Names of the Beasts of Revelation: Wealth (Prosperity) and Tradition

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No. The Book of Revelation is not chronologically sequenced. The Bowl judgements in Rev 16 have been presented in the reverse order to what will happen.
Exodus 20. Says third or fourth generation, not "at the end of the fourth age of Israel's existence." And Deut 24.16 seems to have waived that law.
 

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Exodus 20. Says third or fourth generation, not "at the end of the fourth age of Israel's existence." And Deut 24.16 seems to have waived that law.

In the Hebrew context a generation has the same duration as an age and the Exodus 20:4-6 prophecy of the visitation of the fathers' iniquities upon their children and the children's children will occur in the third and the fourth generation/age and it will end at the completion of the fourth generation/age, and as such, as I stated above in my post, at the end of fourth age of the nation of Israel, and by my calculations the fourth generation/age will end, in around 20 years' time from now.

Deuteronomy 24:16 does not change the extent of the duration that the iniquities of the fathers during the first and second generations/ages of the nation of Israel being visited on the nation of Israel during the third and the fourth age of their existence.

This is what this verse states: -

Deuteronomy 24:6: - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall children be put to death for their fathers; a person shall be put to death for his own sin.​
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Has Dan 7.12,13,14 all happened yet. Also Rev 17.12, Dan 8.23-25?
No, that is present and into the near future.
Jesus is coming soon. The Antichrist is already here, but hasn't been revealed. Many folks ( Pre-tribbers) think the RAPTURE may happen next month during The Feast of Trumpets..( Sept..22-24) I am not sure.
I am a Mid-Tribber/Pre-Wrath/7th Trumpet adherent, so I think we must go through most of the GT until Rev. 11:15. Then the Seven Bowls of God's Wrath will be released. And this period is after the 1260 days ( of Great Tribulation)and may last til a day 1335. We'll see. Actually I would prefer that the Pre-Tribbers were right. I will not be disappointed ... next month? ... a new body ... yep, I need one. This one needs an operation soon - stupid prostate.
 

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In the Hebrew context a generation has the same duration as an age and the Exodus 20:4-6 prophecy of the visitation of the fathers' iniquities upon their children and the children's children will occur in the third and the fourth generation/age and it will end at the completion of the fourth generation/age, and as such, as I stated above in my post, at the end of fourth age of the nation of Israel, and by my calculations the fourth generation/age will end, in around 20 years' time from now.

Deuteronomy 24:16 does not change the extent of the duration that the iniquities of the fathers during the first and second generations/ages of the nation of Israel being visited on the nation of Israel during the third and the fourth age of their existence.

This is what this verse states: -

Deuteronomy 24:6: - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall children be put to death for their fathers; a person shall be put to death for his own sin.​
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So an age is how long?
 

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No, that is present and into the near future.
Jesus is coming soon. The Antichrist is already here, but hasn't been revealed. Many folks ( Pre-tribbers) think the RAPTURE may happen next month during The Feast of Trumpets..( Sept..22-24) I am not sure.
I am a Mid-Tribber/Pre-Wrath/7th Trumpet adherent, so I think we must go through most of the GT until Rev. 11:15. Then the Seven Bowls of God's Wrath will be released. And this period is after the 1260 days ( of Great Tribulation)and may last til a day 1335. We'll see. Actually I would prefer that the Pre-Tribbers were right. I will not be disappointed ... next month? ... a new body ... yep, I need one. This one needs an operation soon - stupid prostate.
I consider Dan 8 will be future, also Dan 11.1-45. Im watching Turkey currently calling for an islamic caliphate and wait to see if the second horn is also broken in the coming months. (Tho I may be in for a correction, time will tell) I tend to consider both those books could be current. Iraq -gone, Iran- falling, turkey- rising. A caliphate being called for to destroy Israel, (Dan 11.4) and the ten Islamic toes of Psalm 83, 6000 years and closing in on the seventh day. I also consider the mixing of the iron and clay to be the treaty between the caliphate and Israel, which will not remain united.
This one needs to think about Ivermectin and fendbendazole. Seems to be used effectively in the USA.
 

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No, that is present and into the near future.
Jesus is coming soon. The Antichrist is already here, but hasn't been revealed. Many folks ( Pre-tribbers) think the RAPTURE may happen next month during The Feast of Trumpets..( Sept..22-24) I am not sure.
I am a Mid-Tribber/Pre-Wrath/7th Trumpet adherent, so I think we must go through most of the GT until Rev. 11:15. Then the Seven Bowls of God's Wrath will be released. And this period is after the 1260 days ( of Great Tribulation)and may last til a day 1335. We'll see. Actually I would prefer that the Pre-Tribbers were right. I will not be disappointed ... next month? ... a new body ... yep, I need one. This one needs an operation soon - stupid prostate.
Re prostate check https://x.com/MakisMD/status/1875265828842590279?t=LMhjQeZGm--T9BFO8fSnpg&s=01
On x
 

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So, an age is how long?

It is my understanding that Isaac was born at the very beginning of the third age in the first year of that age.

My chronology of the Old Testament up and until Isaac was born confirms that he was born in the year 2029 after the creation of Adam.

From the above information, I believe that you can determine how many years there are in an age or day of the Lord.

Shalom
 

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Ivermectin is effective against parasites and Covid-19 (known that for five years). Tamsulosin, finasteride, dutasterude have been the drugs I have been using. But after two years, the prostate is a big Boy now, impervious to these drugs - so surgery or an alternative 8 day water fast are my only options- aside from a miraculous healing from God.
Thanks for your concern.
 

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My consensus too. Most of them are already gathered. I think Iran is the head of the snake? Turkey has agreed to join forces with them. Russia is involved too. He supposed to meet with Zelenski for peace talks and just fired missiles today - he is Satan's right hand man. He may be the Antichrist? He's a murdering machine. Trump thinks it's all about money and business. No, The spiritual warfare is behind it all. Trump is syill naive about spiritual discernment, yet Gid is absolutely using him..And it could just be to set up the GT, expose evil and to draw a line in the sand. People are now being called to take sides. Not much time left. Either they will with in Christ or not.
 
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Ivermectin is effective against parasites and Covid-19 (known that for five years). Tamsulosin, finasteride, dutasterude have been the drugs I have been using. But after two years, the prostate is a big Boy now, impervious to these drugs - so surgery or an alternative 8 day water fast are my only options- aside from a miraculous healing from God.
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My consensus too. Most of them are already gathered. I think Iran is the head of the snake? Turkey has agreed to join forces with them. Russia is involved too. He supposed to meet with Zelenski for peace talks and just fired missiles today - he is Satan's right hand man. He may be the Antichrist? He's a murdering machine. Trump thinks it's all about money and business. No, The spiritual warfare is behind it all. Trump is syill naive about spiritual discernment, yet Gid is absolutely using him..And it could just be to set up the GT, expose evil and to draw a line in the sand. People are now being called to take sides. Not much time left. Either they will with in Christ or not.
I only consider the middle eastern counties in end time scenarios. The origin of the beast seems clearly defined in scripture, by following the origins from Dan 8 and mentions of the king of Assyria seems to establish where the AC will arise from. Dan 11.36 would suggest also he comes from Abraham's line, specifically Ishmael and Esau. Scripture tells he will be revealed at the midpoint. 2 Thess 2. But for me, believers may recognize him from the earlier time at Dan 11.22 onwards. I also think the wordings "whole earth" and "earth" mostly meaning the local area, which changes my scriptural understandings considerably. Ie Zephaniah chapter 1. It ain't mankind!!
 

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No. The Book of Revelation is not chronologically sequenced. The Bowl judgements in Rev 16 have been presented in the reverse order to what will happen.
Why is Rev 16 in reverse order? And surely Rev 17.12 happens before the 1000 year reign?
 

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And surely Rev 17.12 happens before the 1000 year reign?

Actually Rev 17:12 happens after the Bottomless Pit is unlocked.

Why is Rev 16 in reverse order?

Because the Seventh Bowl judgement happened during the 20th century and the Six Bowl judgement is unfolding as it careers towards the end of this present age when Isaiah 24:21-22 and Daniel 7:11-12 will happen.
 

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Actually Rev 17:12 happens after the Bottomless Pit is unlocked.



Because the Seventh Bowl judgement happened during the 20th century and the Six Bowl judgement is unfolding as it careers towards the end of this present age when Isaiah 24:21-22 and Daniel 7:11-12 will happen.
Interesting perspective! The one thing that amazes me about all the various perspectives we all have on end times, (and there appears to be thousands), is that most of us all seem to believe this is the time of the beginning of the end. I wonder if all our views will gradually adjust as the day draws near.
 

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Actually Rev 17:12 happens after the Bottomless Pit is unlocked.

Rev 17:8: - 8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.​
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Please Note that "abyssou" is translated as "Abyss" or "The Bottomless Pit" in the available translations.
 

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The one thing that amazes me about all the various perspectives we all have on end times, is that most of us all seem to believe this is the time of the beginning of the end. I wonder if all our views will gradually adjust as the day draws near.

The Little While Period after the Bottomless Pit is unlocked, about 24 years in duration, will unfold first before Christ's second coming.

Rev 17 and other chapters of the Book of Revelation will occur during this short period of time.
 

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The Little While Period after the Bottomless Pit is unlocked, about 24 years in duration, will unfold first before Christ's second coming.

Rev 17 and other chapters of the Book of Revelation will occur during this short period of time.
Not convinced, im afraid.