come on bud, you are on this forum because you are mossad and get paid to herd the goyim
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Thats not my problem with what folk dont read, I get my information about what others believe by reading. I know the things you believe w/o asking you anything, because I have read them.
Rather BF....
You'll have to explain to God why you blasphemed Him throughout your Christian life.
You'll have to explain to Him why you believe He is evil and causes sin and causes man to sin.
You'll have to explain why Jesus portrayed Father as a loving and merciful and just God...
but you denied all three attributes.
Aunty Jane
Well-Known Member
So “the restoration of all things” means nothing to you?
If we don’t know what we lost, how can we know what is to be restored?
Why did God create Adam and his wife for everlasting life on earth? (Gen 3:22-24)
When did he change his mind about where humans will live and why does he tell us that he has chosen “some from among mankind as firstfruits” to rule with his son in “New Jerusalem” which is found on a heavenly Mount Zion? (Heb 12:22; Rev 14:1-5)
These are avenues of service, all to one purpose....to guide God’s people to life giving truth, not death dealing falsehood. The “saints” whilst on earth are as imperfect as anyone else, they must prove true to their calling to the death.....based on works that back up their faith.
You do nothing of the sort. As if God would give us a phoney Bible that we can virtually ignore most of what is written and just concentrate of the ministry of one apostle......who never was one of the 12. He never filled Judas’ position......it was taken by someone else who didn’t write anything contained in the NT. In fact only Peter, Matthew and John out of the 12, wrote contributions to Scripture....does that mean that the service of those other apostles was unimportant?
Paul had a special assignment, but that doesn’t negate the service of the other apostles.
As an educated Pharisee, he was not lost in speaking to the Greek philosophers on their own level...or in the addressing the Jewish leadership fully equipped with his knowledge of Scripture and with a zeal that was now tempered with humility....a quality that he always demonstrated in his ministry.
One only has to read your posts to see how far off base you are in your own skewed opinions, and how you want to force people to listen to you.....with constant appeals to the readers to “SEE” and the “LISTEN”....
If you have to yell, with large bolder type, then you are simply an attention seeker.
It’s not what you say, but what you ignore that tells the true story....you cover your ignorance with cheap shots, so you don’t have to defend your position with scripture to prove what you cannot support.
Everything you quote is out of context, and when Paul’s writings are used to counter your beliefs, all we hear is *crickets*....whist you launch off into a personal tirade. It’s not working....
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To different USAGE and PURPOSE.
Been stating this for years now.
NOT for individual persons.
Predestination is in the bible.
But the predestination is always for
METHOD
or
PURPOSE
Eventually, you'll see this.
But only the Holy Spirit can be of help here....
God wishes that all men be saved and come to the knowledge of Him.
So, He's either incapable of doing what He wishes
or
there's something else going on.
Find out what it is.
1srt Adam, caused the loss of all, and the fall of us all.
2nd Adam came to briging reconciliation and restoration.
I answered this already.
God created man for Himself.......for fellowship, and for rule over all of God's Creation, and to bear God's image.
Christ is the "firstfruit" and Christians are the fruit of God's Salvation. They are The Bride of Christ., the NT "Church".
So, when we read "chosen from Mankind" this means that regarding all humans born since the Cross was raised....... some will be chosen 'IN CHRIST".
This means they will be born again.
The Born again will reign with Jesus in His "Millennial Reign" in Israel.
God's foreknowledge knows everything you are thinking, and will ever do.
So, If God calls a Christian into His service, then God alreadys knows their end from their beginning.......so, He knows every choice, every thought, and every desire they will have... forever.
So, if they stray, He knew they would... or if they hold fast till the end.......God knew they would.
Jesus chose Paul as a "chosen Vessel" to bring the Doctrine of the Church in the "time of the Gentiles".
We are in it, right now.
Paul is the only "apostle to the gentiles"........and Paul is the only apostle who Jesus chose to give the doctrine for the NT Church.
Paul knew this, and in fact, even His Gospel...is defined in Galatians 1:8, as being the ONLY.....and if you preach another you are cursed and so is your Gospel, and that includes any cult or denomination.
You and the JW cult do not preach Paul's Gospel, so you are defined, as is your Denomination as : Galatians 1:8
All the apostles are important, and the Chrisitan Church is built on them, with Jesus being the ""Chief Cornerstone".
However, The Cross initiated the '"time of the Gentiles", and Paul was chosen as the only ""Apostle to the Gentiles."""
The Body of Christ is mostly Gentiles, for the last 2000 yrs.... and Paul's Epistles are the doctrine for the NT Church.
