Of what value is retribution against humankind to God? - Love your enemies?
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David in NJ
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David in NJ
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Elephants are not known for 'ignorance' but they are know for having a very good memory as well as thoughtful socialization amongst themselves and of their enemies.
God gave them a trumpet that acts as a hand and breathing tube = amazing animal!!!
The elephants will be sounding off their trumpets at the Second Coming of Christ
Behold
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Yes.
God gives everyone the offer of Christ........right until they die.
After this..>"the judgment"...........
This is where all will meet God as eternal Father, or as eternal JUDGE.
Become a Christian before we die, and we wont meet God as Judge......but only as our Heavenly Father.
Behold
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Your Gospel leads people to hell......as that is what Universalism is designed by the Devil to do. @St. SteVen
See, your "Universalism" gospel, teaches that the unforgiven, and never born again on earth , will still go to Heaven.
By the time they get to he'll it is too late,
2 Cor
6 As God’s fellow workers we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain. 2 For he says,
‘In the time of my favour I heard you,
and in the day of salvation I helped you.’[a]
I tell you, now is the time of God’s favour, now is the day of salvation.
Not sometime after they reach hell.
You have considerable Bible knowledge and theological knowledge and know the standard answer to this tired argument that God is unjust in punishing people with hell.
Is God perfectly holy? Is he perfectly just? Is he perfectly merciful?
Does the unrepentant sinner deserve hell?
Aunty Jane
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The second death is eternal. There is no immortal soul to survive death....so the Bible speaks about resurrection, which is a restoration of life, not a continuation of it.
One of the better known resurrections was Jesus raising of his friend Lazarus.
Read the account and see what Jesus said about his friend....(John 11:11-14)
Aunty Jane
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Good question!
He answers through Paul’s words in Romans 12:17-21 by saying.....
“Return evil for evil to no one. Take into consideration what is fine from the viewpoint of all men. 18 If possible, as far as it depends on you, be peaceable with all men. 19 Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: “‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay,’ says Jehovah.” 20 But “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this you will heap fiery coals on his head.” 21 Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good.”
Paul was quoting Prov 25:21-22.
David in NJ
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Hello AuntyGood question!
He answers through Paul’s words in Romans 12:17-21 by saying.....
“Return evil for evil to no one. Take into consideration what is fine from the viewpoint of all men. 18 If possible, as far as it depends on you, be peaceable with all men. 19 Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: “‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay,’ says Jehovah.” 20 But “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this you will heap fiery coals on his head.” 21 Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good.”
Paul was quoting Prov 25:21-22.
Aunty Jane
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Of what value is retribution against humankind to God? - Love your enemies?
No matter what your view is on the final judgement/evaluation of humankind,
what would be the value of retribution against humankind? What does it accomplish?
Three views of the final judgment:
- Damnationism (eternal punishment)
- Annihilationism (destruction of the wicked)
- Universalism (ultimate redemption)
Jesus taught us to love our enemies.
What should He do with His own?
Behold
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Unless a person is born again on earth, before they die, then they dont belong to God, now or after they die.
They belong to this one..
= "You are of YOUR FATHER the Devil..", and none of those will be found in God's family, not now, or after THEY die.
So, unless that changes before you die, then you end up with the Devil, in the place that was ''created for the devil and his angels".
The Cross of Christ gives us all the way out, but its not automatic.
Countless billions have gone to the afterlife with no opportunity to comply with your protestant evangelical requirements.
What does God plan to do with them?
Are you claiming that the Atonement was insufficient to the task?
1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Behold
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You like to falsely accuse God of not allowing everying the chance to trust in Christ.
Its one more thing that you enjoy posting over and over again on this forum.
THe only thing you seem to like better is to try to disown and disavow the bible.
And the only thing you enjoy doing more then that, is bumping your old dead Threads over and over. @St. SteVen
Even protestant evangelicals recognize that there are STILL unreached people groups.
Joshua Project - Reaching the Unreached | Joshua Project
Joshua Project is a research initiative seeking to identify the ethnic people groups of the world with the fewest followers of Jesus. Join us in reaching the unreached.
joshuaproject.net
Behold
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A real Evangelist wont agree that "billions" never heard the Gospel and died never having a chance to believe.
So, this is all your pipe dream, as is your theology,
Its unfortunate that you never found the truth, before the cult theology took over you mind, (Universalism,ect).
I dont think the Internet is a safe place for you to play, as you are too easily misled.
A "real" evangelist is a fool that won't face the facts.
Explain how it is that everyone who ever lived heard your 20th century protestant evangelical gospel.
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