If churches are failing, how can they be improved

[GeneZ]

Being all things to all people is not a matter of compromising on doctrinal truth, like going into a bar and getting drunk in order to minister to drunks...

BTW

What are you looking for?
All churches to be standardized?

How are there going to be winners and losers, for God to determine what awards will be given out,
and who will be denied awards?

As Jesus told Peter after asking about the status of another disciple...

.................... What is that to you? Follow me!

Get yourself good teaching.

Only a few will find it.

 

[GeneZ]

God Doesn’t Care That You’re Jewish — and Neither Should the Church


Romans 2:28–29 (Paul — a Jew)
“A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.
No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code.”

Translation: Your bloodline is worthless. The only identity that matters is one transformed by the Spirit.

Galatians 3:28–29
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Translation: You aren’t Abraham’s seed because of your genes, you’re his seed because you belong to Christ. Period.
There's not a person on earth who can prove they're genetically related to Abraham and even if they could, God doesn't care.

Titus 3:9
“But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.”
Translation: Your lineage is not a conversation worth having. God calls it worthless.

Philippians 3:3–8 (Paul, again, mocking his own Jewish credentials)
“We are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh—
though I myself have reasons for such confidence. If someone else thinks they have reasons… I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin… a Hebrew of Hebrews…”

“…But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ… I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ.”
Translation: Paul throws his Jewishness in the trash and dares you to do the same.

Romans 9:6–8
“For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children…
It is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise who are regarded as offspring.”


Translation: Your blood doesn’t make you Israel, only faith does. Faith in Christ to be specific.
That’s why the Body of Christ is Israel — not some secular real estate project carved up by the UN and signed in Rothschild ink in 1948.

1 Timothy 1:4
“…nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God’s work.”

Translation: All this Jewish lineage talk is nothing but spiritual clickbait that distracts from the Gospel.

Colossians 3:11
“Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised… but Christ is all, and is in all.”

Translation: Christ erased the ethnic scorecard; the only thing left is Him.

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The Cross Shattered Ethnic Boasting​

All that "I’m Jewish so I understand better" tribal smugness?
It died the moment Christ said “It is finished.”

The veil was torn.
The wall was broken.
The covenant was fulfilled.
And your bloodline means nothing.

God isn’t impressed by your ancestry.
He’s looking for faith, repentance, and new birth.

Final Word: Ephesians 2:14–16
“For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility…
to create in Himself one new man out of the two… reconciling both to God through the cross.”

Translation: There is no more Jew and Gentile, only the New Creation in Christ.

So next time someone says:

“As a Jew, I…”

Just say:

As a child of God through Christ, I don’t care and neither does He.
Your tribal bragging was nailed to the Cross and buried with the Old Covenant.
You want salvation? Drop the bloodline nonsense and come to the foot of the Cross just like everyone else.

Why are you so obsessed with Jews?
You live in a Jewish neighborhood surrounded by synagogues?

In the Church age, we become the one new man in Christ.
No longer Jew, nor gentile.

Ephesians 2:14-16​

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For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, ​

having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as ​

to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both ​

to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. ​

What is your persistent problem?????

You suffer from a bad case of antisemitism in your flesh, that you keep refusing to take to the cross.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Why are you so obsessed with Jews?
You live in a Jewish neighborhood surrounded by synagogues?

In the Church age, we become the one new man in Christ.
No longer Jew, nor gentile.

Ephesians 2:14-16​

​

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For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, ​

having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as ​

to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both ​

to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. ​

What is your persistent problem?????

You suffer from a bad case of antisemitism in your flesh, that you keep refusing to take to the cross.

“Why are you so obsessed with Jews?”

No, I’m obsessed with the Gospel, not tribal bragging.

And since every modern heresy from Scofield to Zionism revolves around ethnic favoritism and Old Covenant resurrection, someone has to stand up and say: The Cross already decided this.

“You live in a Jewish neighborhood surrounded by synagogues?”

No, but Paul did.
And he still said, “They are not all Israel who are descended from Israel” and “I consider all of that garbage that I may gain Christ.”

“In the Church age, we become the one new man in Christ.”

Exactly.
That’s literally what I said.
Which is why claiming Jewish status as some kind of divine badge is an insult to the Cross that tore the badge off.

So when someone says:

“As a Jew, I…”

They’ve already missed the Gospel.

“You suffer from a bad case of antisemitism in your flesh, that you keep refusing to take to the cross.”

False.

What I suffer from is a Church that’s too cowardly to say what Jesus, Paul, and the early Church fathers all said:

That being Jewish means nothing without Christ.
That Christ is the fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets.
That the true Israel is the Body of Christ — not the flag flying over Tel Aviv.

Calling that “antisemitism” isn’t discernment — it’s deflection.

And worse?

It’s blasphemous, because it accuses the Holy Spirit-breathed words of Paul of hatred.

