand, many Scripture prophecies are built as building blocks upon previous prophecies, and their linkage is established explicitly. We can rest assured, for example, that the lanaguage depicting the Son of Man coming with the clouds of heaven in Dan 7 is the original blueprint for NT eschatology involving the coming of Christ at the end of the age. The context implies that the language is being referred to in NT eschatology everywhere.

I hope this helps someone. It has certainly helped me, as I've learned from various people and places.

 

[ScottA]

The purpose of this thread is to discover what would happen if all of Daniel's 'days' prophecies were consistently interpreted using the Day/Year Principle:

"The day-year principle or year-for-a-day principle is a method of interpretation of Bible prophecy in which the word day in prophecy is considered to be symbolic of a year of actual time."

Day-year principle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This would include prophecies regarding the Two Witnesses found in the Book of Revelation. In other words, they prophecy for 1260 years.

This first post will cover the basic summaries. Further unpacking may be done later if time permits. A main goal is to keep this simple and to the point so that a child could understand it. No 'mental gymnastics' are required. No 'flip-flopping' between days and years to fit some preconceived notion.

Here is a condensed list of the various 'days' we find as well as their corresponding 'years':

• Revelation 11:11 - Three days and an half = 3-1/2 years
• Daniel 9:24 - Seventy Weeks = 490 years
• Daniel 7:25 - A time and times and the dividing of time = 1260 years
• Daniel 12:7 - A time, times, and an half = 1260 years
• Revelation 11:2 - Forty and two months = 1260 years
• Revelation 13:5 - Forty and two months = 1260 years
• Revelation 11:3 - A thousand two hundred and threescore days = 1260 years
• Revelation 12:6 - A thousand two hundred and threescore days = 1260 years
• Revelation 12:14 - A time, and times, and half a time = 1260 years
• Daniel 12:11 - A thousand two hundred and ninety days = 1290 years
• Daniel 8:14 - Two thousand and three hundred days = 2300 years

Please let me know if I missed any verses. We will start with the longest one, the 2300 days:



One of the most important aspects of interpreting these days/years correctly is to accurately determine the starting point. Since 2300 years is a long time for the Sanctuary to be cleansed, chances are these years already happened. Could the starting point be the Flood of Noah? Let us have a look:

View attachment 65353​

Yes. According to the scholars, 2300 days would fit perfectly with the Flood of Noah. We have our first match. This would mean that the Sanctuary being cleansed would have happened during the time Jesus was alive. More specifically, it points to the Crucifixion as being the exact end date. The Preterists will be happy to hear this.

What about 1260 days/years? We turn to Revelation to get us started:



The 'wilderness' may be a reference to the wilderness that the Israelites fled to during the time of Moses. For 1260 years, the woman is 'nourished' until the birth of the Messiah. We have another match.

Two Witnesses?



Most scholars agree that the Two Witnesses are symbolic of the Law and Prophets. Once again, we see that 1260 years fits perfectly from Moses to John the Baptist. This is another match.

What about the 3-1/2 days?



John the Baptist, the last of the Two Witnesses, was killed around the time Jesus began his ministry:

View attachment 65355​

3-1/2 years later, in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel, the Two Witnesses are raised during the Crucifixion. A great earthquake occurred:



The Two Witnesses came to life. Once again, everything matches with precise timing. Moreover, it all points to Jesus. Amen?

So far, what we see is that the 1260 days begins around the Exodus and ends with the birth of Jesus. Thirty years later, at 1290 in the timeline, Jesus begins his ministry:



This means that the Abomination of Desolation was being set up at that time:



Now we know with absolute clarity when this even occurred. The Abomination of Desolation was clearly the Crucifixion.

That leaves us with the 1335 years date, again starting at Exodus:



We all know what happened approximately 45 years after the Abomination of Desolation was set up...



Blessed were those that 'saw', i.e., understood the 1335 days prophecy and were able to leave and rebuild their lives before 70AD.

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I marvel at such work--from God especially, but also that which is determined by persons. Just amazing!

Not that I can confirm, if even follow, everything you have posted here, but in your title: "(Abomination of Desolation Was the Crucifixion)"--this is correct!

The crucifixion of Christ was also the "great tribulation", for nothing is greater than "all" tribulation placed upon Christ.

 

[Davy]

The purpose of this thread is to discover what would happen if all of Daniel's 'days' prophecies were consistently interpreted using the Day/Year Principle:

"The day-year principle or year-for-a-day principle is a method of interpretation of Bible prophecy in which the word day in prophecy is considered to be symbolic of a year of actual time."

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BEWARE BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
Most of the original post is FALSE TEACHING.

