The Great Tribulation Began in 70AD and Continues to This Very Day

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Contrary to popular belief, the Great Tribulation is not something that will happen in the future. It began in 70AD with the destruction of Jerusalem and continues to this very day.

Here is the famous verse:

Matthew 24:21 - "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

Since context is important for determining the precise timing, it is always a good idea to review the surrounding verses:

Matthew 24:15 - "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)"

Matthew 24:15 is where most stumble. No effort is made to properly unpack the rich amount of information contained within the verse. Let us break it down.

See
The first mistake most folks make is interpreting the word 'see' as 'seeing physically with the eyes'. We now go to the original Greek:

Strong's Greek 3708: horaó
Properly, see, often with metaphorical meaning: "to see with the mind" (i.e. spiritually see), i.e. perceive (with inward spiritual perception).

As we can 'see', there is more than one meaning. So how do we know which meaning is intended? Thankfully, the Holy Spirit gave us the answer right in the verse itself.

let him understand
The instructions are clear. We are to interpret the word 'see' as well as the entire verse itself, through the lens of understanding. In other words, with metaphorical meaning: "to see with the mind" (i.e. spiritually see), i.e. perceive (with inward spiritual perception).

So, what is it that the reader is to understand?

abomination of desolation
The Abomination of Desolation was the Crucifixion that ultimately led to the desolation, i.e., the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. This was prophesied many times in the Old Testament, especially in the Book of Daniel. Therefore, the reader of Daniel was to understand what the Abomination of Desolation was and when it was to occur.

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All of the dates were precisely laid out ahead of time. Anyone living in Daniel's time, that had a good grasp of their ancient manuscripts, could have easily deciphered it.

Simply put, when the reader 'saw' as in spiritually understood the meaning of the Abomination of Desolation, they would know that when the Crucifixion occurred, they would have roughly forty-five years to move away from Jerusalem before her desolation. The following verses make it absolutely clear that the desolation was to occur in Judea:

Matthew 24:16-21 - "Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

God was kind enough to give the residents plenty of time to start their lives over.

And here we are, thousands of years later after the Great Tribulation began. The only thing left for the world to experience is the Man of Sin to be revealed at end of the world:

Matthew 24:29 - "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

Again, the phrase 'those days' is referring to the period of time from 70AD to a yet future end point. There is no coming Great Tribulation. We are in it! Many verses attest to this:

John 16:33 - "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."

Tribulation has been happening all along. And as a believer in the Harpazo, I would also include a Rapture event coming before the sun is darkened, etc.

The great irony in all of this is that both sides are technically correct. The Harpazo does come after the Great Tribulation *AND YET* the next event that is coming is the Harpazo itself because we are already in the Great Tribulation. Everyone wins... almost.
 

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there are no evidence that the great tribulation took place none of the sings appeared as of yet.

Please do research on duality of prophecy this is important for your understanding of these end time prophecies. it is crucial you understand this concept.

Unfortunately this seem to be at this time a growing movement that the tribulation already occurred but this idea is false and cannot be proven in any way.
 

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How do reconcile that with the Bible saying great tribulation ends before the sun is darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken

Acts says that was fulfilled prior to the book of Acts.

Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
 

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Contrary to popular belief, the Great Tribulation is not something that will happen in the future. It began in 70AD with the destruction of Jerusalem and continues to this very day.
"False" Reformed Theology

The Great tribulation of Matthew 24:21 is future unfulfilled and will Start when (The Man Of Sin) (The Beast) is revealed to the world in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God Messiah to the Jews, he will be given 3.5 years to rule from Jerusalem and the unsaved world will worship him
 

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The Abomination of Desolation was the Crucifixion that ultimately led to the desolation, i.e., the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. This was prophesied many times in the Old Testament, especially in the Book of Daniel. Therefore, the reader of Daniel was to understand what the Abomination of Desolation was and when it was to occur.
"Daniel's AOD Is Future" and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" The Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled


Matthew 24:15KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But
the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2:
the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations
he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 

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The Great tribulation of Matthew 24:21 is future unfulfilled and will Start when (The Man Of Sin) (The Beast) is revealed to the world in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God Messiah to the Jews, he will be given 3.5 years to rule from Jerusalem and the unsaved world will worship him
The great tribulation is future, unfulfilled.... I agree.

The great tribulation will begin when the false prophet has a statue image made of the beast king and places it on the temple mount - 1335 days (Daniel 12:12) before Jesus returns.

The beast-king will rule 42 months (unimpeded by the two witnesses who will have left this world) before Jesus returns.