That’s not discernment.
That’s deception.

I’m not "against Jews".
I’m against any system — Jewish, Gentile, Catholic, Evangelical, Zionist or pagan — that denies the Son of God.
Because he who denies the Son is antichrist. (1 John 2:22)

And yes — that includes every synagogue on earth that rejects Jesus Christ.

That’s not hate.
That’s the Bible.

So take that to the Cross.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

God Doesn’t Care That You’re Jewish — and Neither Should the Church


Romans 2:28–29 (Paul — a Jew)
“A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.
No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code.”

Translation: Your bloodline is worthless. The only identity that matters is one transformed by the Spirit.

Galatians 3:28–29
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Translation: You aren’t Abraham’s seed because of your genes, you’re his seed because you belong to Christ. Period.
There's not a person on earth who can prove they're genetically related to Abraham and even if they could, God doesn't care.

Titus 3:9
“But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.”
Translation: Your lineage is not a conversation worth having.
God calls it worthless.

Philippians 3:3–8 (Paul, again, mocking his own Jewish credentials)
“We are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh—
though I myself have reasons for such confidence. If someone else thinks they have reasons… I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin… a Hebrew of Hebrews…”

“…But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ… I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ.”

Translation: Paul throws his Jewishness in the trash and dares you to do the same.

Romans 9:6–8
“For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children…
It is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise who are regarded as offspring.”

Translation: Your blood doesn’t make you Israel, only faith does. Faith in Christ to be specific.
That’s why the Body of Christ is Israel — not some secular real estate project carved up by the UN and signed in Rothschild ink in 1948.

1 Timothy 1:4
“…nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God’s work.”

Translation: All this Jewish lineage talk is nothing but spiritual clickbait that distracts from the Gospel.

Colossians 3:11
“Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised… but Christ is all, and is in all.”

Translation: Christ erased the ethnic scorecard; the only thing left is Him.

​

The Cross Shattered Ethnic Boasting​

All that "I’m Jewish so I understand better" tribal smugness?
It died the moment Christ said “It is finished.”

The veil was torn.
The wall was broken.
The covenant was fulfilled.
And your bloodline means nothing.

God isn’t impressed by your ancestry.
He’s looking for faith, repentance, and new birth.

Final Word: Ephesians 2:14–16
“For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility…
to create in Himself one new man out of the two… reconciling both to God through the cross.”

Translation: There is no more Jew and Gentile, only the New Creation in Christ.

So next time someone says:

“As a Jew, I…”

Just say:

As a child of God through Christ, I don’t care and neither does He.
Your tribal bragging was nailed to the Cross and buried with the Old Covenant.
You want salvation? Drop the bloodline nonsense and come to the foot of the Cross just like everyone else.

You do indeed err in your understanding of what I said. Because you ASSumed my meaning rather than to extend to me the courtesy of simply asking, we'll leave it at that.

BTW

 

[BeforeThereWas]

What are you looking for?
All churches to be standardized?

How are there going to be winners and losers, for God to determine what awards will be given out,
and who will be denied awards?

As Jesus told Peter after asking about the status of another disciple...

.................... What is that to you? Follow me!

Get yourself good teaching.

Only a few will find it.

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

It's not about standardizing or anything else in any of all the man-made institutions that most call their "church." The pettiness of the institutional model is itself an exercise in futility where mutual edification is concerned. Granted...many have strong emotions of support for their "church," and that's fine if they get their warm little fuzzies in one or more of them. Go for it. However, glamorization on the basis of merely right or wrong is a lost cause, for we are ALL liars in relation to the Most High.

BTW

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

If the Bible says:

“Whoever denies the Son is antichrist” (1 John 2:22)
“No one who denies the Son has the Father” (1 John 2:23)
“They are not all Israel who are descended from Israel” (Romans 9:6)

Then it’s not a debate.
It’s not politics.
It’s Gospel truth:

Any system, (including modern rabbinic Judaism) that rejects Jesus Christ is operating in the spirit of antichrist.

So why are we sending them:

Tanks?
Billions in tax dollars?
Weapons of war?
Unquestioned allegiance?

Because the modern Church sold out the Gospel for a counterfeit covenant.

They believe the lie of:

Scofield’s footnotes over Christ’s blood
Tribal bloodlines over spiritual rebirth
1948 Tel Aviv over Acts 2 Pentecost
Flags and temples over the Cross and the Spirit

The Core of the Madness:

We are literally arming a system that officially, nationally, and theologically denies Jesus Christ — while calling it “obedience to God.”

We’re told to:

“Go into all nations and preach the Gospel”

But instead, we send missiles, not missionaries.

We act like:

Blessing Israel = funding military aid

When in reality:

“Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.” (Psalm 33:12)

Not the nation whose God is rejection of the Lord.

Let’s Be Clear:


Modern Israel is not biblical Israel.

The remnant is in Christ. Period.