The day-year principle is given in God's Word FOR ONLY A CERTAIN PROPHECY, like in Ezekiel 4:6. It is ONLY given for that specific prophecy. So if God's written Word does not say a prophecy is in that kind of year-for-a-day division, then it means WE CANNOT USE THAT for all Bible prophecies. Yet that is exactly what some folks try to do, like the ones the OP follows. It's like they try to create The Bible into some kind of 'Bible Codes' theory, which is actually an Occult Mystic working called Gematria.

And the "abomination of desolation" event, which is about an IDOL abomination placed at a Jewish built stone temple in Jerusalem, HAS NOT HAPPENED YET TO THIS DAY.

Per Lord Jesus' main SIGNS of the end of this world leading up to His future return, as written in Matthew 24, He showed the placing of that "abomination of desolation" IDOL will be at the END of this world, and He referenced that future event from the Book of Daniel. Thus Jesus made the Book of Daniel part of His end time SIGNS about the end of this world. And in the Book of Daniel, it is one called the "vile person" of Daniel 11:21 forward that will do that in future Jerusalem.

That event is also what Apostle Paul taught must happen first before Jesus' coming, per 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4. The "man of sin" (that "vile person"), must come first and will sit in a new stone temple built in Jerusalem, and proclaim himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped.

Now ANYONE confusing that coming false one at the end of this world with Lord Jesus' crucifixion at His 1st coming certainly reveals they are under the influence of ANOTHER SPIRIT, and that is who you'd be listening to by believing them. And don't be fooled by all the cannon fodder of charts and lists they like to make up to make it seem... they know what they are talking about. That's only a deceptive ploy the devil often uses.

 

[Exegesis]

(Abomination of Desolation Was the Crucifixion)"--this is correct!

The crucifixion of Christ was also the "great tribulation", for nothing is greater than "all" tribulation placed upon Christ.

Your understanding is really close to mine. What most call the Great Tribulation, I see it as actually beginning in 70AD with the destruction of Jerusalem:

Matthew 24:21 "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

This means that the world has been in the Great Tribulation ever since. It is not a future event lasting only a few years.

The Blessed Hope is next for those that are redeemed, but at the same time, there will be 'sudden destruction' and the wrath for the unredeemed. After the 'tribulation of those days', the end comes:

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

Again, the world has been experiencing 'those days' of the Great Tribulation for thousands of years now. I don't know about you, but I feel like I have been through a lot of it already.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The purpose of this thread is to discover what would happen if all of Daniel's 'days' prophecies were consistently interpreted using the Day/Year Principle:

"The day-year principle or year-for-a-day principle is a method of interpretation of Bible prophecy in which the word day in prophecy is considered to be symbolic of a year of actual time."

Day-year principle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This would include prophecies regarding the Two Witnesses found in the Book of Revelation. In other words, they prophecy for 1260 years.

This first post will cover the basic summaries. Further unpacking may be done later if time permits. A main goal is to keep this simple and to the point so that a child could understand it. No 'mental gymnastics' are required. No 'flip-flopping' between days and years to fit some preconceived notion.

Here is a condensed list of the various 'days' we find as well as their corresponding 'years':

• Revelation 11:11 - Three days and an half = 3-1/2 years
• Daniel 9:24 - Seventy Weeks = 490 years
• Daniel 7:25 - A time and times and the dividing of time = 1260 years
• Daniel 12:7 - A time, times, and an half = 1260 years
• Revelation 11:2 - Forty and two months = 1260 years
• Revelation 13:5 - Forty and two months = 1260 years
• Revelation 11:3 - A thousand two hundred and threescore days = 1260 years
• Revelation 12:6 - A thousand two hundred and threescore days = 1260 years
• Revelation 12:14 - A time, and times, and half a time = 1260 years
• Daniel 12:11 - A thousand two hundred and ninety days = 1290 years
• Daniel 8:14 - Two thousand and three hundred days = 2300 years

Please let me know if I missed any verses. We will start with the longest one, the 2300 days:



One of the most important aspects of interpreting these days/years correctly is to accurately determine the starting point. Since 2300 years is a long time for the Sanctuary to be cleansed, chances are these years already happened. Could the starting point be the Flood of Noah? Let us have a look:

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Yes. According to the scholars, 2300 days would fit perfectly with the Flood of Noah. We have our first match. This would mean that the Sanctuary being cleansed would have happened during the time Jesus was alive. More specifically, it points to the Crucifixion as being the exact end date. The Preterists will be happy to hear this.

What about 1260 days/years? We turn to Revelation to get us started:



The 'wilderness' may be a reference to the wilderness that the Israelites fled to during the time of Moses. For 1260 years, the woman is 'nourished' until the birth of the Messiah. We have another match.

Two Witnesses?



Most scholars agree that the Two Witnesses are symbolic of the Law and Prophets. Once again, we see that 1260 years fits perfectly from Moses to John the Baptist. This is another match.

