Standing… Survey… YES or NO………………?ONCE SAV-ED…SAV-ED FOREVER [OSAS)?

[Big Boy Johnson]

It Was NOT Jesus’ mission nor a man IN Christs’s mission TO Force anyone to Believe.

The calvinists claim thru so called irresistible the Lord "forces" and "makes" the people He wants to be saved to get saved.

Then they claim He "forces" and "makes" those He wants to go to hell to not get saved.

The calvinists teach this stuff because they are a cult that does not go by what God teaches in His Word and instead they follow John Calvin who is their idol so they are really in to the whole idolatry thing.

Some of them even have the John Calvin bobble head doll on the dash of their car!

 

[LoveYeshua]

Yes.
Just as our Lord said.

where did Jesus say we are saved forever? I know he said something else.

 

[Gideon300]

where did Jesus say we are saved forever? I know he said something else.

What part of eternal life is not eternal?

 

[Behold]

Jesus is our Salvaiton.

How long does He last?....is how long "Salvation" lasts.

Not really an IQ test, is it.

 

[LoveYeshua]

What part of eternal life is not eternal?

@Behold
Jesus had a lot to say about salvation and he taught that the path to eternal life is narrow and that few find it. In Matthew 7:13-14, He said;

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."
This shows that salvation is not guaranteed for everyone, and only those who stay faithful and follow His teachings will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Jesus also warned that some would hear the word and believe for a while, but eventually fall away. In the Parable of the Sower, He explained;

"But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles." (Matthew 13:20-21).
This illustrates that some will start their walk with God but will not persevere when faced with trials or temptations.

In John 15:6, Jesus made it even clearer, saying;
"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."
Here, Jesus compares Himself to a vine and believers as branches. A branch must remain connected to the vine to stay alive and bear fruit. If a person disconnects from Christ through disobedience or unbelief, they wither spiritually and face eternal judgment.

The original apostles also confirmed this truth. Peter warned in 2 Peter 2:20-21;

"For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them."
This shows that a person who was once saved and returns to sin is in a worse condition than before they knew the truth.

James also affirmed this truth when he said;

"Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."
(James 5:19-20).
This verse reveals that a believer can wander away from the truth and face spiritual death unless they repent and return to God.

The Bible does provide examples of those who lost their salvation. Judas Iscariot was one of the twelve apostles chosen by Jesus, yet he betrayed the Lord for thirty pieces of silver. Jesus Himself said about Judas;

"It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." (Matthew 26:24).
This shows that Judas was once in the faith but fell away and was lost.

Another example is Balaam, a prophet who once heard from God but later led Israel into sin for personal gain. Peter referred to him, saying,

"They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor." (2 Peter 2:15). King Saul is yet another example; he was chosen and anointed by God but later disobeyed and rebelled, and the Spirit of God departed from him (1 Samuel 16:14)

Jesus' words make it clear that salvation is not a one-time event but requires endurance and faithfulness until the end. As He said in Matthew 24:13, "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Therefore, those who abide in Christ, obey His commandments, and remain faithful will receive eternal life. However, those who turn away from Him and return to sin risk losing their salvation and facing eternal separation from God: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."Rev 14:12

So yes absolutely salvation can le lost! Jesus said clearly so.

@Behold , you asked before "until the end of what what? in reference to Matthew 24:13, the answer is simple until our death! We have to stay firm in the faith and never wander.

Blessings.

 

[Nancy]

@Behold
Jesus had a lot to say about salvation and he taught that the path to eternal life is narrow and that few find it. In Matthew 7:13-14, He said;

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."
This shows that salvation is not guaranteed for everyone, and only those who stay faithful and follow His teachings will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Jesus also warned that some would hear the word and believe for a while, but eventually fall away. In the Parable of the Sower, He explained;

"But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles." (Matthew 13:20-21).
This illustrates that some will start their walk with God but will not persevere when faced with trials or temptations.

