TWO GOSPELS THAT CANNOT BE THE SAME

[Doug]

Doug anyone today can give to the poor, or a charity that helps feed them or take care of them so yes it applies to any of us.

That would be voluntary giving .......Jesus commanded them to sell all and you cant change the meaning to say it applies to you......if you dont sell all you are not following Jesus as you say we must

 

[Doug]

It says starting at Jerusalem, not in Jerusalem only, but repentance was the main message of Jesus and race the main of Paul, you were right, the gospels, not the same. Repentance is what a true follower of Christ has to preach but it is not received well, it is hard to do and because of that, people will shame you and ignore you like they do here sometimes when I preach on this forum.

You have not addressed the command of Jesus to start at Jerusalem.....have you started your preaching in Jerusalem?
If not you are not obeying everything Jesus commands

 

[Doug]

It was given to the disciples to heal the sick it is a gift of the Holy spirit and it is rare today but not unheard of.

So now you are saying some things were given to the disciples and NOT to you........Jesus didnt say that sign was for some but to all those who believe
Thats what I have been saying, not everything was commanded to us

 

[GracePeace]

We discussed this before but once more there is no remnant today,,,,the church of God, the believing remnant, the little flock, the Israel of God was still present when Paul wrote Romans 11:5 and so when he said the present time it meant when he wrote it

Why did Paul teach the remnant of Israel was being preserved by the Gospel of Grace, which you correctly identify Paul as teaching, whereas you claim people don't enter the remnant of Israel through the Gospel of Grace?

 

[Doug]

Why did Paul teach the remnant of Israel was being preserved by the Gospel of Grace, which you correctly identify Paul as teaching, whereas you claim people don't enter the remnant of Israel through the Gospel of Grace?

No idea what you mean ....sorry

 

[GracePeace]

No idea what you mean ....sorry

Convenient.

I detect inconsistency between what I perceive the Bible teaches and what you teach :

You say : "the remnant of Israel Church" is entered by Jews and Gentiles when they hear "Peter's Gospel", which differs from "Paul's Gospel of Grace" whereby people enter "the body of Christ Church".

The Bible says : "God is preserving a remnant of the nation of Israel by the Gospel of Grace", which you identify as the Gospel Paul preaches.

How are these two things compatible?

 

[Doug]

Convenient.

I detect inconsistency between what I perceive the Bible teaches and what you teach :

You say : "the remnant of Israel Church" is entered by Jews and Gentiles when they hear "Peter's Gospel", which differs from "Paul's Gospel of Grace" whereby people enter "the body of Christ Church".

The Bible says : "God is preserving a remnant of the nation of Israel by the Gospel of Grace", which you identify as the Gospel Paul preaches.

How are these two things compatible?

The Bible says : "God is preserving a remnant of the nation of Israel by the Gospel of Grace", which you identify as the Gospel Paul preaches.

What chapter and verse is this?

 

[GracePeace]

The Bible says : "God is preserving a remnant of the nation of Israel by the Gospel of Grace", which you identify as the Gospel Paul preaches.

What chapter and verse is this?

Romans 11:1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. 2Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

[Col 1:23 KJV] 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Paul is saying here that the gospel WAS preached to EVERY creature, so therefore, the gospel WAS preached to the whole world. There was no creature under heaven, which is the world, who did not hear the gospel.

[Mat 24:14 KJV] 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Jesus says that after the gospel was preached in all the world the end would come.

If the gospel WAS preached to the whole world, as Paul said, and the end did NOT come, then it must be a different gospel.

The gospel Jesus preached was the gospel of the kingdom; the prophetic Davidic kingdom in which Christ will reign a thousand years was at hand.

This was not the gospel Paul preached; Paul preached the grace of God.