This is why most of the NT Epistles are written by Paul., as that is where you find Doctrine for the NT Church.
Its all i teach.
Paul is the greatest Christian who ever lived.
He accomplished more then all the other apostles combined.....and He said so himself.
He is the only Apostle who told you......."be a follower of ME, as i follow Christ".
A JW reading my Posts and Threads, would not find them to agree with their JW theology.
Its no different then a JW studying Paul's doctrine....as they are going to hit a wall because Paul's theology is not the theology of the Jehovah's Witness cult.
I seek for Christians on a Forum to learn to recoginze cult theology.
So, you are very helpful in this regard @Aunty Jane ., and not just you., but you are the product of the worst cult, that falsely defines itself as "Christian".
And i seek to lead Christians out of Hebrews 6:1, where most of them abide.
And i seek to have my Threads printed and studied and used in churches as Sermons and Sunday School lessons, as well as used in commentaries and to be used in youtube videos.
People use my Threads all the time, exaclty like that, which is a good thing, because most churches are not teaching Paul's doctrine, and his doctrine is CHURCH Doctrine.
Cultists always say what you're saying., and they always post verses with no context and say....>>"see there, proved it".
Nothing new, as you've proven nothing.
See you there next time.
You can't use Paul's doctrine to counter anything i say, because you dont know Paul's doctrine.
You are a "cut and paste" type of person, who is here to try to prove your JW theology is not Satanic, and all you do is write long redundant posts that keep proving that the JW Cult is filled with nothing but "doctrines of Devils".
Aunty Jane
Well-Known Member
Well I’ll just leave that there as you personal testimony to yourself......good grief!
Well I’ll just leave that there as you personal testimony to yourself......good grief!
I have over 400 Threads posted on this Forum, and this is just one Forum that i frequent.
I have a acutal ministry in real life as well.......and i still go to forums, as i told you, because there is a SILENCE on them regarding Paul's Theology.
So, this is why i am here......its to reveal Paul's basic doctrine, so that real Christians can find their way into the deeper Spiritual aspect, as you have to be a student of Paul's theology to get there.
There is no other way.
So, those 400 Threads, are my personal Testimony, and in them you are going to find Jesus being given all credit for Salvation, and God's Grace taught as the "Gift of Salvation" that is "The Cross of Christ".. And you'll find over and over and over in my Threads the "preaching of the Cross', as this is Paul's Gospel.
"We preach CHRIST Crucified".
I also have 22,600 + posts on this Forum, and they Testify of me regarding Paul's Theology.
Aunty Jane
Well-Known Member
Nonsense.
So you are the ‘apostle Behold’ personally chosen to make Paul’s doctrine into a belief system all by itself?
This assumes that Paul had a different doctrine to the rest of the apostles....did he?
Isn’t it significant that it was Peter who was the first one called to baptized the gentile household of Cornelius? His whole family were baptized and so was Paul after his conversion, but you say there is no need for water baptism......why then was Jesus baptized?
How do Paul’s teachings differ from those of the other apostles since they all had the same teacher?
Paul’s contribution to Scripture may have had something to do with his education as an “apostles to the nations”....since by your own admission there were going to be more gentiles than Jews coming to Christ.
The other apostles, like Jesus, preached exclusively to the Jews, but once the Gentiles were welcomed into the Christian arrangement, they educated all without ethnicity being a consideration because “the way” was no longer open to just Jews who had first choice at becoming disciples of the Christ. Saul of Tarsus spent his time murdering those who belonged to “the way”...until he received a tap on the shoulder. Not all receive such a monumental “tap”.
You don’t preach TO people Behold...you preach AT them, like you are forcing your beliefs on others as if you could not possibly be wrong. Who told you you were right?
Who appointed you as Paul’s minister?
Who is “WE”? Who are your brethren Behold?
Paul’s theology is not something different to what all the apostles taught.....it was Paul who said....
“Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.”
There was no division among the apostles...you are rattling chains that do not exist, and focusing on a geographical location that Jesus himself said would no longer be the seat of Jehovah’s worship.
Get your facts straight and if you want to promote Paul, do so in line with the entirety of what he wrote, not just cherry picked verses that you imagine, back up your flawed theology.
400 + Threads.
Real ministry.
= Fact.
You can do a search and easily find my Threads, here on the Forum.
Any real student of the bible is going to be found as a devoted student of Paul's Theology.
That's the reality.
Any real "church" is going to be built on The Cross and Paul's Theology.
And that is how you recognize and determine the CULTS, as they are not built on Paul's Theology.
