TWO GOSPELS THAT CANNOT BE THE SAME

[Doug]

Sounds like some folks are claiming Jesus was a false teacher so we need to throw His Word in the trash and follow Paul.

That's really weird because that's NOT was Paul said:

1 Timothy 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

According to Paul, those not teaching the Word of the Lord Jesus Christ (Doctrine of Christ) know nothing and are full of pride and should be shunned.

Some folks definitely been deceived by the devil

[1Ti 6:3 KJV] 3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, [even] the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

What Paul teaches and preaches are the words of Christ revealed thru him

I do not discard what Christ taught in his earthly ministry I just recognize that not all was to be applied to me in this dispensation ,,,,,I can learn from all he said

 

[Doug]

I see you're lost in translation Doug.

HaHa that was a good one

 

[LoveYeshua]

[1Ti 6:3 KJV] 3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, [even] the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

What Paul teaches and preaches are the words of Christ revealed thru him

I do not discard what Christ taught in his earthly ministry I just recognize that not all was to be applied to me in this dispensation ,,,,,I can learn from all he said

ALL absolutely ALL Jesus said and did applies to you today and to all of us. His message is a universal one, it is evident in his words that it is for everyone. To believe anything else is assuredly false, please revise your position, there is only one truth, I will be here if you have questions.

 

[RenewedStrength316]

[Col 1:23 KJV] 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Paul is saying here that the gospel WAS preached to EVERY creature, so therefore, the gospel WAS preached to the whole world. There was no creature under heaven, which is the world, who did not hear the gospel.

[Mat 24:14 KJV] 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Jesus says that after the gospel was preached in all the world the end would come.

If the gospel WAS preached to the whole world, as Paul said, and the end did NOT come, then it must be a different gospel.

The gospel Jesus preached was the gospel of the kingdom; the prophetic Davidic kingdom in which Christ will reign a thousand years was at hand.

This was not the gospel Paul preached; Paul preached the grace of God.

Your claim of “two gospels” that cannot be the same is not only a division born of pride and ignorance—it’s a direct attack on the unity and fullness of Christ’s redemptive work.

Paul did not preach some separate “gospel of grace” divorced from the “gospel of the kingdom” Jesus preached. He preached the gospel of Christ crucified, the Messiah who is the King, reigning now by His Spirit through the Church (1 Corinthians 2:2; Acts 28:31). To divide Jesus from Paul is to divide the Body, something the enemy delights in.

You twist Paul’s words in Colossians 1:23 as if the gospel was universally preached in the literal sense before the end. Listen carefully: Paul is speaking of a divine commission to preach “to every creature”—not a finished global broadcast before the last days begin. The Church’s mission continues until Christ returns (Matthew 28:19-20). The fullness of the nations receiving the gospel is still unfolding.

The gospel Jesus preached was the kingdom gospel, but that kingdom’s power and authority were veiled until Christ’s death and resurrection. Paul’s letters unveil that mystery—revealing the Church as the spiritual manifestation of that kingdom, the Body of Christ, the bride prepared for the Lamb (Ephesians 1:20-23; Colossians 1:13-14). The kingdom is not postponed to a distant earthly reign alone; it reigns now in the hearts of believers, and its consummation is coming.

Your attempt to separate Israel’s earthly kingdom promises from the spiritual reign of Christ in His Body is a denial of God’s covenantal faithfulness. Romans 11 makes clear: Israel is not cast away; their promises are irrevocable, but the fullness of salvation is now extended to the Gentiles, grafted into that olive tree by faith in Jesus. To pit Israel against the Church is a heresy that fractures the Body (Ephesians 2:11-22).

You mock the mystery Paul revealed as if it were a secret innovation, but Scripture declares this revelation was God’s hidden plan from eternity, now made known by His Spirit (Ephesians 3:3-6). Peter himself did not fully understand this mystery, which shows the progressive unfolding of God’s redemptive timeline, not contradicting but fulfilling Jesus’ kingdom message.

The gospel has not failed. The “end” will not come until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in (Romans 11:25), until every knee bows and every tongue confesses Jesus is Lord (Philippians 2:10-11).

Be warned: This prideful division you sow is a stumbling block. The enemy loves confusion and division in the Body. Repent of this false teaching that pits gospel against gospel and divides the Bride from her Head.

There is but one gospel, one kingdom, one Body—the Church—united under Jesus Christ our King. Stand firm in that truth or face the judgment of God who hates division and heresy.

> “For there is one body, and one Spirit…one Lord, one faith, one baptism.” — Ephesians 4:4-5



Repent, return to the unity of the faith, and embrace the fullness of Christ’s kingdom now manifest in His Church.

 

[amigo de christo]

ALL absolutely ALL Jesus said and did applies to you today and to all of us. His message is a universal one, it is evident in his words that it is for everyone. To believe anything else is assuredly false, please revise your position, there is only one truth, I will be here if you have questions.

