Only the Apostles were Predestined

[MatthewG]

God shall judge you.

You think we who believe every word of Jesus are wrong because we don't use what you label,critical thinking skills.

Where you are wrong is first,your ego is incapable of admitting you are wrong.

Further, you are wrong thinking you have to figure out a better way to understand God's salvation than what God taught of it himself.

You're not here discussing the Bible when you don't believe a word of it.

Hello Panda,


I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. At this point, I’m choosing to step away from this conversation. It’s clear that tensions are escalating, and I’m not interested in engaging in conflict—I believe it’s unproductive. I understand that perceptions of me may vary, but I hold firm in my belief that we all fall short of perfection, and judgment is not mine to give. You are free to make choices that feel right for you, and I respect that. I am not responsible for your decisions, nor do I seek to control them. However, I won’t continue this back-and-forth; I value my time, and this dynamic no longer serves a purpose.

 

[pandaflower]

Hello Panda,


I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. At this point, I’m choosing to step away from this conversation. It’s clear that tensions are escalating, and I’m not interested in engaging in conflict—I believe it’s unproductive. I understand that perceptions of me may vary, but I hold firm in my belief that we all fall short of perfection, and judgment is not mine to give. You are free to make choices that feel right for you, and I respect that. I am not responsible for your decisions, nor do I seek to control them. However, I won’t continue this back-and-forth; I value my time, and this dynamic no longer serves a purpose.

After this I won't be engaging with you.

I joined this forum to discuss the Bible with fellow believers.

My experience with you is one that shows your purpose here is to raise doubt about the Bible and God's message and to lead people away from the truth.

It's shameful. Yet,God warned us in his words about you too.

Goodbye.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I’m not interested in engaging in conflict—I believe it’s unproductive.

Jesus and His Apostle engaged in conflict.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

@1stCenturyLady



False, it doesnt show that, its the whole Body of Christ, His Church. Your statement would equate to only a small portion of Christs Mystical Body were predestined, and not the whole, that only part of His Bride was predestined Eph 5:30-32

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

The Church is His fullness Eph 1:22-23

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

And ye say only a small part was predestinated ?

I shouldn't have included the beginning that says who this epistle is to. But the part about predestination is about those who first believed. That is the apostles and not all Christians. Paul is simply giving his credentials as one of the apostles who were predestined. Sorry to burst your bubble.

But I do believe God foreknows all who wind up in heaven as He can see the end from the beginning. But He didn't predestine them to accept Christ. Otherwise, He also predestines those who become lost.

 

[David in NJ]

We are not all apostles, pf. Read John 6 slowly and see who walked away, but who stayed. The Apostles. They were the only ones who were predestined. You've been taught a lie. Read the Word for yourself. Are you a Calvinist? He was a murderer, so his fruit is rotten.

They were the only ones who were predestined.

You've been taught a lie.
Even worse, you belived it.
Worse then that is you now promote a lie.

RETURN to the TRUTH = No one comes to the FATHER except thru ME, and no one comes to ME unless the FATHER draws them.

 

[pandaflower]

You've been taught a lie.
Even worse, you belived it.
Worse then that is you now promote a lie.

RETURN to the TRUTH = No one comes to the FATHER except thru ME, and no one comes to ME unless the FATHER draws them.

Acts 4
27 for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28 to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place.

At least I'm not alone in realizing there are many who promote lies here.

And it isn't that they're simply sharing a different opinion.

 

[pandaflower]

Ephesians 1

In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,

 

[David in NJ]

Acts 4
27 for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28 to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place.

At least I'm not alone in realizing there are many who promote lies here.

And it isn't that they're simply sharing a different opinion.

Bad News = We are living in times of great confusion and error due to the spiritual virus of "respect of persons"

GOOD NEWS = There is a CURE

 

[David in NJ]

Ephesians 1

In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,

You found the CURE

TRUTH is the CURE

 

[pandaflower]

Bad News = We are living in times of great confusion and error due to the spiritual virus of "respect of persons"

GOOD NEWS = There is a CURE

I think we're blessed to be witnessing here that what is prophesied in 2nd Timothy 4:3.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

 

[pandaflower]

You found the CURE

TRUTH is the CURE

As have you my brother.
Jesus frees.

