The 666 mark will be a tattoo

[rockytopva]

As far as prophecies I believe that Isaac Newton was closest... And to fully quote the guy...

And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half. -Daniel 12:7

From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton

As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming may be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christ's coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes...

"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. - Acts 1

I describe myself as someone who knows not... But believes Isaac Newton was the closest. And if ever asked to have any kind of mark on my body to heartedly refuse.

 

[MatthewG]

Absolutely correct. That Sea Beast (the one for whom the "mark" was imposed) is easily identifiable, simply by the fact that Satan's throne IN PERGAMOS (Revelation 2:13) was given to that Sea Beast in Revelation 13:2. This limits the identity of the Sea Beast to a connection with the ancient Roman Republic, which was given the entire kingdom of Pergamos back in 133 BC by its king Attalus III. This king was dying without an heir to his kingdom, and decided to pass control of his entire kingdom at Pergamos to his Roman Republic ally.

The "mark" imposed on everyone by the Land Beast of Revelation 13 had certain images and inscriptions that gave homage to that ancient Roman phase of the Sea Beast. The "mark" was the Tyrian shekel coin which the Judean Land Beast forced everyone to use when they came to the temple to buy or sell sacrificial items for worship. This image honoring one of Rome's pagan demi-gods and the profane inscriptions on these coins were an abomination to God, and should never have been allowed in the Jerusalem temple - let alone being required by the high priesthood as the only coin allowed for temple transactions. The "money-changers" were complicit in enforcing the use of this abominable "mark", which is why Christ was so enraged at them .

That ancient "mark" requirement for temple worshippers was revoked back in AD 66 when the Zealot rebellion against Rome started. The "mark" isn't even a vague threat for our future at all.

People definitely have the freedom to express their beliefs in whatever way makes sense to them. I don’t personally see any of it as a threat anymore, but I do think it’s really important to keep our focus on loving God through Christ—and loving our neighbors just as we’re called to by abiding in Him.

That said, I’ve always struggled with narratives that stir up false hope. I’ve seen people hold onto the idea that Jesus is returning today, clinging to it through illness or tough seasons, and never witnessing that moment come to pass.

I genuinely believe that in those early days, believers were told to wait, watch, and endure. When we lose sight of the original context, we can end up embracing ideas that weren’t meant for us the same way—which sets people up for confusion and disappointment.

Truthfully, people will believe what they want to believe. I used to hold to the belief that Jesus was coming back imminently, until I started to understand the context more deeply—that it was a message given to real people living in a specific time. Still, tradition and influence from family or culture can make those beliefs stick.

For me, I think it’s best to let go of what no longer aligns. But even if someone still believes in a future return of Jesus, my hope is that they’ll walk in love through the Spirit of Christ. That’s what truly matters.

 

[3 Resurrections]

I genuinely believe that in those early days, believers were told to wait, watch, and endure. When we lose sight of the original context, we can end up embracing ideas that weren’t meant for us the same way—which sets people up for confusion and disappointment.

Again, absolutely true.

For me, I think it’s best to let go of what no longer aligns. But even if someone still believes in a future return of Jesus, my hope is that they’ll walk in love through the Spirit of Christ. That’s what truly matters.

I sit on both sides of the debate, and thereby tend to get shot from all sides. Paul taught three separate resurrection events in 1 Cor. 15:23-24. "Christ the First-fruits" (which was in AD 33), "afterward those who are Christ's at His coming" (which was in AD 70), "THEN the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God..." That "end" will be in our future, when God puts down all rule, and power, and authority structures which He originally set up for mankind to operate under.

The church I currently attend does not believe Scripture teaches a future return of Christ, but I still share a mutual love with all these individuals and can fellowship with them as part of the body of Christ.

 

[rockytopva]

And... Along with these prophecies... Wondering how much time we have before everything unravels.

 

[TLHKAJ]

The "mark" was the Tyrian shekel coin which the Judean Land Beast forced everyone to use when they came to the temple to buy or sell sacrificial items for worship.

Ahh, so people wore the shekel in their foreheads or right hands?? lol

 

[TLHKAJ]

And... Along with these prophecies... Wondering how much time we have before everything unravels.

Brother, things are unraveling as we speak...