The beast-king kills the two witnesses on day 1260 of the 7 years. Their bodies will lay dead in the street of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days. Then God brings them back alive and calls them up to heaven. Leaving 1256 1/2 days in the 7 years. The 1256 1/2 days is the 42 months.

day 1....................day 1260.....day 1263 1/2...............( leaving 1256 1/2 days - called 42 months in Revelation 13:5).......day 2520 Jesus returns.
 

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will Start when (The Man Of Sin) (The Beast) is revealed to the world in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God Messiah to the Jews, he will be given 3.5 years to rule from Jerusalem and the unsaved world will worship him

To me it still comes across as bizarre that someone can be an Amil and then hold a view such as this, a dispy view that mainly Pretribbers hold.

I don't have an issue with an Amil holding this view--The Great tribulation of Matthew 24:21 is future unfulfilled. But to add to that, this---when (The Man Of Sin) (The Beast) is revealed to the world in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God Messiah to the Jews, he will be given 3.5 years to rule from Jerusalem and the unsaved world will worship him--comes across as bizarre the fact you insist you are an Amil.

Why is it that you were able to abandon Pretrib, Premil, in favor of Amil, but were unable to also abandon this idea--when (The Man Of Sin) (The Beast) is revealed to the world in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God Messiah to the Jews, he will be given 3.5 years to rule from Jerusalem and the unsaved world will worship him?

Name some Amils that agree with you in regards to this--when (The Man Of Sin) (The Beast) is revealed to the world in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God Messiah to the Jews, he will be given 3.5 years to rule from Jerusalem and the unsaved world will worship him.

That couldn't possibly be a view any other Amils hold other than you. Unless of course you prove otherwise by submitting some names of Amils who agree with you here.

It is obviously a major red flag if only one Amil on the entire planet, past or present, holds to a view such as this. Anyone with any common sense at least knows that it is not reasonable that only one person on the planet is interpreting something correctly and that no one else is other than them.
 

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How do reconcile that with the Bible saying great tribulation ends before the sun is darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken

Acts says that was fulfilled prior to the book of Acts.

Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Hi @IndianaRob . You brought up a perfect verse that actually proves the point of this thread.

Let's look at a more complete picture of the context:

Acts 2:17 - "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"

As the title of this thread suggests, we have been living in the 'last days' since 70AD. Therefore, 'last days' and 'Great Tribulation' are synonymous and have been going on all this time.

Jesus promised he would send the Comforter. He will 'pour out his Spirit upon all flesh'. Some will accept it, some will not.

Here we see it again:

Acts 2:18 - "And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:"

Jesus sends the Holy Ghost. Some will prophecy. Note that simply reading Scripture out loud can be considered prophesying as so many Christians do today.

Acts 2:19 - "And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:"

God is always showing signs and wonders. This we know as Christians.

Acts 2:20 - "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:"

Acts 2:20 is referring to a yet future point in time that we have not arrived at yet.

Acts 2:21 - "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

For thousands of years now, whoever calls on the name of the Lord is saved.

Life is good!
 
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"False" Reformed Theology

The Great tribulation of Matthew 24:21 is future unfulfilled and will Start when (The Man Of Sin) (The Beast) is revealed to the world in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God Messiah to the Jews, he will be given 3.5 years to rule from Jerusalem and the unsaved world will worship him

Thanks @Truth7t7 . I was wondering when you would show up in one of my threads. :waves:

Yeah, that's a popular interpretation so we shall see what becomes of it all.
 

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Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations
he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

My interpretation:
  • He: Jesus
  • shall confirm the Covenant: Confirms New Covenant
  • with many: With whoever listens and believes
  • for one week: 70th and final week of Daniel's prophecy
  • and in the midst of the week: Three and a half years into his ministry
  • he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease: The finished work of the Cross made sacrifices obsolete
  • for the overspreading of abominations: The Crucifixion was the abomination that would make Jerusalem desolate
  • he shall make it desolate: 70AD siege
  • even until the consummation: in other words, the end of the 1260, 1290, 1335, 2300 year timeline
  • and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate: Wrath and vengeance for Jerusalem in 70AD
 
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The beast-king will rule 42 months (unimpeded by the two witnesses who will have left this world) before Jesus returns.

