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You need a lot of help. Just because you are ignorant in relation to the topic, it does not mean that God ordained for the rest of us to be ignorant in relation to it as well.
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Today, 6-29-25, Israel was not bombed overnight.
However Israel's IDF did Kill more Terrorists in Gaza, and will tomorrow.
Why?
Becasuse its Kill or be Killed, and Israel has no choice.
Its a shame that all young Israeli's have to become a Soldier just to try to stay alive, and keep Israel alive.
Most 20 yr olds in this world who are not imprisoned in a Dictatorship.... are having babies, going to the beach, shopping at the Mall......
Here is what you get to do if you are a 18-22 yr old FEMALE in Israel.
One day soon, God is going to put a complete end to the Devil's work....and there will be no ISLAM and there will be Peace on Earth.
But today is not that day.
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However Israel's IDF did Kill more Terrorists in Gaza, and will tomorrow.
Why?
Becasuse its Kill or be Killed, and Israel has no choice.
Its a shame that all young Israeli's have to become a Soldier just to try to stay alive, and keep Israel alive.
Most 20 yr olds in this world who are not imprisoned in a Dictatorship.... are having babies, going to the beach, shopping at the Mall......
Here is what you get to do if you are a 18-22 yr old FEMALE in Israel.
One day soon, God is going to put a complete end to the Devil's work....and there will be no ISLAM and there will be Peace on Earth.
But today is not that day.
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[I wrote this about 23 years ago, but it's still relevant.]
To understand more clearly what God foretold concerning the events that would take place between the nation of Israel and the Arab nations in these latter days, we need to trace these nations history back to their roots.
Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac (he also afterwards had other descendants – Gen. 25:1-6). Isaac had twin sons, Esau and Jacob. Jacob was later renamed Israel by God, and the Israelites are his descendants. Esau (who was also called Edom) married a descendant of Ishmael named Bashemath, or Mahalath, (Gen. 28:9 & 36:3), and from Ishmael and Esau, together with Ammon and Moab (descendants of Abraham’s brother Haran) came the Arabs.
Ezekiel 35:2,5 (KJV):
In Eze. 35:5[1] God refers to the “perpetual hatred” between the descendants of Esau and Israel. Today Israel is surrounded by the descendants of Esau (Arabs), and they still have a hatred for Israel.
God foretold to Israel that he would scatter them amongst all the nations of the world (Deu. 28:64), and that he would in the latter days gather them back to their homeland (Deu. 30:3,5). This has already been fulfilled, with the nation of Israel having been re-established in 1948.
God also foretold the events that are to take place in these latter days, after Israel had been gathered back to their homeland. He tells us that the Arab nations shall conspire together against Israel to destroy them. Psalm 83:1-8:
“Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: the tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes; Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot.”
This lists all of the nations that surround Israel today (Assur, for example, is Syria), and we can deduce that this is prophetic rather than telling of past events because these nations have never before all joined together against Israel.
Note that Ps. 83 mentions “crafty counsel” against Israel. Compare this with the PLO’s Phased Plan of 1974, which is still their plan. In brief it states:
God tells us that the Arabs, and eventually all nations, shall gather together against Israel and that they shall overcome it by force. But then God says that he will fight for Israel and defeat those nations “by the hand of my people Israel”, i.e. Israel shall fight back and defeat them. This will been seen to be the work of God in the same way as in Israel’s past they were able to defeat nations that were stronger and outnumbered them because of God’s help. Shortly after this it will become apparent to all nations that Christ is reigning on earth. Consider the following verses:
Zechariah 12:2,3 - Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Zechariah 14:2 - For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zechariah 12:9 - And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Zechariah 14:3 - Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Ezekiel 25:14-16 - And I will lay my vengeance upon Edom by the hand of my people Israel: and they shall do in Edom according to mine anger and according to my fury; and they shall know my vengeance, saith the Lord GOD. Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the Philistines have dealt by revenge, and have taken vengeance with a despiteful heart, to destroy it for the old hatred; {or, perpetual hatred} therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast.
(The Gaza strip is the southern part of what was the land of the Philistines.)
1 Thessalonians 5:3 - For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
[1] Mount Seir is the previous name for Edom, which is south of the Dead Sea. Edom was what Esau was called after he sold his birthright to Jacob for some red lentil soup. Edom means ‘red’.
The Perpetual Hatred
To understand more clearly what God foretold concerning the events that would take place between the nation of Israel and the Arab nations in these latter days, we need to trace these nations history back to their roots.
Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac (he also afterwards had other descendants – Gen. 25:1-6). Isaac had twin sons, Esau and Jacob. Jacob was later renamed Israel by God, and the Israelites are his descendants. Esau (who was also called Edom) married a descendant of Ishmael named Bashemath, or Mahalath, (Gen. 28:9 & 36:3), and from Ishmael and Esau, together with Ammon and Moab (descendants of Abraham’s brother Haran) came the Arabs.
Ezekiel 35:2,5 (KJV):
(2) Son of man, set thy face against mount Seir, and prophesy against it,
(5) Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:
In Eze. 35:5[1] God refers to the “perpetual hatred” between the descendants of Esau and Israel. Today Israel is surrounded by the descendants of Esau (Arabs), and they still have a hatred for Israel.
God foretold to Israel that he would scatter them amongst all the nations of the world (Deu. 28:64), and that he would in the latter days gather them back to their homeland (Deu. 30:3,5). This has already been fulfilled, with the nation of Israel having been re-established in 1948.
God also foretold the events that are to take place in these latter days, after Israel had been gathered back to their homeland. He tells us that the Arab nations shall conspire together against Israel to destroy them. Psalm 83:1-8:
“Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: the tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes; Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot.”
This lists all of the nations that surround Israel today (Assur, for example, is Syria), and we can deduce that this is prophetic rather than telling of past events because these nations have never before all joined together against Israel.
Note that Ps. 83 mentions “crafty counsel” against Israel. Compare this with the PLO’s Phased Plan of 1974, which is still their plan. In brief it states:
- Through the “armed struggle” (i.e. terrorism), to establish an “independent combatant national authority” over any territory that is “liberated” from Israeli rule. (Article 2)
- To continue the struggle against Israel, using the territory of the national authority as a base of operations. (Article 4)
- To provoke an all-out war in which Israel’s Arab’s neighbours destroy it entirely (“liberate all Palestinian territory”). (Article 8)
God tells us that the Arabs, and eventually all nations, shall gather together against Israel and that they shall overcome it by force. But then God says that he will fight for Israel and defeat those nations “by the hand of my people Israel”, i.e. Israel shall fight back and defeat them. This will been seen to be the work of God in the same way as in Israel’s past they were able to defeat nations that were stronger and outnumbered them because of God’s help. Shortly after this it will become apparent to all nations that Christ is reigning on earth. Consider the following verses:
Zechariah 12:2,3 - Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Zechariah 14:2 - For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zechariah 12:9 - And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Zechariah 14:3 - Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Ezekiel 25:14-16 - And I will lay my vengeance upon Edom by the hand of my people Israel: and they shall do in Edom according to mine anger and according to my fury; and they shall know my vengeance, saith the Lord GOD. Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the Philistines have dealt by revenge, and have taken vengeance with a despiteful heart, to destroy it for the old hatred; {or, perpetual hatred} therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast.
(The Gaza strip is the southern part of what was the land of the Philistines.)
1 Thessalonians 5:3 - For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
[1] Mount Seir is the previous name for Edom, which is south of the Dead Sea. Edom was what Esau was called after he sold his birthright to Jacob for some red lentil soup. Edom means ‘red’.
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Most of the people who obsess on "end times" teaching..... do so at the expense of learning more important theology.
A few years ago the Religious Jews in Israel claimed they found their Messiah.
They posted His photo on the City Transit buses, usually on the back so you would see His big face when you were in your car and stuck behind a bus.
They posted his photo in their Hotel Lobby... and in their food shops on the wall, and in their living rooms.
I would go to the store, and as im checking out, i look at the wall behind the cashier and there is the "messiah".
He died, and never changed the world......so, they are "still looking"., tho many still believe he was the one.
Take a look..
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Davy
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Not... already been fulfilled. The Deuteronomy 30:3 event is still future, because it will involve ALL twelve tribes of Israel, not just the small remnant of Jews that returned in 1948. The 2 'houses' of Israel which God did are still... apart to this day. Israel is divided into "two nations", and won't become one nation again per God's promises to their fathers until Lord Jesus Christ returns, which is what the subject of Ezekiel 37 is about, i.e., the joining of the two symbolic 'sticks' of Israel.
As of today, the Jews in the nation state of Israel only represent the Biblical "house of Judah", and not the ten tribe "house of Israel" which is still scattered in the nations today. As a matter of fact, the MAJORITY of Jews are still scattered in the nations today, not having been gathered yet.