In John 15:6, Jesus made it even clearer, saying;
"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."
Here, Jesus compares Himself to a vine and believers as branches. A branch must remain connected to the vine to stay alive and bear fruit. If a person disconnects from Christ through disobedience or unbelief, they wither spiritually and face eternal judgment.

The original apostles also confirmed this truth. Peter warned in 2 Peter 2:20-21;

"For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them."
This shows that a person who was once saved and returns to sin is in a worse condition than before they knew the truth.

James also affirmed this truth when he said;

"Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."
(James 5:19-20).
This verse reveals that a believer can wander away from the truth and face spiritual death unless they repent and return to God.

The Bible does provide examples of those who lost their salvation. Judas Iscariot was one of the twelve apostles chosen by Jesus, yet he betrayed the Lord for thirty pieces of silver. Jesus Himself said about Judas;

"It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." (Matthew 26:24).
This shows that Judas was once in the faith but fell away and was lost.

Another example is Balaam, a prophet who once heard from God but later led Israel into sin for personal gain. Peter referred to him, saying,

"They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor." (2 Peter 2:15). King Saul is yet another example; he was chosen and anointed by God but later disobeyed and rebelled, and the Spirit of God departed from him (1 Samuel 16:14)

Jesus' words make it clear that salvation is not a one-time event but requires endurance and faithfulness until the end. As He said in Matthew 24:13, "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Therefore, those who abide in Christ, obey His commandments, and remain faithful will receive eternal life. However, those who turn away from Him and return to sin risk losing their salvation and facing eternal separation from God: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."Rev 14:12

So yes absolutely salvation can le lost! Jesus said clearly so.

@Behold , you asked before "until the end of what what? in reference to Matthew 24:13, the answer is simple until our death! We have to stay firm in the faith and never wander.

Blessings.

 

[pandaflower]

where did Jesus say we are saved forever? I know he said something else.

There is no such Jesus.

Our Jesus brings eternal security in his salvation.
Besides God,there is no savior.

 

[Jay Ross]

Our Jesus brings eternal security in his salvation.

This is true.

However, we must be secure in the Hope that Christ's Salvation will being for us.

If we are secure in His hope, then no matter what befalls us in this present life, we will not turn away from His promises.

 

[pandaflower]

This is true.

However, we must be secure in the Hope that Christ's Salvation will being for us.

If we are secure in His hope, then no matter what befalls us in this present life, we will not turn away from His promises.

I believe the security is of and from our father in heaven. It is his free eternal grace gift to his children.
It is not of nor from us. This is so we cannot boast we contribute to our own eternal state in God's salvation.

 

[David in NJ]

YES

YES = If we continue in Christ and do not turn away.


2 Timothy 2:11-13

This is a faithful saying:

For if we died with Him,
We shall also live with Him.
If we endure,
We shall also reign with Him.
If we deny Him,
He also will deny us.
If we are faithless,
He remains faithful;
He cannot deny Himself.

 

[David in NJ]

I believe the security is of and from our father in heaven. It is his free eternal grace gift to his children.
It is not of nor from us. This is so we cannot boast we contribute to our own eternal state in God's salvation.

While i AGREE with the Truth you expressed: the FATHER is in Control and no one can takes us out of his hands.

One isolated scripture must be linked to all the scriptures for the Big Picture and Complete Truth

Example of the Big Picture = Hebrews 12:1-2

Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus,
the Author and Finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame,
and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

​

 

[pandaflower]

YES = If we continue in Christ and do not turn away.


2 Timothy 2:11-13

This is a faithful saying:

For if we died with Him,
We shall also live with Him.
If we endure,
We shall also reign with Him.
If we deny Him,
He also will deny us.
If we are faithless,
He remains faithful;
He cannot deny Himself.

I sub.it that Timothy verse does not say we can lose our eternal security.

I believe God preordained it. We are therefore one with and within him. He cannot then deny himself when we are reborn in God's image and likeness.