The true Israel is:

Not ethnic
Not political
Not geographical
It is the Body of Christ — Jew and Gentile made one through the Cross.
(Ephesians 2:14–16, Galatians 3:28–29, Romans 11 remnant language)

So Why Are We Sending Them Billions?

Because:

The Church has been spiritually blackmailed.
They’ve been told that “opposing Israel” = opposing God.
They've been spiritually gaslit by Scofield, Zionism, and a century of propaganda.

The result?

The Bride of Christ is now funding those who reject the Groom.

That’s not theology.
That’s insanity.


I’m not "against Jews", I’m against the spirit of antichrist — no matter what nation, temple, or tradition it hides behind.

And if a nation officially denies the Son of God, then according to scripture, it is not under covenant…
It is under wrath.

So why are we sending them tanks?

Because the American Church stopped reading the Bible…
and started reading Scofield's Bible from Hell.

And now?

Atheists who are Gospel-curious open the Bible… and see the truth.
But then they look at the modern Church —
waving flags, chanting bloodlines, funding unbelief —
and they run.

Not because of Jesus…
but because they see a Church that’s been hijacked,
gaslit, and brainwashed into worshiping an antichrist nation…
instead of the King.

And meanwhile…

The very people who funded the betrayal,
sat under Scofield, waved the flag, and silenced the prophets…

Now ask,
“If the Church is failing… how do we fix it?”

Lets just say.. the church as a lot of work to do.. Its beyond lost and has been since 1909.

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[Pearl]

I hope you don't mind my saying this, but Jesus could not have been in that room to kiss him goodnight. That would have the Feet of Jesus on this earth before His second coming. Some may say it was just a dream, which is fine, but the Lord would not have done such a thing in reality, in the physical realm of this earth contrary to His written word to us. I do understand that power of emotions when hearing these kinds of stories, but we must always gauge everything in relation to the word of God to know what's real and what is not.

Don't mean to rain on anyone's outdoor birthday party, but my first wife, who passed away recently in 2021, was raised among Charismatics who routinely testified of the Lord appearing to them in various places on this earth, which is contrary to the Bible, and speaking things not at all in keeping with the word of God.

BTW

He was a little boy of 9 and that is how he described it. And a friend from church became a Christian after she was woken in the night to see Jesus sitting on her bed. Nothing about Christianity is logical but we don't accept Christ Jesus as Saviour with our intellects we accept Him with our hearts and spirits.

Also one evening as I was just sitting on my sofa reading, I knew He was in the room with me, sitting on the other sofa. It was a wonderful experience. And he talks to me, not in words one can hear but directly into my spirit. He 'speaks' to me in other ways too through the power of His Holy Spirit dwelling within me.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

So why are we sending them:

Tanks?
Billions in tax dollars?
Weapons of war?
Unquestioned allegiance?

The answer, of course, is because Yah allowed it to be this way. If you don't like what He is allowing to transpire, then perhaps you should try to shove Him off His Throne and take over yourself... I would not recommend harboring such an attitude, however, because it gets one nowhere...

Because the modern Church sold out the Gospel for a counterfeit covenant.

They believe the lie of:

Scofield’s footnotes over Christ’s blood
Tribal bloodlines over spiritual rebirth
1948 Tel Aviv over Acts 2 Pentecost
Flags and temples over the Cross and the Spirit

You are indeed speaking of man-made institutions you call the "Church." Institutionalism is not at all representative of the true (C)hurch. You are speaking of all those things out there that people call their (c)hurch or (c)hurches.

The Core of the Madness:

We are literally arming a system that officially, nationally, and theologically denies Jesus Christ — while calling it “obedience to God.”

We’re told to:

“Go into all nations and preach the Gospel”

But instead, we send missiles, not missionaries.

Yes, Israel was commanded to go into all nations with the Kingdom Gospel, but Israel fell. We fell. This leads into an entirely unrelated topic to this thread, so I will leave it at that.

We act like:

Blessing Israel = funding military aid

When in reality:

“Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.” (Psalm 33:12)

Yes, and this too was speaking directly to Israel. Have no doubt, Israel shall arise again after the Second Coming and rule the world, as much as you may hate how Yah is going to do things contrary to your liking, and IS doing things contrary to your liking.

Modern Israel is not biblical Israel.

I don't recall anyone saying that it is. Israel is still laying in the dusts of her own rejection of Messiah, as is illustrated in Luke 13.

The Bride of Christ is now funding those who reject the Groom.

The Church today is not the bride of Christ.

I’m not "against Jews", I’m against the spirit of antichrist — no matter what nation, temple, or tradition it hides behind.

You appear to favor elements of replacement theology, which is indeed of the devil.

Because the American Church stopped reading the Bible…
and started reading Scofield's Bible from Hell.

Not sure what Scofield's Bible has to do with any of this, but...whatever...

And now?