What about the 3-1/2 days?



John the Baptist, the last of the Two Witnesses, was killed around the time Jesus began his ministry:

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3-1/2 years later, in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel, the Two Witnesses are raised during the Crucifixion. A great earthquake occurred:



The Two Witnesses came to life. Once again, everything matches with precise timing. Moreover, it all points to Jesus. Amen?

So far, what we see is that the 1260 days begins around the Exodus and ends with the birth of Jesus. Thirty years later, at 1290 in the timeline, Jesus begins his ministry:



This means that the Abomination of Desolation was being set up at that time:



Now we know with absolute clarity when this even occurred. The Abomination of Desolation was clearly the Crucifixion.

That leaves us with the 1335 years date, again starting at Exodus:



We all know what happened approximately 45 years after the Abomination of Desolation was set up...



Blessed were those that 'saw', i.e., understood the 1335 days prophecy and were able to leave and rebuild their lives before 70AD.

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All that effort creating that post, yet it can easily be refuted by the fact that Jesus was clearly referring to something that did not happen at His crucifixion. There was no abomination of desolation that stood in the holy place when He was crucified. If you look at the parallel passage to Matthew 24:15-21 of Luke 21:20-24, you can see that the abomination of desolation was related to the time when armies would surround Jerusalem before destroying it and making it desolate along with its temple buildings. So, the abomination of desolation has to relate to what happened in 70 AD.

 

[Marty fox]

Hello aga

Your understanding is really close to mine. What most call the Great Tribulation, I see it as actually beginning in 70AD with the destruction of Jerusalem:



This means that the world has been in the Great Tribulation ever since. It is not a future event lasting only a few years.

The Blessed Hope is next for those that are redeemed, but at the same time, there will be 'sudden destruction' and the wrath for the unredeemed. After the 'tribulation of those days', the end comes:



Again, the world has been experiencing 'those days' of the Great Tribulation for thousands of years now. I don't know about you, but I feel like I have been through a lot of it already.

Hello again' the great tribulation is on the church not Isreal

9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”
11 All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:

“Amen!
Praise and glory
and wisdom and thanks and honor
and power and strength
be to our God for ever and ever.
Amen!”
13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”

And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

I do believe that it started the day Stephen was killed and it is still happening today.

 

[Marty fox]

I marvel at such work--from God especially, but also that which is determined by persons. Just amazing!

Not that I can confirm, if even follow, everything you have posted here, but in your title: "(Abomination of Desolation Was the Crucifixion)"--this is correct!

The crucifixion of Christ was also the "great tribulation", for nothing is greater than "all" tribulation placed upon Christ.

Hello Scott, Jesus tells us its something different.

Mathew 24
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

Luke 21
20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

 

[ScottA]

Your understanding is really close to mine. What most call the Great Tribulation, I see it as actually beginning in 70AD with the destruction of Jerusalem:

This means that the world has been in the Great Tribulation ever since. It is not a future event lasting only a few years.

The Blessed Hope is next for those that are redeemed, but at the same time, there will be 'sudden destruction' and the wrath for the unredeemed. After the 'tribulation of those days', the end comes:

Again, the world has been experiencing 'those days' of the Great Tribulation for thousands of years now. I don't know about you, but I feel like I have been through a lot of it already.

In pre or post face, my understanding as you kindly put it, is rather knowledge from God. Which sounds trite or arrogant, but I have been more than open about my position--giving witness, not of myself, but of what God has done, without conjecture or opinion.

As for tribulation, Christ said, "in the world you will have tribulation..." and of Him, it is written, "the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all." Meaning, all of us from the beginning of the world unto the end. Which makes 70 AD but a chapter and summary of what is actually all encompassing including every age and time. The language used then, is quite general (as with "those days"), so as only to elude to the overall truth, only to fully be revealed when the times are fulfilled. This is that time.

 

[ScottA]

Hello Scott, Jesus tells us its something different.

Mathew 24
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

Luke 21
20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

I understand that these passages would seem to indicate a specific time (near the end)--and they do. But not in the way that it has been understood. The terms and language is general in nature that what I am now saying would be true, while for so long it seemed to be "something different", as you say. Which measure of restraint was upon all generations only to be revealed near the end, that each would see things in a similar way until the times are fulfilled.

Notice, if you will, that the time spoken of--in spite of what has been assumed as a world-wide, onetime, future event--that it may come in "winter" or any other season for that matter, or on the "Sabbath" or any other day. This is the use of general language that I mentioned. Which, when fully considered, does not allow for that common understanding as being a big onetime, future event. Even so, many are so intrenched in their beliefs, that other passages and warnings were also given, such as this one following the great tribulation passage: "Therefore you (disciples, there and then--not future) also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect" (Matthew 24:44).