 

[TLHKAJ]

Many of the jews believe Trump is their messiah and can be heard discussing his gematria and saying he's the savior of the world, and Trump doesn't deny or correct them. The Jewish Heritage Foundation has already come to Mar-a-Lago to present Trump with a plaque and a crown declaring him the "Prince of Peace" and "king of Jerusalem."

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[pandaflower]

Again, absolutely true.

I sit on both sides of the debate, and thereby tend to get shot from all sides. Paul taught three separate resurrection events in 1 Cor. 15:23-24. "Christ the First-fruits" (which was in AD 33), "afterward those who are Christ's at His coming" (which was in AD 70), "THEN the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God..." That "end" will be in our future, when God puts down all rule, and power, and authority structures which He originally set up for mankind to operate under.

The church I currently attend does not believe Scripture teaches a future return of Christ, but I still share a mutual love with all these individuals and can fellowship with them as part of the body of Christ.

That last part of your post. You should leave your church and find one that respects God's words. And that he keeps his promises.

 

[MatthewG]

"THEN the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God..." That "end" will be in our future, when God puts down all rule, and power, and authority structures which He originally set up for mankind to operate under.

3r,

That’s a place I actually differ as I believe this has already happened.

1 Corinthians 15:27 For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

We live just as it was for Adam and Eve today in the new heavens and new earth spiritually.

All people choose to eat from the tree of life or tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

I’m glad I can finally share a difference in within this.

The only end that is coming is death. At least in my view.


Some people are waiting for something like America to be put down or something the whole world. I love my county and I don’t want it to be destroyed or any others but Israel sure was when the wrath of God was poured out upon them in that day.

 

[MatthewG]

As far as prophecies I believe that Isaac Newton was closest... And to fully quote the guy...

And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half. -Daniel 12:7

From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton

As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming may be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christ's coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes...

"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. - Acts 1

I describe myself as someone who knows not... But believes Isaac Newton was the closest. And if ever asked to have any kind of mark on my body to heartedly refuse.

@rockytopva , those are just mans ideas.

I wouldn't put my faith in any man, other than the Lord Yeshua, who promised to come within that generation, and a biblical generation is known as 40 years.

Numbers 32:12 “The LORD was angry with Israel and made them wander in the wilderness for forty years until the entire generation that sinned in the LORD’s sight had died.

 

[rockytopva]

Identification- Think about the ease of having something swipable on your body...

1. Gas - Just use the reader to swipe your ID
2. Groceries- Just use the reader to swipe your ID
3. Flight tickets - Just use the reader to swipe your ID
4. Cruises - Just use the reader to swipe your ID
5. Passports - Just use the reader to swipe your ID
6. Long trips - No need for a billfold or paperwork
7. Vehicles- No need for keys.

How easy it would be to travel!

 

[rockytopva]

The Beast - Will it be robotic?

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you for just ignoring me. You have a good one.

 

[Douggg]

The Beast - Will it be robotic?

No, the beast will be a man.

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

[MatthewG]

No, the beast will be a man.

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

I think people tend to get really lazy when it comes to the bible. I wont lie and say I read mine every single day, but thats what happens. People forget they start listening to people on youtube and they probably dont even encourage for people to go and look into the bible themselves, and that right there puts them at a complete disadvantage...

they just did the reading for them... and they were not even encouraged to explore themselves....

I hate it.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Ahh, so people wore the shekel in their foreheads or right hands?? lol

Actually, yes. Women wore a set of ten of these shekels on the forehead of their headdress, to denote their marital status. Remember the parable Christ gave about the woman who lost one of those coins in the house, and desperately searched for it until she found it, with great rejoicing? This would be the equivalent of a woman today losing her wedding ring somewhere in the house.

Also, when the temple's money-changers (for a fee) handed over the high-priesthood-approved Tyrian shekel in exchange for whatever foreign currency the person brought with them, this Tyrian shekel was handed over to them in their palm. The wording of the Revelation 13 "mark" simply requires that they "receive" it in their right hand - not that it is necessarily imprinted or implanted in their right hand. All temple worshippers that wanted to either buy or sell sacrificial items "received" the Tyrian shekel in their right palm, with its stamped abominable images and inscriptions giving homage to Rome and it pagan gods. This was a complete profanation of God's laws forbidding the use of silver or gold connected to graven images back in Deuteronomy 7:25-26

That abominable Tyrian shekel which the high priests required as the ONLY coin approved for all sales and purchases in the Jerusalem temple definitely fulfilled ALL the Revelation 13 descriptions of that "mark". And that high priesthood requirement ceased back in AD 66. You do not have to dread this "mark" in our generation. There are plenty of other wicked practices to concern yourself with today, other than that.