Atheists who are Gospel-curious open the Bible… and see the truth.
But then they look at the modern Church —
waving flags, chanting bloodlines, funding unbelief —
and they run.

Not because of Jesus…
but because they see a Church that’s been hijacked,
gaslit, and brainwashed into worshiping an antichrist nation…
instead of the King.

You seem to care far too much for man-made institutionalism and its expressions. Only that which is God-breathed is truly of Him, and will always succeed in relation to His good pleasure, ending in the place where He wanted them.

And meanwhile…

The very people who funded the betrayal,
sat under Scofield, waved the flag, and silenced the prophets…

Now ask,
“If the Church is failing… how do we fix it?”

Lets just say.. the church as a lot of work to do.. Its beyond lost and has been since 1909.

I don't think there's any way to fix the institutional engine to make it into something that it's not.

BTW

 

[BeforeThereWas]

He was a little boy of 9 and that is how he described it. And a friend from church became a Christian after she was woken in the night to see Jesus sitting on her bed. Nothing about Christianity is logical but we don't accept Christ Jesus as Saviour with our intellects we accept Him with our hearts and spirits.

Also one evening as I was just sitting on my sofa reading, I knew He was in the room with me, sitting on the other sofa. It was a wonderful experience. And he talks to me, not in words one can hear but directly into my spirit. He 'speaks' to me in other ways too through the power of His Holy Spirit dwelling within me.

All I can say is that Jesus sent the Comforter into our midst in this life in His place here on this earth. He had to depart so that the Comforter could be here with us. Why that is, I don't know. What I do know is that His presence is manifested through Holy Spirit. The word of God says what it says, and appeals to sensory thing such as emotions and feelings will never disprove what is written in the very word of God. The family of Charismatics into which I married through my first wife were all about stories of Jesus being among them and doing such and such on this earth, etc., all of which was and is contrary to the written word of God they claimed to believe, and yet they continued to testify of things that contradict that same word of God on the basis of what they think that they felt.

I hope you understand my staunch refusal to budge away from the absolute authority of the word of God.

BTW

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

The answer, of course, is because Yah allowed it to be this way. If you don't like what He is allowing to transpire, then perhaps you should try to shove Him off His Throne and take over yourself... I would not recommend harboring such an attitude, however, because it gets one nowhere...



You are indeed speaking of man-made institutions you call the "Church." Institutionalism is not at all representative of the true (C)hurch. You are speaking of all those things out there that people call their (c)hurch or (c)hurches.



Yes, Israel was commanded to go into all nations with the Kingdom Gospel, but Israel fell. We fell. This leads into an entirely unrelated topic to this thread, so I will leave it at that.



Yes, and this too was speaking directly to Israel. Have no doubt, Israel shall arise again after the Second Coming and rule the world, as much as you may hate how Yah is going to do things contrary to your liking, and IS doing things contrary to your liking.



I don't recall anyone saying that it is. Israel is still laying in the dusts of her own rejection of Messiah, as is illustrated in Luke 13.



The Church today is not the bride of Christ.



You appear to favor elements of replacement theology, which is indeed of the devil.



Not sure what Scofield's Bible has to do with any of this, but...whatever...



You seem to care far too much for man-made institutionalism and its expressions. Only that which is God-breathed is truly of Him, and will always succeed in relation to His good pleasure, ending in the place where He wanted them.



I don't think there's any way to fix the institutional engine to make it into something that it's not.

BTW

You're just another Scofield-brainwashed doomsday-puppet trying to sound pious while defending the most antichrist, geopolitical scam in modern history. You're not just deceived, you're doubling down on a delusion wrapped in smug, spiritual gaslighting.

You keep saying “Yah allowed it” — as if God endorses everything He permits.

By that logic, should we have funded Rome while they crucified Christ?

You’re not defending God’s will, you’re excusing your idolatry behind divine sovereignty.
And no, I don’t “want to shove God off His throne.”
I just refuse to call an antichrist, Rothschild-funded apartheid state the “apple of God’s eye” while it denies His Son.

“Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either…” (1 John 2:23)
“Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.” (Psalm 33:12)
—Not whose God is the Knesset, the IDF, or a red heifer.

You dismiss Scofield like he's irrelevant, and yet your entire worldview is a literal, carbon copy of his heretical footnotes from Hell:

Two peoples of God? Scofield.
Earthly Israel ruling post-return? Scofield.
Kingdom postponed? Scofield.
The Church not being the Bride? That’s Scofield on meth.
No Christian on EARTH, believed this blasphemous insanity before 1909. Period.

And now you're pretending "the Church isn’t the Bride" — seriously?
And you think you follow Christianity?

Paul must’ve missed that memo when he wrote:
“I betrothed you to one Husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ.” (2 Cor. 11:2)

This isn’t theology, it's Zionist cosplay dressed up in Bible verses.