Wanna hear something lovely and pure for it is TRUTH .
Neither paul or peter preached a different gospel .
Not james , not jude
THEY SIMPLY PREACHED the very things JESUS HIMSELF had taught and
by the SPIRIT expounded things in more detail .
In fact
every single letter written in that new testament IS FOR THE GOOD OF THE CHURCH
which is THE BODY OF CHRIST
WHICH has both BELIEVING JEWS AND GENTILES IN IT .
From the four gospels , to acts and every letter onwards
to include and not omit REVELATION
APPLIES to that one same body of those believers . Every WORD is for the good of the believer .
And they sure made mention of LEARNING and KNOWING the scriptures . not omitting
what was written in torah and the prophets and etc , BUT LEARNING IT
examples written for our learning that we DO NOT lust after and do the evil things they did .
EVERY WORD OF GOD ALL MIGHTY is good for the soul of THE SHEEP .

 

[Doug]

ALL absolutely ALL Jesus said and did applies to you today and to all of us.

[Luk 18:22 KJV] 22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

Do you think this applies to you?

[Luk 24:47 KJV] 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Have you started preaching in Jerusalem?

[Mar 16:17-18 KJV] 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

How come you cant heal the sick?

You cant say all he said was to applied to you

 

[Scott Downey]

There are many gospels of men, but there is only one genuine gospel, and that comes by revelation of Jesus Christ.
And Christ through the Holy Spirit has to open your mind to understand the scriptures.

Luke 24:45
And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.

Otherwise, the way is closed.

 

[Scott Downey]

Christ is the Door of the sheep. Only His sheep get to enter the sheepfold by the Door.
No one else will enter into the kingdom of Heaven.
John 10

Jesus the True Shepherd​

1 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them.

Jesus the Good Shepherd​

7 Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who ever came [a]before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

 

[amigo de christo]

There are many gospels of men, but there is only one genuine gospel, and that comes by revelation of Jesus Christ.
And Christ through the Holy Spirit has to open your mind to understand the scriptures.

Luke 24:45
And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.

Otherwise, the way is closed.

For if i depart not the SPIRIT cannot come .
He is with you , and SHALL BE IN YOU .
THEN opened he their understanding of the scrips .
But many heed not and hear not the SPIRIT
because many came to another jesus created of men that DID CONTRADICT some of HIS VERY WORDS
another jesus DONT save
another gospel , NO MATTER HOW LOVING AND BROAD IT SOUNDS , cannot save .
The love of the world cannot save
YET many believe they have the LOVE OF GOD and heed HIS SPIRIT and follow HIM .
THEY FOLLOW MEN and they do so unto their own destruction .
And what do we say
and what do we do to those who preach another jesus , another gospel
WELL WE DARN SURE DONT TRY AND UNIFY FOR WORLD PEACE and find common ground .
Scott this generation has been badly deceived . And how i shudder in terror now for many
who do nothing but heap only more and more wrath up upon themselves ON THE DAY OF THE LORD .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I do not discard what Christ taught in his earthly ministry I just recognize that not all was to be applied to me in this dispensation

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Then you reject portions of the Gospel of the Kingdom, aka the Doctrines of Christ.

Jesus said this is building on sinking sand, so prepare for your life to crumble and great shall be it's crumbling.

How come you cant heal the sick?

You won't be bothered with healing so don't worry about it.

 

[amigo de christo]

There are many gospels of men, but there is only one genuine gospel, and that comes by revelation of Jesus Christ.
And Christ through the Holy Spirit has to open your mind to understand the scriptures.

Luke 24:45
And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.

Otherwise, the way is closed.

HE opened their eyes . Otherwise the way sure is closed . BECAUSE the last time i checked
JESUS IS THE WAY . but many reject the true bibical JESUS and His teachings
in favor of a ferry rainbow holding , koran and budda kissing one
that hollers all day judge not , judge not
to any and all who EVEN BRING JESUS WORDS to them . this generation behaves
as though the words of CHRIST are hate speech ,
and the words of a very highly subtile serpent are LOVE SPEECH .

 

[Scott Downey]

HE opened their eyes . Otherwise the way sure is closed . BECAUSE the last time i checked
JESUS IS THE WAY . but many reject the true bibical JESUS and His teachings
in favor of a ferry rainbow holding , koran and budda kissing one
that hollers all day judge not , judge not
to any and all who EVEN BRING JESUS WORDS to them . this generation behaves
as though the words of CHRIST are hate speech ,
and the words of a very highly subtile serpent are LOVE SPEECH .

Jesus warned His disciples to be careful about false christs and false prophets, that they would be coming for the sheep and anyone else they can ensnare, as did Peter, Paul, Jude warn the churches.

Jesus mentions this with the time of the end, and that many will be deceived.
Matthew 24
3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you.
5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.

 

[amigo de christo]

Christ is the Door of the sheep. Only His sheep get to enter the sheepfold by the Door.
No one else will enter into the kingdom of Heaven.
John 10

Jesus the True Shepherd​

1 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them.