 

[pandaflower]

While i AGREE with the Truth you expressed: the FATHER is in Control and no one can takes us out of his hands.

One isolated scripture must be linked to all the scriptures for the Big Picture and Complete Truth

Example of the Big Picture = Hebrews 12:1-2

Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus,
the Author and Finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame,
and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

​

Correct. I agree. No one can take us out of his hands.

I believe we would then contradict ourselves if we in any way insist we can take ourselves out of his hands.

If we endure,that term, I believe is reassurance. Not regarding a conditional warning.
We are assured when we go through the trials of life,when we arrive at our end we will have done so in his eternal assurance of security in his Salvific protections. An armor,if you will.

 

[Taken]

Correct. I agree. No one can take us out of his hands.

I believe we would then contradict ourselves if we in any way insist we can take ourselves out of his hands.

If we endure,that term, I believe is reassurance. Not regarding a conditional warning.
We are assured when we go through the trials of life,when we arrive at our end we will have done so in his eternal assurance of security in his Salvific protections. An armor,if you will.

I believe THEY IN Christ…
Are Raptured, Before the Trib.

I believe… IF “/we/“ endure to the end, Applies to…
“UnConfessed…Not IN Christ” Believers…who continue their belief to the moment of their bodily death…
That at THAT Time God will save their soul…
And their body shall be raised…
First Resurrection.

1 Thes. 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

That will Apply “ massively “ IMO “during the Last days Trib”


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[David in NJ]

Correct. I agree. No one can take us out of his hands.

I believe we would then contradict ourselves if we in any way insist we can take ourselves out of his hands.

If we endure,that term, I believe is reassurance. Not regarding a conditional warning.
We are assured when we go through the trials of life,when we arrive at our end we will have done so in his eternal assurance of security in his Salvific protections. An armor,if you will.

I believe THEY IN Christ…
Are Raptured, Before the Trib.

I believe… IF “/we/“ endure to the end, Applies to…
“UnConfessed…Not IN Christ” Believers…who continue their belief to the moment of their bodily death…
That at THAT Time God will save their soul…
And their body shall be raised…
First Resurrection.

1 Thes. 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

That will Apply “ massively “ IMO “during the Last days Trib”


Glory to God,
Taken

You know that i love you and i know you love me

Please make sure you follow the Order of His Coming as commanded in the Gospel and 1&2 Thess and 1 Cor ch15

SHALOM

 

[Angelina]

no

 

[Taken]

You know that i love you and i know you love me

Please make sure you follow the Order of His Coming as commanded in the Gospel and 1&2 Thess and 1 Cor ch15

SHALOM

Yes.
Order and Way God has planned.

In brief.

* Jesus First.
* Comes forth out from God IN High, above the Heaven of Heavens, to Earth.
* Reveal He is the Christ.
* He returns to “High” Heaven.
* For centuries, men Choose (without seeing) to Believe and Confess their Belief and Allegiance TO Him.
* Jesus descends from “High” Heaven to Lower Heaven (clouds),
* They ( who ) Confessed, (belief / allegiance) TO Christ Jesus, Are summoned up to MEET Him IN the Clouds.
(1Thes. 4: 16-17)

* Believers / without confessed allegiance...
* Non- Believers…
Remain ON the Earth, to begin experiencing;
* A series of Judgements, increasing in Severity.
* Judgments, (Tribulations and Wrath)sent down from Heaven, upon the whole world, it’s inhabitants…
* For having Rejected…
-Gods offering…
-The Lamb of Gods Offering…

They WHO, Accepted the Lambs Offering…
Called IN Christ, Are IN the Clouds, with The Lord…
While The Wrath and Tribulations Judgements are sent From Heaven upon the Whole Earth and it’s Inhabitants.

* the divided… with the Lord, without the Lord… Separation (in the clouds / on the Earth …IS Effected.

* On Earth…Dividing Continues…during the Trib & Wrath sent from Heaven;
Believers / Non-Believers / men Becoming Believers continually being Divided…and Separated….With or Without the Lord God.