You’re not honoring God — you’re helping prop up an antichrist, secular, nation-state built by men who crucified the Gospel, mocked the Messiah, and still reject Him to this day.

“If righteousness comes through the Law, Christ died in vain.” (Gal. 2:21)

You can cry “replacement theology” all you want — but you’re defending postponement theology,
which says Jesus came, He failed, and has to try again.

That’s not Christian.
That’s not biblical.
That’s open blasphemy.
And anyone who follows this garbage isn't even practicing Christianity.

Repent, before the King returns and finds you saluting the flag of unbelief, calling it "prophecy", while the true Church weeps for the deception that hijacked her.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

You're just another Scofield-brainwashed doomsday-puppet trying to sound pious while defending the most antichrist geopolitical scam in modern history. You're not just deceived, you're doubling down on a delusion wrapped in smug, spiritual gaslighting.

You keep saying “Yah allowed it” — as if God endorses everything He permits.

By that logic, should we have funded Rome while they crucified Christ?

You’re not defending God’s will, you’re excusing your idolatry behind divine sovereignty.
And no, I don’t “want to shove God off His throne.”
I just refuse to call an antichrist, Rothschild-funded apartheid state the “apple of God’s eye” while it denies His Son.

“Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either…” (1 John 2:23)
“Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.” (Psalm 33:12)
—Not whose God is the Knesset, the IDF, or a red heifer.

You dismiss Scofield like he's irrelevant, and yet your entire worldview is a literal, carbon copy of his heretical footnotes from Hell:

Two peoples of God? Scofield.
Earthly Israel ruling post-return? Scofield.
Kingdom postponed? Scofield.
The Church not being the Bride? That’s Scofield on meth.
No Christians on EARTH, believed this blasphemous insanity before 1909. Period.

And now you're pretending "the Church isn’t the Bride" — seriously?
And you think you follow Christianity?

Paul must’ve missed that memo when he wrote:
“I betrothed you to one Husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ.” (2 Cor. 11:2)

This isn’t theology, it's Zionist cosplay dressed up in Bible verses.

You’re not honoring God — you’re helping prop up an antichrist, secular, nation-state built by men who crucified the Gospel, mocked the Messiah, and still reject Him to this day.

“If righteousness comes through the Law, Christ died in vain.” (Gal. 2:21)

You can cry “replacement theology” all you want — but you’re defending postponement theology,
which says Jesus came, He failed, and has to try again.

That’s not Christian.
That’s not biblical.
That’s open blasphemy.
And anyone who follows this garbage isn't even practicing Christianity.

Repent, before the King returns and finds you saluting the flag of unbelief, calling it prophecy, while the true Church weeps for the deception that hijacked her.

You truly have mastered the skill of ad hominem...which isn't really a skill per se since it comes naturally to most, but it is what it is.

BTW

 

[Kabone]

Are you talking about a single church or the Church? First question to address is why you think it needs to change? I made a pilgrimage to my grandma’s home town. She passed decades ago and I was in the same state and decided to make the trip. I went to her church. It wasn’t ever a big congregation, but had dwindled down to like 6. They were struggling with how to grow it and keep it going or just close it altogether.
The general answer is you have to connect with the younger generation b/c they’re the future. I’ve seen churches evolve a lot over the years with the spectacle and the dancing, and they’re kids. Some don’t agree that gospel is about showmanship, and I’m not judging anyone. The reality is it’s adapt or die.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

You truly have mastered the skill of ad hominem...which isn't really a skill per se since it comes naturally to most, but it is what it is.

BTW

Ad hominem?
No, friend. That wasn’t an insult, it was an autopsy.
What I dismantled wasn’t you — it was the Scofield-Zionist fantasy theology you’re clinging to like a life raft in a storm of scripture.

When someone:

Preaches two peoples of God
  (refuted: Ephesians 2:14–16 — “He made the two into one… destroying the dividing wall”)

Denies the Church is the Bride
  (refuted: 2 Corinthians 11:2 — “I betrothed you to one Husband… to present you as a pure virgin to Christ”)

Claims unbelieving Israel still holds the covenant
  (refuted: Galatians 3:29 — “If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed”; Romans 9:6–8 — “Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel”)

Rewrites God’s timeline to fit a prophecy chart from 1909
  (refuted: Hebrews 8:13 — “He has made the first covenant obsolete”; Luke 22:20 — “This cup is the new covenant in My blood”)

Says the Church is just a “parenthesis” in God’s plan
  (refuted: Ephesians 3:4–6 — “The mystery… is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs… partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus”)

Teaches the Kingdom was postponed because the Jews rejected it
  (refuted: Mark 1:15 — “The Kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe the Gospel”)

Says animal sacrifices will return in a Third Temple
  (refuted: Hebrews 10:14 — “By one offering He has perfected forever those who are sanctified”)

Claims national Israel will reign over the world after the Second Coming
  (refuted: Revelation 5:10 — “You have made them a kingdom and priests… and they shall reign on the earth”)

Says Jesus will rule from an earthly throne in Jerusalem
  (refuted: John 4:21 — “You will neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem worship the Father”)

Declares modern, Christ-rejecting Israel “God’s chosen”
  (refuted: Romans 2:28–29 — “A true Jew is one inwardly… by the Spirit, not the letter”)

^ Refuting this Scofield/Rothschild scheme from 1909 isn’t me being “mean.”
It’s me doing exactly what Paul did when false teachers tried to rebuild what Jesus already tore down.