 

[3 Resurrections]

3r,

That’s a place I actually differ as I believe this has already happened.

I once thought the same as you on that particular part of 1 Cor. 15:24, with all rule and authority, and power being put down by Christ already back in AD 70. In a sense, the Satanic realm being eradicated and totally destroyed back in AD 70, as well as the physical temple priesthood system being destroyed utterly, were parts of the authority, rule, and powers being put down back then.

But we still have governmental agencies that operate today, with plenty of rules and authority and power that hold sway in this world. God has still sanctioned these authority structures for the time being, and told us to submit to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake (unless, of course, they command disobedience to some of God's commands). But one day in our future, God will rid this planet of the need for such agencies to operate. We still await God's ridding this planet of any remaining elements of human evil. He is presently "reigning in the midst of His enemies" in our present New Heavens and New Earth, as we wait for God to complete His progressive purification plan for His originally-perfect creation.

 

[3 Resurrections]

And... Along with these prophecies... Wondering how much time we have before everything unravels.

Until 2033.

 

[3 Resurrections]

That last part of your post. You should leave your church and find one that respects God's words. And that he keeps his promises.

Christ did not avoid those who were ignorantly in error, such as Nicodemus. He sat down with them and discussed the Scriptures with them. I believe that Christ has kept and will keep His promises. One of those promises was for Him to bodily return with the angels while some of those He was speaking to were still alive to see that return, to give rewards to all according to their works (Matt. 16:27-28). Which He already did in the AD 70 period, just as He promised, and for which we have archaeological proof.

 

[MatthewG]

I once thought the same as you on that particular part of 1 Cor. 15:24, with all rule and authority, and power being put down by Christ already back in AD 70. In a sense, the Satanic realm being eradicated and totally destroyed back in AD 70, as well as the physical temple priesthood system being destroyed utterly, were parts of the authority, rule, and powers being put down back then.

But we still have governmental agencies that operate today, with plenty of rules and authority and power that hold sway in this world. God has still sanctioned these authority structures for the time being, and told us to submit to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake (unless, of course, they command disobedience to some of God's commands). But one day in our future, God will rid this planet of the need for such agencies to operate. We still await God's ridding this planet of any remaining elements of human evil. He is presently "reigning in the midst of His enemies" in our present New Heavens and New Earth, as we wait for God to complete His progressive purification plan for His originally-perfect creation.

Hello 3R,


Government, when functioning as intended, plays a beneficial role in society. Romans 13 speaks clearly to the idea that governing authorities are ordained by God, established to promote order and justice. From a spiritual perspective, many believers understand that we are living in the reality of the “new heavens and new earth” as a reflection of the transformation brought about through Christ.

God's presence is not limited—He is intimately involved in the lives of all people. Whether individuals come to recognize that presence is ultimately a matter of personal awakening and response. Faith remains a personal journey, and each person must choose how they engage with the divine.




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You've touched on a powerful and deeply theological idea. Romans 13 does speak clearly to the divine purpose behind governing authorities—Paul writes that “there is no authority except that which God has established.” The passage emphasizes that rulers are servants of God for the good of society, and that submitting to them is part of honoring God's order.

Your perspective on living in the new heavens and earth “in the spiritual sense” beautifully reflects how some believers interpret the fulfillment of prophecy not just as a future event, but as an ongoing, present spiritual reality. It suggests that through Christ, we now live in a redeemed relationship with God, with the old having passed away and all things being made new (echoing 2 Corinthians 5:17).

And the idea that God is part of all people—whether they realize it or not—reminds me of Acts 17:27–28, where Paul says that “He is not far from any one of us. For in Him we live and move and have our being.” Recognition of God's presence isn’t imposed—it’s received. That personal awakening is one of the most profound journeys anyone can take.