 

[David in NJ]

I think we're blessed to be witnessing here that what is prophesied in 2nd Timothy 4:3.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

Now GREATLY REJOICE in this = we are able to SEE and bear Witness to the Truth of 2 Timothy 4:3

This did not come from ourselves but from our Heavenly FATHER who gave to us the Holy Spirit - aka The Spirit of TRUTH

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You've been taught a lie.
Even worse, you belived it.
Worse then that is you now promote a lie.

RETURN to the TRUTH = No one comes to the FATHER except thru ME, and no one comes to ME unless the FATHER draws them.

The ones who could not be snatched out of the Father's hand were the apostles. People believe a lie when they believe now that they are Christians and will never stop sinning until they die and receive their new bodies, that they are firmly in the Father's hands. If they can't stop sinning because their desire to sin is still there have not been born again of the Spirit. True Christians do not break God's commandments because their nature has been cleansed; they are clean. John 15:3 and 1 John 3:4-9.

And those who have been born again and cannot sin must continue to abide in Jesus as He also abides in them.

Stop messing around with sin as if Jesus is not coming in an hour from now. Live like He is.

 

[pandaflower]

Now GREATLY REJOICE in this = we are able to SEE and bear Witness to the Truth of 2 Timothy 4:3

This did not come from ourselves but from our Heavenly FATHER who gave to us the Holy Spirit - aka The Spirit of TRUTH

Amen.
Not our will but God's be done.

 

[David in NJ]

The ones who could not be snatched out of the Father's hand were the apostles. People believe a lie when they believe now that they are Christians and will never stop sinning until they die and receive their new bodies, that they are firmly in the Father's hands. If they can't stop sinning because their desire to sin is still there have not been born again of the Spirit. True Christians do not break God's commandments because their nature has been cleansed; they are clean. John 15:3 and 1 John 3:4-9.

And those who have been born again and cannot sin must continue to abide in Jesus as He also abides in them.

Stop messing around with sin as if Jesus is not coming in an hour from now. Live like He is.

I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[Muna]

Peter does speak of these which cannot cease from sin also

2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children

 

[pandaflower]

@David in NJ,

You know how God will tell you your next move when you're on the path he intends so to glorify the kingdom?

I'm on an Bible study site email list.
Here's the email I received just today.

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[1stCenturyLady]

I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Why are you quoting this out of Romans 7 about the time we all go through before accepting Jesus when we are still in the flesh and therefore, UNDER the law? Go back and read verses 5-6 for context about when we are no longer in the flesh and are delivered from the law so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter. Paul just didn't want anyone to think he meant there was something wrong with the Law of God which is holy, so he wrote verses 14-25 about why the law was necessary for the Jews; a time you still think you are in. Poor ignorant baby, locked in doctrines of demons. Stay under the law then and keep sinning because you want to stay in the flesh, but as for me, I am born again....therefore have been delivered from sinning lawlessly and do not need the written law engraved on stone as it is part of my character now because it was written on my heart:

Romans 8:9 but you are NOT IN THE FLESH BUT IN THE SPIRIT, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Romans 7:5-6
5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

 

[David in NJ]

Why are you quoting this out of Romans 7 about the time we all go through before accepting Jesus when we are still in the flesh and therefore, UNDER the law? Go back and read verses 5-6 for context about when we are no longer in the flesh and are delivered from the law so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter. Paul just didn't want anyone to think he meant there was something wrong with the Law of God which is holy, so he wrote verses 14-25 about why the law was necessary for the Jews; a time you still think you are in. Poor ignorant baby, locked in doctrines of demons. Stay under the law then and keep sinning because you want to stay in the flesh, but as for me, I am born again....therefore have been delivered from sinning lawlessly and do not need the written law engraved on stone as it is part of my character now because it was written on my heart:

Romans 8:9 but you are NOT IN THE FLESH BUT IN THE SPIRIT, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Romans 7:5-6
5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

Paul is speaking of reality and the power of sin in the flesh AND in the law.
God has condemned sin in the flesh.
God has not redeemed bodies, HE only Redeemed our soul/spirit
Therefore if we walk in/with the Spirit we will not be under the power of sin.
No one has ever done this 24/7 except One = the Lord Jesus Christ
No one before Christ and no one after Christ will be sinless in their own.
We are only sinless because the FATHER has placed us in CHRIST.

 

[Muna]

John 8:34 Jesus answered them,

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Paul wrote,

Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

Romans 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.