PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

[rebuilder 454]

That is one sorry... excuse to NOT heed Lord Jesus' Own Words there in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 about the events of His future return and gathering of His Church AFTER the tribulation.

The last phrase of Matt.24:31 is about the gathering of the 'asleep' saints which Paul said Jesus will bring with Him from the heavenly. Paul said they will be RESURRECTED first (1 Thess.4:13-16).

Then the last phrase of Mark 13:27 is about the gathering of the saints that are still alive on earth, the very 1 Thess.4:17 Scripture that Paul taught.

That Jesus mentioned His angels will be involved in that gathering does not change those Scriptures being about His coming after the trib, and gathering of His saints to Himself.

So true.
After the 7 yr 70th week ( postrib) Jesus gathers us from heaven as your verse indicates.

 

[rebuilder 454]

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Thank you for your opinion.

Jesus words conveyed.
Just reporting Jesus words ,no matter what others opinions are.

 

[No Pre-TB]

No matter where we are at on the Eschatological time line, the return of Christ has always been imminent.

Paul refuted immanence in 2 Thess 2. Please take a look at the word enistemi in verse 2. Enistemi is only used in the present or future tense. Never the past.

Paul was not telling the Thessalonians that they had missed a rapture/resurrection (past tense). Rather, Paul was telling them Christ could not come very soon or at least in the near future because two prerequisites must come first. And until those two prerequisites happen, he remains in heaven till the time for the restoration of all things per Acts 3:21

 

[No Pre-TB]

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Jesus words conveyed.
Just reporting Jesus words ,no matter what others opinions are.

You didn’t report Jesus’s words, there was no citation. You convey your own opinion. Thank you for your opinion.

 

[rebuilder 454]

You didn’t report Jesus’s words, there was no citation. You convey your own opinion. Thank you for your opinion.

Just rest that Jesus preached pretrib but in your mind of omission, Jesus never said it.

You could care less if I did post them.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Paul refuted immanence in 2 Thess 2. Please take a look at the word enistemi in verse 2. Enistemi is only used in the present or future tense. Never the past.

Paul was not telling the Thessalonians that they had missed a rapture/resurrection (past tense). Rather, Paul was telling them Christ could not come very soon or at least in the near future because two prerequisites must come first. And until those two prerequisites happen, he remains in heaven till the time for the restoration of all things per Acts 3:21

I am pretrib and adhere closely to what Paul said.
1) falling away.
2) the A C REVEALED.
( Not in power, JUST REVEALED)
....AHEM...AS IN REVEALED , THEN the rapture the next day.

Pretrib rapture is the only position that adheres to the bible.
You guys omit or Reframe over six or eight verses to make your doctrine fit

 

[The Light]

The fact the 144k are redeemed tells us they are part of the church. I believe they will be part of the resurrection or rapture, but a single event that includes all the dead and living at that 1 time.

I wanted to add something.

We can prove that your contention is incorrect because of the following verses.

Revelation 14
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

The scripture says that the 144,000 are redeemed from the earth and are before the throne as first fruits. First fruits are presented to the priest.

So this example of the 144,000 prove that there are raptures that occur that are not on the last day.