Meaning, yes, that time comes near the end, "but each one in his own order."

 

[Zao is life]

I believe the language use of "abomination of desolation" does not necessarily link Dan 9.27 and Dan 11.31.

I made a point of pointing out that Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 11:31 are not linked and I gave the reason, so I'm not following your point about this.

Daniel 9:26-27's abominations (which are mentioned in the plural in all English translations) are associated BY THE TEXT with the destruction of the Temple and of the city.

Daniel 8:11; Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11-12 are not associated BY THE SURROUNDING TEXT with the destruction of either the Temple or of the city. The Temple was cleansed afterward.

Daniel 11:31 is associated with a temporary cessation of the daily sacrifices.
Daniel 9:27 is associated with a permanent cessation of the daily sacrifices.

THE TEXT surrounding Daniel 8:11; Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11-12 associates the 1,290 days, 1,335 days and 2.300 evenings and mornings with Antiochus IV, Epiphanes and a temporary cessation of daily sacrifices that are not associated with the destruction of the Temple or the city.

Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 11:31 are not linked, as I said. Daniel 9:26-27 was fulfilled by the Roman armies in 70 A.D - and a permanent cessation of the daily sacrifices was the result of the destruction of the Temple.

I'm not sure why you repeated what I said as though you were disagreeing with me when what you did say was in agreement with me that the two are not linked?

I disagree with the rest of what you said. The book of Maccabees in the Apocrypha, and the 1st century Jewish historian Josephus both link Daniel 8:11 and Daniel 11:31 to Antiochus IV, "Epiphanes" and to the second century, BC, and the Jews' annual celebration of Hanukkah is based on this history - so there must be "something" that occurred in history that fulfilled the prophecy, and all historians and secular encyclopedias that do not have a religious motive for adjusting the facts know what that "something" is.

So do all the Jews. Hannukah is a remembrance of the re-dedication of the Temple after the abomination of desolation was removed, the Temple cleansed, and the daily sacrifices resumed.

Most 20th and 21st century Christians need to rewrite history to fit almost everything into their favorite folder titled "the end of this age and the return of Christ".

But that 4th beast and the actions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes are only a biblical type of the end of the age 4th beast - because Antiochus IV did not complete all the prophecies surrounding the abomination of desolation in the holy place: Some aspects of that prophecy will be completed by the man of sin in the holy place (Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:4) - which is not a physical temple but the body of Christ,

The Ancient of Days destroying the 4th beast and the Kingdom being given to the saints of the Most High forever and ever was not completed at the time of Antiochus. Nor was the resurrection and great tribulation mentioned in Daniel 12:1-3. The type of what is to come is the tribulation of the Jews under the hand of Antiochus. But Daniel 12:1-3 is not ultimately referring to the Jews but to the saints at the end of this age - the antitpye is Matthew 24:15 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4, and Matthew 24:21-22.

But there will be no daily sacrifice to temporarily take away again (the 1,290 and 1,335 days) because as Daniel 9:27 informs us, those daily sacrifices were caused to cease completely and permanently by the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ when He confirmed the New Covenant with many, and those daily sacrifices were permanently put a stop to by the Roman armies 40 years later.

The 1,290 and 1,335 and 2,300 evenings and morngins are linked BY THE TEXT in Daniel to the temporary suspension of the daily sacrifices in a Temple that was not destroyed, and to Antiochus IV.

It's possible that the 1,290 and 1,335 days may be repeated just before Christ returns - but NOTHING in Daniel OR in the Revelation OR in anything that ANY of the apostles EVER said suggests or implies that the 1,290 and 1,335 days will be repeated - which is exactly why there is so much speculation and disagreement about those numbers.

The Revelation speaks only of 42 months or a time, times and a half a time. Nothing else.

 

[Marty fox]

I understand that these passages would seem to indicate a specific time (near the end)--and they do. But not in the way that it has been understood. The terms and language is general in nature that what I am now saying would be true, while for so long it seemed to be "something different", as you say. Which measure of restraint was upon all generations only to be revealed near the end, that each would see things in a similar way until the times are fulfilled.

Notice, if you will, that the time spoken of--in spite of what has been assumed as a world-wide, onetime, future event--that it may come in "winter" or any other season for that matter, or on the "Sabbath" or any other day. This is the use of general language that I mentioned. Which, when fully considered, does not allow for that common understanding as being a big onetime, future event. Even so, many are so intrenched in their beliefs, that other passages and warnings were also given, such as this one following the great tribulation passage: "Therefore you (disciples, there and then--not future) also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect" (Matthew 24:44).

Meaning, yes, that time comes near the end, "but each one in his own order."

I do believe that this happened back in 70AD when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem