When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

[Spiritual Israelite]

do your self a favor ,spend time with the JW's . if you are honest with your self you will see through the lies the apostates are telling . I don't know why PS95 decided to join apostate action against the JW's nor do I care .

JWs believe a lot of false doctrines including denying that Jesus is God and claiming that physical death pays the wages for our sins instead of Christ's blood paying the wages of our sins and other falsehood like that. And we can verify that from the official JW website. You need to come out from that cult that has brainwashed you, repent of your sins and accept the true Jesus, who is God and is King of kings and Lord of lords.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

JWs believe a lot of false doctrines including denying that Jesus is God and claiming that physical death pays the wages for our sins instead of Christ's blood paying the wages of our sins and other falsehood like that. And we can verify that from the official JW website. You need to come out from that cult that has brainwashed you, repent of your sins and accept the true Jesus, who is God and is King of kings and Lord of lords.

Romans 6:23
''For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.''
do you disagree with that verse ?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Romans 6:23
''For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.''
do you disagree with that verse ?

Why ask a ridiculous question like that? What do you think, that I'm going to say I disagree with it? Of course not. Get serious.

I interpret that verse in context, unlike JWs like you. Notice that Paul said the gift of God is ETERNAL life in Christ Jesus our Lord. So, when he said "the wages of sin is death", he is contrasting that with eternal life. So, he is talking about ETERNAL death being the wages of sin, which is the second death that only those whose names are not written in the book of life will experience (Revelation 20:14-15). It's not talking about the physical death that all people experience. Those who belong to Christ have had the wages of our sins paid for by the blood of Christ, so we will not have to pay the wages (penalty) of our sins by having to experience the second death like the unsaved will.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

Why ask a ridiculous question like that? What do you think, that I'm going to say I disagree with it? Of course not. Get serious.

I interpret that verse in context, unlike JWs like you. Notice that Paul said the gift of God is ETERNAL life in Christ Jesus our Lord. So, when he said "the wages of sin is death", he is contrasting that with eternal life. So, he is talking about ETERNAL death being the wages of sin, which is the second death that only those whose names are not written in the book of life will experience (Revelation 20:14-15). It's not talking about the physical death that all people experience. Those who belong to Christ have had the wages of our sins paid for by the blood of Christ, so we will not have to pay the wages (penalty) of our sins by having to experience the second death like the unsaved will.

Are you assuming that all those that enter into the kingdom do so from Resurrection or do they go into the Kingdom having never died ?

 

[PS95]

please be careful ,apostate's speak to their own advantage and to the prospect of getting even

Once again, I never joined the org. so I never had to leave it. Get that much straight, locust.
Personal attacks are always used by your group when they have no answers.
If I am the lying apostate- prove it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Are you assuming that all those that enter into the kingdom do so from Resurrection or do they go into the Kingdom having never died ?

What are you talking about exactly? Those who belong to Christ are in His kingdom spiritually now (Colossians 1:12-13) and when He returns the kingdom will come in its fullness in the new heavens and new earth (2 Peter 3:10-13) after the dead in Christ are bodily resurrected and all of those who belong to Christ inherit the kingdom of God with immortal bodies at that time (1 Cor 15:50-54, Matt 25:31-46).

Is there some reason why you didn't specifically address anything I said in my post #543? What are your thoughts on what I said there about Romans 6:23?

 

[Deleted member 26788]

What are you talking about exactly? Those who belong to Christ are in His kingdom spiritually now (Colossians 1:12-13) and when He returns the kingdom will come in its fullness in the new heavens and new earth (2 Peter 3:10-13) after the dead in Christ are bodily resurrected and all of those who belong to Christ inherit the kingdom of God with immortal bodies at that time (1 Cor 15:50-54, Matt 25:31-46).

Is there some reason why you didn't specifically address anything I said in my post #543? What are your thoughts on what I said there about Romans 6:23?

you did mention the second death .the only way to die twice is if a person had lived twice . so I ask Are you assuming that all those that enter into the kingdom do so from Resurrection or do they go into the Kingdom having never died ?

 

[IndianaRob]

you did mention the second death .the only way to die twice is if a person had lived twice . so I ask Are you assuming that all those that enter into the kingdom do so from Resurrection or do they go into the Kingdom having never died ?

My two cents… The first death is the condition we are born in, the second death is the death of the body. If we die the second death we are cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Can you please just answer the question I asked? Which scriptures do you believe refer to the future (still future) return of Jesus Christ?

Here is just one to start with, that I'm sure you could probably quote yourself and agree with. "For we must ALL appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad." (2 Cor. 5:10).

You believe this judgment takes place one time ONLY for all simultaneously, but Paul spoke on several occasions of a resurrection and judgment that was "about to be" in his own generation. That means God has planned more than just one GWT judgment, since you and I have not appeared yet before that judgment seat, as we are required to do in the future.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

you did mention the second death

Yes, and do you know what the second death is? It's eternal death that occurs when unbelievers are cast into the lake of fire at the judgment, as described in Revelation 20:14-15. What else would be contrasted with eternal life in Romans 6:23 except for eternal death? Why are you not addressing that point?

.the only way to die twice is if a person had lived twice . so I ask Are you assuming that all those that enter into the kingdom do so from Resurrection or do they go into the Kingdom having never died ?

If you're talking about the eternal kingdom that mortal flesh and blood will not inherit (only those with bodily immortality will), as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:50 and Matthew 25:34, then some of those who inherit it will have been bodily resurrected first (the dead in Christ) and some will have not died at that point, which are those who are alive and remain until Jesus comes again, as Paul referenced in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17.