The Aposltes eventually learned Paul's Gospel and Theology.
Peter said that some of it was difficult to understand and that is because it has to be spiritually discerned.
Peter didnt know Paul's Gospel in Acts 2.
Peter said that Paul's Letters, are "Scripture". = to the TORAH
Paul's letters eventually became most of the NT Epistles.
Paul's doctrine is the literal "church" Doctrine.
No, its not particlularly significant that Peter went to Cornelius.
Philip went to a Eunuch..........and so?
See, Peter is reduced to 2 Epistles, and He spent most of his ministry, along with James and John, dealing with Jews.
Paul is sent "in the time of the Gentiles" because most of the Christians are gentiles, and Paul is the ""Apostle to the gentiles".
Jesus gave Paul the doctrine for the Church.....not Peter, and not James and not John.
A Christian can sometimes become confused when reading a JOHN, JAMES< or Peter, verse, because they may be talking to unsaved Jews, and yet they call them Brothers/Brethren.
Notice that Esther was called for such a time,.....and so.... Paul was called for such a time......."the Time of the Gentiles".
God sometimes chooses ONE person for a very important task., and that happened to Paul.
Paul's epistles teach The Gospel.
They teach the "9 Gifts of the Spirit".
They teach how to choose a Pastor, Bishop, Deacon.
They teach how to become "as many as be perfect".
They teach what it means to be "in Christ".....as "The righteousness of God in Christ"
Paul teachs us our status as a Chrisitan.
Paul teaches us what it means to exist in the KOG.
Paul teaches us what it means to be "translated from darkness to Light"
Paul teaches us about God's Grace and how we are not "Under the Law".
Paul teaches how to understand Marriage, what it is, and means.
Paul is the one who teaches what it means to be filled with the Spirit and born again.
Paul is the aposlte who explains that water baptism is not required for Salvation.
Paul is the apostle who teaches what it means to be called into the ministy and the ministy types.
Paul teaches about the Rapture.
And on, on, and on........all this Doctrine for the Church, only comes from Paul.
Actually , you might read Acts 10.
Acts 10 is Ten years after Jesus is back in Heaven, and Peter still had no ided that Gentiles could be saved.
He came to this revelation in Acts 10, but He is not the "Apostle to the Gentiles".
Im only teaching not preaching...., and Paul theology spotlights your cult teaching so you feel like you do.
I understand.
Im here on the Forum, to present Paul's Theology, and because it denies your Cult's Theoleoy, don't blame me.
= Blame your cult, as they deceived you..........they are your issue, not me.
You are on a "chrisitan" forum trying to teach a non-Christian Theology,
Do you expect to be approved?
Listen, if i went to a JW forum, and started telling the JW's that they must be born again, if they want to go to heaven........how long would i last there?
So, these Mods, on this forum, allow heretics to park and preach... so that is why you are still here.
The "WE"... is Everyone who is born again is my "Brethren".
Your posted verse is not related to any other apostles.
So, as usual, you just post any random verse that is not connected to your point.....and .always out of context.
Listen.. Paul is talking to a local assembly of Christians in your verse, and this particular local assembly was the most carnal .....the Corinthians.
They were slow learners........and even after they were Christians for a while, Paul had to always go back to the basics with them.......even having to explain to them that they had the spirit of God in them, as they didnt know it.
These were not deep bible students......they were carnal babies.........they were 'slow to hear".....which means they were very carnal and it was difficult for them to get past it....so Paul was always givng them "milk".... as that is what you do with baby Christians.
A problem that some Jewish apostles had, was that they were so entrenched with Judaism, that sometimes this leaked into their lifestyle.
Paul confronted Peter about this at least once.
Im only teaching what Paul teaches so that the reader can find it and begin to learn His Doctrine, as this is KEY regarding spiritual development. And Paul's theology is also the means to keep Christians from being deceived by a cult theology on a Forum, or from a Pulpit, or from a commentary or Yourtube video or TV Minister.
Aunty Jane
Well-Known Member
400 threads is “real ministry” in your opinion? You sit in front of a computer and type words that so many people disagree with, and you continually tell people to “listen”.....but, do you ever do that?
I have not seen you successfully offer a scripturally supported rebuttal to a single challenge to your beliefs on here.
You ignore what you can’t answer, and then pretend that you have replied to a response.....when you have clearly dodged it.
That’s really funny because you seem to be the only person here who thinks Paul had a “theology” that was superior to what his own teacher offered to the original Apostles.