The Separating…”IN Christ” ARE With Christ The Lord” …
* Spiritually… ARE (With out Seeing) With Him Forever”
* Redeemed…ARE “IN “His Presence / With Him and SEE Him / Forever.”

1 Thes. 4:
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

They IN Christ… ARE divided AND Separated via Being Redeemed , Claimed, Taken, Raptured) from those ; Not IN Christ.

They IN Christ…Thus so Redeemed…Henceforth SEE Him, as He is, Are Bodily Glorified As He IS, Are With Him where He Goes… and His Next Place to Go From the Clouds… is Return to Earth, to Govern over His Kingdom… of holy angels, redeemed saints, and believing mortals upon the face of the Earth and their Nations. (Void of the presence of fallen angels)…
1,000 years… then …
Another Division
Another Separation
Another Gathering of THEY With the Lord God…
Finalizing… the Separation of THEY… Against the Lord God.

* My Election / choice was To hear, learn, verify, WHAT Gift the Lord God Offered…
* HOW, (according to His WAY) To Accept His Accepting The Lords Gods Offering, of His Gift of Salvation…
* And did so, (Without SEEING) Accept His Salvation Gift Offering…By, Through, Of Trusting Him, His Word, His Power, His Grace, His Forgiveness, His Promise of Redemption, His Promise to be and Remain With me Forever, His Promise of Escaping His Wrath and His Great and Terrible Tribulations.

No one Knows WHEN…God shall send His Wrath and Judgements…

Everyone Has FREEWILL to Choose IF and WHEN… they Shall be Divided and Separated unto the Lord God…or Not.

Some elect…assuredness…Trusting…
1John 4:
[4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Some elect…wait and “SEE” and then scramble to be included WITH God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

YES = If we continue in Christ and do not turn away.



2 Timothy 2:11-13

This is a faithful saying:

For if we died with Him,

Died with Him…(crucified)
One group of “WE”…
Converted IN Christ.

If we endure…

Another One group of “WE”…(bodily physical death)
Believers IN Jesus, but Not Converted IN Christ.

Christ Redeems They IN Christ…Body, soul, spirit risen; Rapture
1 Thes. 4: 16-17


God Redeems They IN Jesus… Believers not Converted IN Christ, but Continue, endure Believing until they bodily die….soul risen… Body risen, First Resurrection.
1 Thes. 4:14

We and If…is specific of WHO, WHEN, WHY, HOW.

Some are WITHIN…Some are ONLY WITH…

God bless you,

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Christian Soldier]

Died with Him…(crucified)
One group of “WE”…
Converted IN Christ.




Another One group of “WE”…(bodily physical death)
Believers IN Jesus, but Not Converted IN Christ.

Christ Redeems They IN Christ…Body, soul, spirit risen; Rapture
1 Thes. 4: 16-17


God Redeems They IN Jesus… Believers not Converted IN Christ, but Continue, endure Believing until they bodily die….soul risen… Body risen, First Resurrection.
1 Thes. 4:14

We and If…is specific of WHO, WHEN, WHY, HOW.

Some are WITHIN…Some are ONLY WITH…

God bless you,

Glory to God,
Taken

Are you suggesting that some people will be saved after they die. If so, that means that it's an unbiblical doctrine. I would be interested to know who taught you this new version of the gospel.
I've never heard this version before, my Bible says it is appointed for man to die once, then the judgement. But you're denying what God said, by claiming that some get another chance to repent in death.

Would you be so kind as to share the passages of scripture which support this radical new version of the gospel.

The Lord said when Lazarus died, he went to paradise and the rich man went to hell. They were both ushered to their place, immediately after death. The Lord never mentioned anything about a second chance after death.
I don't know of a singe verse in the Bible which states any such thing

 

[ProDeo]

I voted NO, meaning not any longer, can't ignore all the warnings, the examples in Scripture, having seen examples around me.