“I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves.”
— Paul, Galatians 5:12

He didn’t hold back and neither will I.
Because this isn’t just some harmless prophecy theory, it’s a satanic diversion, a Zionist Trojan horse, and a counterfeit gospel that fractures the Body of Christ and feeds unbelief with your tithes and tanks.

You keep whining about tone, but the real problem isn’t how I said it.
The problem is what I hit.

And maybe it stings because your entire “faith” is propped up by:
A conman with a publishing contract,
A set of footnotes from Hell,
And a geopolitical idol founded by atheists, occultists, and Christ-deniers —
Not the blood-stained cross of the risen King.

You shout “Don’t touch the apple of God’s eye!”

But the Bible says:
“Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either.” (1 John 2:23)

Modern Israel — the Rothschild-funded, UN-approved secular nation — denies the Son.
Therefore, according to the Word of God, they do not have the Father.

And you’re not blessing them, you’re blessing their rebellion.

You think this is “supporting prophecy”?
No, this is funding antichrist theology with blood and missiles while calling it obedience.

You’ve traded:

Pentecost for Tel Aviv,
The New Covenant for bloodline nostalgia,
The Bride of Christ for a red heifer and a third temple to await the antichrist,
and the Gospel of the Kingdom for Scofield’s, Zionist fairytale born in Hell.

Again, no Christian on EARTH believed this blasphemous insanity before 1909.

Not Peter, not Paul, not Ignatius, not Polycarp, not Irenaeus, not Justin Martyr,
not Clement of Rome, not Clement of Alexandria, not Tertullian, not Cyprian,
not Origen, not Athanasius, not Basil the Great, not Gregory of Nyssa,
not Gregory of Nazianzus, not Ambrose, not Jerome, not Augustine,
not Chrysostom, not Hilary of Poitiers, not Ephrem the Syrian,
not Cyril of Jerusalem, not Cyril of Alexandria, not Leo the Great,
not John of Damascus, not Maximus the Confessor, not Theodoret,
not Bede, not Anselm, not Aquinas, not a single saint, bishop, elder,
or martyr in the history of the Church taught the garbage you’re defending.

Not one.

They all believed in one covenant, fulfilled in Christ.
One people of God.
One Church.
One Israel — in the Spirit.

And they would’ve rebuked Scofield’s two-track, race-based theology as a doctrinal cancer from Hell —
a blasphemous mutation that fractures the Body of Christ and denies the power of the Cross.

Because they all understood what you refuse to accept:

The Body of Christ is Israel — and there is no other.
Outside of Christ, there is nothing but judgment.

That Rothschild/UN abomination in the Middle East that you keep sending tanks, tithes, and tears for?
It’s not holy.
It’s not blessed.
It’s a geopolitical idol —
an affront to God and literally a middle finger to the risen King who already fulfilled the covenant in His blood.

Your theology doesn’t come from the apostles.
It doesn’t come from the Church.
It doesn’t come from the Holy Spirit.

It comes from Oxford Press, Rothschild money, and a convicted conman with a pen in 1909.

Repent — before the King returns,
and finds you waving the flag of unbelief,
while you call it "prophecy".

 

[GeneZ]

“Why are you so obsessed with Jews?”

No, I’m obsessed with the Gospel, not tribal bragging.

You make it into an issue by the way you keep attacking an argument that no one was presenting.


And, once someone addresses your accusation?
You accuse them of tribal bragging...

You are looking for a fight that you wish to start.

The only thing I get from you is that you have found a way to try to justify your hatred for Jews.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

You make it into an issue by the way you keep attacking an argument that no one was presenting.


And, once someone addresses your accusation?
You accuse them of tribal bragging...

You are looking for a fight that you wish to start.

The only thing I get from you is that you have found a way to try to justify your hatred for Jews.

If after all that above, two millennia of scripture, world history, doctrine, blood-soaked truth —
all you’ve got left is - “you just hate Jews, dude”...
then you’re not just under the veil —
you’re married to it.

And worse — you’re defending unbelief while accusing the Gospel itself of "hatred".

This is the last, pathetic refuge of every cornered, brainwashed Scofield disciple:

“You must hate Jews.”

No, I hate lies.
I hate doctrines that send both Jew and Gentile to hell while flying a prophetic flag and collecting tithe checks.
And I hate seeing the Cross trampled beneath a red heifer and a Rothschild flag.