There is only one truth and theology is not a study of truth or the Bible...it is propaganda used to support a church system, so far out of touch with what Jesus taught, that it’s laughable. Theology is the study of man’s ideas masquerading as Bible truth. Are you a victim?
Really?.....what is your cult called? Paulism? Since when did God thunder from heaven saying “THIS IS MY SUPERIOR APOSTLE PAUL...LISTEN TO HIM”.
If Paul stated that “ALL SCRIPTURE” is written under inspiration from God, (2 Tim 3:16-17) and is beneficial for teaching and setting all things straight, then ALL that is accepted as inspired Scripture, (and that includes the NT writers) please show us where he refers to his own writings as carrying more weight than that of the other Apostles?
The very pillars of your faith are missing.....you have undermined them....
Please define “the gospel”....tell us exactly what it is....and then tell us why Paul never wrote a “gospel” account, in the definition given to it in mainstream Christianity....Paul was taught by Jesus, just like the other apostles were.....since they were all heaven bound, was there rank among the 12 apostles. I remember Jesus giving Peter a special assignment...”the keys of the Kingdom”, but I don’t remember Paul getting anything other than a assignment to preach to the gentiles, which the other apostles did as well. Nor do I remember Jesus elevating any of the apostles in some kind of hierarchy above anybody else who was among the chosen ones. They were all going to be “kings and priests”, along with their master Christ Jesus. (Rev 20:6) The 12 form the foundations of the Kingdom. Where is Paul in that picture?
Do you? You have some way out theology of your own. Do you need approval? Neither did Jesus....and neither does anyone here who has an opinion to share. Informed choice is the only one worth making.....at least here there are choices freely presented so that those who identify as Christians can compare and evaluate things for themselves.....preaching to the converted is not what preaching is for.
And an undefended or indefensible faith is not worth having.
There it is again...”listen”....as if it’s somehow mandatory to listen to one who simply likes the sound of his own self imposed authority.
A Christian forum that does not allow a wide range of views is simply an echo chamber.
If people are not exposed to different viewpoints they end up like you....stuck in a cage with no possible exit because you’ve locked yourself in and thrown away the key. It’s your own belief system that you cannot defend. You have not successfully done so in any exchange I have had with you.
So you have no idea who your brethren are?.....who is everyone who is “born again”....to whom are you a minister? Do your brethren have a name? And are you a global brotherhood who all share the same beliefs, as Paul said? You don’t really think he applied that admonition to just one congregation, do you? What applies to one applies to all. (1 Cor 1:10) How many versions of the truth are there?
Did they stop being Jewish? Can anyone stop being what they were ethnically born to be? Lineage to Abraham did not cease upon becoming a Christian.....Hence the “Hebrew” Christians were still ethnically Hebrews.
Following the religion of Judaism was what they had done all their lives.....that is what they had to leave in favour of following Jesus......it is what the religious leaders had turned God’s worship into, that they had to abandon. (Matt 15:7-9)
Peter was afflicted with a major flaw in his character, and that was fear of man.....he tried to overcome that fear but had lapses from time to time.....which is what Paul confronted him with. Jesus encouraged Peter after his resurrection because he knew how crushed he felt at denying his master on the night of his arrest. With the crowing of that rooster, Peter’s heart was shattered. But Jesus was aware of his good qualities and did not hold it against him.
God is looking for those who love the truth no matter how unpopular it is with the majority. There is only one truth, and those who hold it are going to be hated and persecuted just like the first Christians were (John 15:18-21)....and who were responsible for that hatred? The ones who claimed to serve the same God.
History repeats because people make themselves blind to the truth, never learning the lessons from the past. God’s enemy has no new tricks because the old ones still work so well for him. (2 Cor 4:3-4)
I said that my "real ministry" is in Real life., and my 400+ Thread on this Forum, and similar on all the other forums im on, is just the online work i do when i have time.
I post about 100 Threads a year on this particular forum.
You dont read very carefully.
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@Aunty Jane .. said """""".You ignore what you can’t answer, and then pretend that you have replied to a response.....when you have clearly dodged it."""""
I ignore what isnt related to the topic at hand.
See, you post verses with no context, that are not related to the discussion.
You can't stay on topic, because your cult theology can't do that regarding a discussion with a Real Christian.
And so, you repeat verses that are not related to the discussion..., so i just ignore it.
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@Aunty Jane said.... """""""That’s really funny because you seem to be the only person here who thinks Paul had a “theology” that was superior to what his own teacher offered to the original Apostles."""""""
What Paul Teaches is that Jesus called Him into a solitary Place for 3 yrs, and Christ Him all the Church Doctrine.