Jesus the Good Shepherd​

7 Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who ever came [a]before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

And yet many try and pander to the lie .
What do i mean .
They cliam the SPIRIT is at work amongst even the false religoins
That if one just so called loveth his neighbor and feeds the poor
EVEN IF said one follows that false religoin , THEY STILL KNOW and FOLLOW GOD
Kinda odd dont ya think .
Because again the last time i checked , BY THE SPIRIT ONE CALLS HIM LORD
and by the SPIRIT no man would call HIM accursed . BUT THEM FALSE RELIGOINS SURE DO . this generation has bought a lie
of another gospel known as incluvism
and while it states a partial truth , SAYING JESUS DID die for the sins of the world
IT USES THAT to imply THAT THIS means its okay EVEN IF ONE BELIEVES NOT ON HIM .
But THE SAME JESUS WHO DID DIE FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD
SURE SAID OTHERWISE . YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS , for if you BELEIVE NOT that I AM HE , Not you might
not maybe , BUT YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SINS .

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus warned His disciples to be careful about false christs and false prophets, that they would be coming for the sheep and anyone else they can ensnare, as did Peter, Paul, Jude warn the churches.

Jesus mentions this with the time of the end, and that many will be deceived.
Matthew 24
3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you.
5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.

most folks omit and overlook the very FIRST dire warning JESUS told them
WHEN they asked him about this .
YET what did HE SAY . T AKE HEED that no man Decieves you for MANY shall come in my name ............
And friend that many grows DAILY within christendom who now preach another jesus
and promises them salvation through its broad road
and leads them as one to unify with the wicked
in the idea that this will surely bring peace n safety upon earth .
I say beware for when they shall say peace n safety , ITS SUDDEN DESTRUCTION that cometh upon that camp .

 

[amigo de christo]

and abraham called the place Jehovah Jireh .
In the mountain of the LORD it shall be SEEN .
What shall be seen .
Abraham rejoiced to SEE my day , HE SAW IT AND WAS GLAD .
my son GOD shall provide a lamb . Since you have not WITHHELD thy only son ...................
Abraham believed , abraham obeyed and Abraham SAW HIS DAY . SO i suggest we preach THAT GOSPEL OF JESUS THE CHRIST .

 

[Doug]

I see you're lost in translation Doug.

You say the translation is wrong and the gospel was not preached to the world
Here is another verse that says it was............[Col 1:5-6 KJV] 5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; 6 Which is come unto you, as [it is] in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as [it doth] also in you, since the day ye heard [of it], and knew the grace of God in truth:

 

[ScottA]

[Col 1:23 KJV] 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Paul is saying here that the gospel WAS preached to EVERY creature, so therefore, the gospel WAS preached to the whole world. There was no creature under heaven, which is the world, who did not hear the gospel.

[Mat 24:14 KJV] 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Jesus says that after the gospel was preached in all the world the end would come.

If the gospel WAS preached to the whole world, as Paul said, and the end did NOT come, then it must be a different gospel.

The gospel Jesus preached was the gospel of the kingdom; the prophetic Davidic kingdom in which Christ will reign a thousand years was at hand.

This was not the gospel Paul preached; Paul preached the grace of God.

Paul indeed did preach the same gospel as Christ. But as he explained:

"Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase. 8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor. 9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ" (1 Corinthians 3:5-11).​

The confusion that comes with Colossians 1:23 "preached in all the world", was simply another way of saying "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse," (Romans 1:20). Thus, giving the greater scope of the overall salvation plan of God of which he was also a minister and apostle.

 

[GracePeace]

This was not the gospel Paul preached; Paul preached the grace of God.

Yeah, but if there really is a "remnant of Israel Church", and it is not entered into through Paul's Gospel of Grace (rather, those who believe "Paul's Gospel of Grace" enter into the "body of Christ Church", not "remnant of Israel Church"), why does Paul say "even so, today, God is preserving a remnant of Israel by Grace" (Roman 11:5)?

 

[LoveYeshua]

[Luk 18:22 KJV] 22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

Do you think this applies to you?

Doug anyone today can give to the poor, or a charity that helps feed them or take care of them so yes it applies to any of us.

[Luk 24:47 KJV] 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Have you started preaching in Jerusalem?

It says starting at Jerusalem, not in Jerusalem only, but repentance was the main message of Jesus and race the main of Paul, you were right, the gospels, not the same. Repentance is what a true follower of Christ has to preach but it is not received well, it is hard to do and because of that, people will shame you and ignore you like they do here sometimes when I preach on this forum.

[Mar 16:17-18 KJV] 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

How come you cant heal the sick?

It was given to the disciples to heal the sick it is a gift of the Holy spirit and it is rare today but not unheard of.

You cant say all he said was to applied to you

Yes any of these can apply to a number of us who have a strong faith and do the Will of the Father Like Jesus did, we should work like Jesus did.