So if that offends you — take it up with Paul, not me.
He’s the one who said:

“They are not all Israel who are descended from Israel…” (Romans 9:6)
“A true Jew is one inwardly, by the Spirit…” (Romans 2:29)

But if those verses sound like hatred to you?
You don’t need a debate —
You need deliverance.

And its funny, you never even asked me if I was a converted Jew or not..

Because in your world, truth is secondary to labels —
and truth with conviction sounds like "hate" when it’s aimed at your idol.

 

[Stumpmaster]

If you were a leader in the church tasked with restructuring and improving its architecture and format.

WWYD?

Are there significant improvements churches can make in the modern era with the advent of the internet, smart phones and social media?

I have that task, although I am not part of a local denominational staff hierarchy.

The first thing is to seek God's Kingdom and Righteousness, and trust that the ascension gifts of Ephesians 4 will flourish.

Eph 4:8-16 Wherefore he says, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (9) (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? (10) He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

(11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; (12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

(13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: (14) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

(15) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: (16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplies, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, makes increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

 

[GeneZ]

You do indeed err in your understanding of what I said. Because you ASSumed my meaning rather than to extend to me the courtesy of simply asking, we'll leave it at that.

BTW

It has been the way he is stuck....

I think he has never known a decent Jewish person, and only believes what he has heard from anti-semites.

My pastor used to threaten that kind to leave, and told them to go find another church, because he did not want a curse on his church.

They have no idea how evil they are. For, God is not done with the Jews yet.
Jesus could not have his millennial reign without them on earth.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

It has been the way he is stuck....

I think he has never known a decent Jewish person, and only believes what he has heard from anti-semites.

My pastor used to threaten that kind to leave, and told them to go find another church, because he did not want a curse on his church.

They have no idea how evil they are. For, God is not done with the Jews yet.
Jesus could not have his millennial reign without them on earth.

Ah… now I get it.
Your pastor was brainwashed by the Dragon himself —
waving a flag of flesh while standing on a pulpit soaked in deception.

Because no "man of God" — no matter how loud his preaching or shiny his tie —
has the right to curse someone for believing what scripture actually says.

“They are not all Israel who are descended from Israel…” (Romans 9:6)

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” (Galatians 3:29)

“For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical.
But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter.”
(Romans 2:28–29)

"…nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith." (1 Timothy 1:4)

"For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh." (Philippians 3:3)

“And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’
for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.” (Matthew 3:9)

“But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.” (Titus 3:9)

God said that genealogy is spiritually worthless — even dangerous — if used to claim “chosenness” apart from Christ.

These aren’t "anti-Semitic" verses.
They’re Gospel truth.
And if your pastor couldn’t handle them, he wasn’t "protecting his church from a curse" —
he was enforcing one and leading your entire congregation into the Gates of Hell.

You say Jesus can’t reign without ethnic Jews on the earth?
Then what was Pentecost?
What’s the Church?
Who are the saints in white robes from every tribe, tongue, and nation?

Christ doesn’t need an unbelieving nation founded by Lord Rothschild and the UN to reign.
He already reigns.
He is seated at the right hand of the Father,
and He rules through the hearts of those who are born again — Jew or Gentile alike.

“The Kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed… for behold, the Kingdom of God is in your midst.” (Luke 17:20–21)

So let me be crystal clear:

I don’t "hate Jews".
I hate doctrines that lie to Jews and lie about the Gospel,
telling them they’re “still chosen” while they reject the Son and await a third temple built for the antichrist.

That’s not "blessing Israel" —
that’s funding open rebellion and calling it "prophecy".

Repent.
Before the King returns —
and finds you silencing the truth,
while defending the very deception He came to destroy.

When Christ returns,
make sure you’re not standing too close to your "pastor".
Because the sword from His mouth isn’t going to spare false teachers.

 

[GeneZ]

Ah… now I get it.
Your pastor was brainwashed by the Dragon himself —
waving a flag of flesh while standing on a pulpit soaked in deception.

Here he is!


ROBERT B. THIEME, JR. (1918–2009) remains a significant voice of Christianity throughout the world. His diligent, expository teaching is based on the original languages of Scripture in light of the historical context in which the Bible was written. His innovative systems of vocabulary, illustrations, and biblical categories clearly communicate the infallible truths of God’s Word. Thieme recorded more than eleven thousand hours of sermons and published more than one hundred books covering much of the Bible.


Thieme graduated from the University of Arizona (Phi Beta Kappa) and Dallas Theological Seminary (summa cum laude). His seminary studies were interrupted by World War II military service during which he rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel in the United States Army Air Corps. After completion of his graduate work in 1950, he became pastor of Berachah Church in Houston, Texas. His extensive training in Greek, Hebrew, theology, history, and textual criticism provided the foundation for his demanding professional life of studying and teaching the Word of God. Thieme retired as pastor of Berachah Church after fifty-three years of faithful service.