He taught Peter.
You've not learned any of it.
I always state that its "Paul's Doctrine" that i teach, because that is what Paul calls it Himself.
Just like He says that ""The Gospel"" that He preaches and teaches is = "MY Gospel".....and any other like the JW Gospel, is "cursed".
Galatians 1:8
Paul's Doctrine, or "Pauline Theology" is simply the Teaching that Paul refers to as His "Doctrine", which Jesus taught Him.
Notice that not all of it is for Doctrine.........some of it is for reproof, or instruction.
Let me give you an example...
Paul told Timothy to "drink some wine for your upset stomach (Stress).""
So, is this "Doctrine".........
Of course not.........Its "instruction".
The Cross of Christ is the "pillar of my Faith".,
God's Grace is the "pillar"..
Its the same with any Real Christian.
Paul's Gospel is....
""Christ Crucified".
"The Preaching of the Cross".
"Jesus dies for the sin of the world, was buried and rose again from the Dead".
"All who call on the name of Jesus shall be saved"..
""""""But as many as received Him, to them God gave He power to become the sons of God, even to those who believe in His name">.
I only teach Paul's Doctrine. (Pauline Theology)
All cult members are permanently confused by it., as you've discovered, and will continue to discover.
All the born again.
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
New Living Translation
There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.
English Standard Version
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Berean Standard Bible
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Berean Literal Bible
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
King James Bible
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Jesus is THE Truth.
John 14:6
mailmandan
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In James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they do not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words the demons do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved.
Their trust and reliance are in Satan (and not in Jesus) as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works. There is a difference between mere "mental assent" belief (as the demons have) and saving belief in Christ, which the demons do not have, and only genuine believers do have.
The demons know exactly who and what Jesus represents. They know and believe he can save them they just reject it. Free will
mailmandan
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Like I said, the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they do not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words the demons do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved.
Once again, there is a difference between mere "mental assent" belief (as the demons have) and saving belief in Christ, which the demons do not have, and only genuine believers do have.
The demons also believe that the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ "happened" BUT they are not trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for salvation. (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) That is the difference between believing in your head and believing in your heart. (Romans 10:8-10)
Aunty Jane
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Was there ever a basis for God to forgive the angels who followed Satan into rebellion?
Could those who were individually created in perfection, without the defect of sin, ever have a basis to repent? Perhaps a basis to regret, but not to deliberately fall away in full knowledge of their sin and it’s consequences.
What is the place reserved for the devil and his cohorts? (Matt 25:31-33, 41) They know exactly where they are going.
The Bible does not give Adam and his wife a basis for forgiveness, nor do we see a word of repentance from either of them, only a quiet resignation of their fate.
Perfect beings do not make mistakes.....they commit sin deliberately and have no excuse or reason to do so. Having free will, like all of God’s intelligent children, they chose to rebel because they wanted to....or were led to by selfish thinking. The devil planted the seeds of doubt.....and they did the rest of their own free will.
Adam and his wife chose to disobey God, but did not have an excuse or valid reason to do so....it is their children, born in sin through no fault on their part, who have the only basis for God’s forgiveness, provided through the death of his son.
If we understand what redemption is, it all makes sense.
They “believe” in the existence of God because they have spent untold eons of time in his presence....so it’s something they cannot deny, nor was there ever a time when God had not cared for his own creation.
Angels are spirit beings endowed with great power and abilities that humans do not have. They threw in their lot with the devil because he convinced them that following him would show them what true freedom was.....isn’t that what he tempted Eve with?......being “like God, knowing good and bad”...making your own choices? He was the one who wanted to “be like God”.
They knew exactly what they were doing when they rebelled....and their words to Jesus, when he was on earth expelling these demons, shows that they were fully aware of their eventual fate....but not exactly when it was going to happen. (Luke 8:27-31)
Angels rebelling, and humans doing so, are two entirely different things....yet both are to receive the same destiny. The “goats” are to go into the same place as the devil and his demons...everlasting destruction.
As the now defective children of Adam and his wife, flawed by the sin they introduced into all of their offspring, we alone are provided with the hope of restoration on the basis of Jesus’ ransom. Jesus died as a human to pay for what Adam did to us (Rom 5:12)......there is no ransom for angels, who are not mortals of flesh and blood like us....nor do they have a sinful nature, such as what was passed on to us. With no excuse, they are reconciled to their fate, but are determined to take as many humans down with them as they can in these “last days”. (Rev 12: 7-12)
Deception is their stock in trade....masterful deception means that nothing in this world is as it appears.
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