Still NOT... the nation list given in the Ezekiel 38 chapter about the attack upon Israel at the very end of this world. Just because those Arab nations have been gathering against Israel in the middle east does not mean they have succeeded in destroying Israel. It's easy to rattle the saber before it's time, and that's all you are doing here.
I don't understand your criticism. You quoted my quote of Psalms 83, then said that the passage of Ezekiel 38 has not happened yet, but I never mentioned the prophecy against Gog, nor said that it has already happened!
My post was about the perpetual hatred that the arabs have for the Jews, and that their current plotting against Israel, saying “let’s destroy them as a nation, that the name of Israel may be remembered no more” (Psalms 83:4) was foretold. Their conspiring against Israel has already been, and still is being fulfilled!
I am not doing any sabre-rattling! (Sabre-rattling is an “ostentatious display of military power”, or a threat of using military power.)
What is perhaps more relevant to today is the passage I quoted from Ezekiel 25 (WEB):
(14) I will lay my vengeance on Edom by the hand of my people Israel. They will do in Edom according to my anger and according to my wrath. Then they will know my vengeance,” says the Lord Yahweh.
(15) “‘Thus says the Lord Yahweh: “Because the Philistines have taken revenge, and have taken vengeance with contempt of soul to destroy with perpetual hostility;”
(16) therefore thus says the Lord Yahweh, “Behold, I will stretch out my hand on the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethites, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast.
(17) I will execute great vengeance on them with wrathful rebukes. Then they will know that I am Yahweh, when I lay my vengeance on them.”’”
The Cherethites were the inhabitants of the southern portion of Philistia - the modern day Gaza strip. God said that He will take vengence on them because of "their practice to carry out retribution, accompanied by extraordinary malice in their personal vendettas—vendettas that spring from their everlasting hostility" (verse 15, ISV), and God said that He will "execute great vengeance on them" by the hand of His people Israel. What we're currently seeing happening in Gaza might be fulfillment of that.
LoveYeshua
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Brakelite
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Sounds like a parallel to the same crazy nonsense that many teach about Israel doing stuff before Jesus comes back.
Ronald David Bruno
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That maybe the narrow view of the Shiites, but what about the rest of them? Simply, Satan wants to thwart God's plan for His sheep, part of whom will be a remnant Jewish population. His new elected Antichrist(s) _ when he takes the helm _ along with all his followers ( antichrists as well) _ will persecute Jews and Christians. Satan persecuted the Jews and tried to wipe them out through Hitler. Now his mission will be even greater.
"Cult inside demonic Islam, that's hijacking it"? Evil inside of evil? It's all evil! I think we can say that all false religions are part of Satan's massive cult, which by definition is a group that's enslaved by it's leader, Satan - unbeknownst to most of them. Whether we see them as extreme religious or philosphical beliefs and practices or subtle and passive - he's got them any which way works, whichever way you fancy. Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all belief systems in opposition to Christ are all false religions generated by Satan. He is the Father of lies. So as it may seem that Islam's terrorist workers are few, all Muslims are under Satan's influence. The bottom line in all false religions and atheism as well: stay away from Jesus, don't put your faith in him for salvation ... our religion is better! Satan does not care whichever path you chose that rejects Jesus, just that you remain blind and follow the wide path that leads to destruction.
Satan has been trying to Kill the Jews ever since GENESIS when He was told that the Seed of that Woman is going to "crush your head".
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And who is the "Devil's Seed"...... as written in Gen 3?
Its ALL THE UNBELIEVERS ........every single one.
Reader...........how do you stop being a "seed of the Devil"?......With Him as your FATHER?
A.). "You must be born again" = by ANOTHER SPIRITUAL FATHER.......The Father of Jesus... so that HE becomes your Heavenly Father.
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Satan had Harod the King of Judaea try to find and kill Baby Jesus......and 144,000 Jewish children were butchered.
Recently Satan had Hamas Kill 1500 Jews... Oct 7, 2023....and many were children.. Many of them were set on fire or placed in ovens and the heat turned up all the way.......and left to cook.
So, it is with the Devil and those He owns, using ISLAM and similar to try to "end the Jew". and "end the Christian".
It'll never happen, but Satan is certainly inspired to keep trying.
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LoveYeshua
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Today is not the day true but I see it coming within a generation, sings of this can be seen at this time.
Would you know anything about a third temple being prepared on temple mount or in the city of David?
Blessings
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