Generally speaking:

Our Israeli, Hebrew-minded, ancient idioms in language, later expressed through Greek language which was then translated into English, the historic, ancient understanding of that phraseology, has long since been lost where it speaks of "...every creature..." That command was known to be consistent with Christ's command to the disciples alone to go NOT unto the Gentiles nor even to the Samaritans with His Gospel. In other words, it was the responsibility of the twelve to go ONLY to the scattered Jews across every known nation at that time, and the world beyond. That responsibility alone had a reason behind it that is today lost to the minds of all the false teaching pastors and teachers out there.

The evidence for this is demonstrated here:

Acts 11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

See that? The believing Jews continued what was commanded of the disciples. Ah, but ignorant rhetoricians today vomit their diatribes of replacement theology, spewing their trash all over those within hearing distance, each victim speckled with the flecks of falsehoods in the hopes that the "little leaven leavens the whole loaf," can, so they hope, add to their numbers an even bigger crowd of people who simply go along with whatever appeals to their sense of pride and emotions.

Moving on, we see this:

Acts 11:20 And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.

It was the converted Gentiles who preached to other Gentiles, while the Jews stuck only to the Jews for their preaching of Christ Jesus.

Oh well, scripture doesn't matter one tinker's darn to those who love making garbage up that has no roots within the fertile bed of scripture. Systematic Theology is an almost a dead art form for dredging up truth from what ALL scripture says, AND what a small handful of scripture says in its historic, ancient meaning from language, dialect, culture and audience continuities.

Thanks for creating this thread. It's a good topic of study.

BTW

 

[Doug]

Romans 11:1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. 2Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Once again the present time is when Paul wrote this

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

It was the converted Gentiles who preached to other Gentiles, while the Jews stuck only to the Jews for their preaching of Christ Jesus.

Be that as it may, it's all the same Gospel - the Doctrine of Christ as laid out in the New Covenant and all the biblical writes were Jews except for Luke

Paul first mentioned "those circumcised" (Col 4:11) and later referred to Luke (Col 4:14), the implication is drawn that Luke was not of the circumcision and hence was not a Jew.

 

[GracePeace]

Once again the present time is when Paul wrote this

Once again, that is irrelevant : you say the "remnant of Israel Church" is not entered by "Paul's Gospel of Grace" (but "Peter's Gospel"); the context demonstrates this "remnant" included those Jewish believers in his audience (who were to submit to "Paul's Gospel of Grace", his written message), whereas the majority of Israel, at the time, had been "cut off". That couldn't be the case if we assumed your view.

 

[Doug]

Generally speaking:

Our Israeli, Hebrew-minded, ancient idioms in language, later expressed through Greek language which was then translated into English, the historic, ancient understanding of that phraseology, has long since been lost lost where it speaks of "...every creature..." That command was known to be consistent with Christ's command to the disciples alone to go NOT unto the Gentiles nor even to the Samaritans with His Gospel. In other words, it was the responsibility of the twelve to go ONLY to the scattered Jews across every known nation at that time, and the world beyond. That responsibility alone had a reason behind it that is today lost to the minds of all the false teaching pastors and teachers out there.

The evidence for this is demonstrated here:

Acts 11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

See that? The believing Jews continued what was commanded of the disciples. Ah, but ignorant rhetoricians today vomit their diatribes of replacement theology, spewing their trash all over those within hearing distance, each victim speckled with the flecks of falsehoods in the hopes that the "little leaven leavens the whole loaf," can, so they hope, add to their numbers an even bigger crowd of people who simply go along with whatever appeals to their sense of pride and emotions.

Moving on, we see this:

Acts 11:20 And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.

It was the converted Gentiles who preached to other Gentiles, while the Jews stuck only to the Jews for their preaching of Christ Jesus.

Oh well, scripture doesn't matter one tinker's darn to those who love making garbage up that has no roots within the fertile bed of scripture. Systematic Theology is an almost a dead art form for dredging up truth from what ALL scripture says, AND what a small handful of scripture says in its historic, ancient meaning from language, dialect, culture and audience continuities.

Thanks for creating this thread. It's a good topic of study.

BTW

Well said