Please!
Keep talking....

I am just getting others to get to know more of what you are like!
Knew that would get a rise out of your uncontrollable emotions.

You have to learn:
Conspiracy theories can never replace sound doctrine,

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Here he is!
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ROBERT B. THIEME, JR. (1918–2009) remains a significant voice of Christianity throughout the world. His diligent, expository teaching is based on the original languages of Scripture in light of the historical context in which the Bible was written. His innovative systems of vocabulary, illustrations, and biblical categories clearly communicate the infallible truths of God’s Word. Thieme recorded more than eleven thousand hours of sermons and published more than one hundred books covering much of the Bible.


Thieme graduated from the University of Arizona (Phi Beta Kappa) and Dallas Theological Seminary (summa cum laude). His seminary studies were interrupted by World War II military service during which he rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel in the United States Army Air Corps. After completion of his graduate work in 1950, he became pastor of Berachah Church in Houston, Texas. His extensive training in Greek, Hebrew, theology, history, and textual criticism provided the foundation for his demanding professional life of studying and teaching the Word of God. Thieme retired as pastor of Berachah Church after fifty-three years of faithful service.

Please!
Keep talking....

I am just getting others to get to know more of what you are like!
Knew that would get a rise out of your uncontrollable emotions.

You have to learn:
Conspiracy theories can never replace sound doctrine,

Well now, that explains everything…
Dallas Theological Seminary has been misleading people into the gates of hell for over 100 years.

Built on the heresy of C.I. Scofield, funded through Oxford Press with suspicious backing from Zionist-connected European elites, and baptized in academic polish — DTS didn’t preserve the Gospel; it butchered it.
It dismembered the Cross, scattered the pieces, and replaced it with a color-coded flowchart.

The founder? Lewis Sperry Chafer — Scofield’s personal disciple and doctrinal heir.

The doctrine? Dispensationalism — a theological scam that splits God’s people, delays the Kingdom, and recasts the Cross and Christ Himself as a failed, rejected offer. (you read that right, they preach that Jesus failed)

The mission? Train pastors to idolize Rothschild’s manufactured Israel, ignore the Gospel, fracture the covenants, and parrot Scofield’s blasphemous footnotes from the pit like they were scripture itself.

And how did Scofield — a disbarred, convicted-conman with no theological credentials — end up published by Oxford University Press in 1909?

Because someone very powerful wanted his theology in every pulpit in America —
And I can tell you right now... It wasn’t Jesus Christ.

What Scofield started, Dallas finished:

A Church obsessed with timelines instead of truth
A Gospel gutted of power and sectioned like a cadaver
An army of pastors trained to worship a red heifer and a flag, not the Lamb of God.

They called it “rightly dividing the Word” —
But what they actually divided was the Body of Christ.
And millions followed them off the cliff right into the arms of the Dragon.

And now?

You’ve got Gentile believers praying for the return of animal sacrifices,
cheering for the rebuilding of a temple God Himself tore down,
and calling it “biblical”...

When in reality?

They are literally building a temple for the Antichrist.

Yes — you read that right.

These brainwashed, Scofield-soaked disciples are funding, defending, and celebrating the very system the Beast will walk into.

The veil was torn in two.
But they’re sewing it back up with tithe money and blood-soaked flags.

The Cross cried, “It is finished.”
But they scream, “Not yet — we need a third temple!”
(No doubt with God with his face in his hands, in absolute disbelief)

And the Father, who tore the veil with His own hand, now looks on — with sorrow, not surprise — as they try to stitch it shut with blood, brick, and blasphemy.

This is not Christianity.
This is doctrinal treason.
No Christian on earth believed this heresy until 1909.

Scofield drew the map.
Dallas paved the road.
And the modern Church has been driving toward apostasy ever since.

The worst part?

They think they’re honoring God —
When they’re prepping the stage for the Man of Sin.

Dallas didn’t just mislead the Church.
It helped dig the theological tunnel through which the Antichrist will enter.

And if that offends you?

Take it up with Paul —
Because he warned you this would happen —

that “in the last days many would fall away” (2 Thessalonians 2:3),
that “even if an angel preaches another gospel, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8),
that “not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel” (Romans 9:6),
that “a true Jew is one inwardly, by the Spirit” (Romans 2:29),
that “we are the circumcision, who put no confidence in the flesh” (Philippians 3:3),
and that “Christ made the two into one new man, destroying the wall of hostility” (Ephesians 2:14–16).

But Scofield ignored him.
Dallas buried him.
And the modern Evangelical Church now calls what Paul condemned… “sound doctrine.”

Yea —
If the Dragon is your sugar daddy.


Repent, you're under the veil.

Every false Zionist idol of modern “Evangelicalism” is reduced to rubble with actual Scripture.
That's why they run from it...