The beast-king kills the two witnesses on day 1260 of the 7 years.
Their bodies will lay dead in the street of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days. Then God brings them back alive and calls them up to heaven. Leaving 1256 1/2 days in the 7 years. The 1256 1/2 days is the 42 months.
Your Claims Are 100% "False"

The Future Great Tribulation Is 3.5 Years Long, The Beast And Two Witnesses Will Be On This Earth "Together" In Power Until The End


The book of Revelation is seen in "Parallel" teachings of same events, not "Chronological" as dispensationalism falsely teaches

Example: Revelation 11:18 Is The One And Only Final Judgement, A Parallel Teaching Of Revelation 20:11-15 in Final Judgement

"Fact" The Scripture Below Teaches (The Beast) and (Two Witnesses) Are On This Earth Together To See The Final Hours Of Earth's Existence

You clearly see in Revelation 13:5 that (The Beast) is given 42 months/3.5 years

Revelation 13:5KJV
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

You clearly see in Revelation 11:3 that the (Two Witnesses) are given 1260 days/3.5 years

Revelation 11:3KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

You see (The Beast) killing the (Two Witnesses) upon this earth Rev 11:7, both were given 3.5 years of power, you see the (Two Witnesses) laying dead in Jerusalem for 3.5 days in the street as the world celebrates, you see the (Two Witnesses) raised to heaven as the 2nd woe in the Great earthquake takes place, the 3rd woe comes quickly in the 7th angel sounding (The End) Revelation 11:18 the final judgment (The End)

Conclusion: (The Beast) and (Two Witnesses) are present upon earth in power for the exact same time of 3.5 years in "Parallel" and this time ends in the 7th angel sounding in the second coming final judgment (The End)

Revelation 11:7-18KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
 
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To me it still comes across as bizarre that someone can be an Amil and then hold a view such as this, a dispy view that mainly Pretribbers hold.

I don't have an issue with an Amil holding this view--The Great tribulation of Matthew 24:21 is future unfulfilled. But to add to that, this---when (The Man Of Sin) (The Beast) is revealed to the world in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God Messiah to the Jews, he will be given 3.5 years to rule from Jerusalem and the unsaved world will worship him--comes across as bizarre the fact you insist you are an Amil.

Why is it that you were able to abandon Pretrib, Premil, in favor of Amil, but were unable to also abandon this idea--when (The Man Of Sin) (The Beast) is revealed to the world in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God Messiah to the Jews, he will be given 3.5 years to rule from Jerusalem and the unsaved world will worship him?
Because the Holy Bible clearly teaches the bad guy is given 3.5 years and he will be on the earth until the consummation Daniel 9:27, the AOD in Matthew 24:15 causes the great tribulation to start seen in Matthew 24:21, and Jesus returns immediately after the 3.5 year tribulation Matthew 24:29-31, with all events above being tied together inseparable
Name some Amils that agree with you in regards to this--when (The Man Of Sin) (The Beast) is revealed to the world in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God Messiah to the Jews, he will be given 3.5 years to rule from Jerusalem and the unsaved world will worship him.

That couldn't possibly be a view any other Amils hold other than you. Unless of course you prove otherwise by submitting some names of Amils who agree with you here.

It is obviously a major red flag if only one Amil on the entire planet, past or present, holds to a view such as this. Anyone with any common sense at least knows that it is not reasonable that only one person on the planet is interpreting something correctly and that no one else is other than them.
"Reformed Ahmillennialism" denies that a future human man will represent the (Man Of Sin) (The Beast) they remove this literal future evil man through smoke and mirrors in symbolic allegory

"Reformed Ahmillennialism" does the same smoke and mirrors symbolic allegory to the (Two Witnesses) seen in Revelation Chapter 11 that will be literal prophets returned in physical bodies, that bring literal plagues upon this literal world, that will die in physical bodies and lay dead in a literal street in Jerusalem as a literal world watches in celebration of their death's
 

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My interpretation:
  • He: Jesus
  • shall confirm the Covenant: Confirms New Covenant
  • with many: With whoever listens and believes
  • for one week: 70th and final week of Daniel's prophecy
  • and in the midst of the week: Three and a half years into his ministry
  • he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease: The finished work of the Cross made sacrifices obsolete
  • for the overspreading of abominations: The Crucifixion was the abomination that would make Jerusalem desolate
  • he shall make it desolate: 70AD siege
  • even until the consummation: in other words, the end of the 1260, 1290, 1335, 2300 year timeline
  • and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate: Wrath and vengeance for Jerusalem in 70AD
You present the standard false teachings found in John N. Darby 1830's and C.I. Scofield's 1909 reference Bible that maintained Darby's teachings in the Margin's, better known as "Dispensationalism" with the world headquarters being found at "Dallas Theological Cemetary" that finds its foundational roots in Adulterer C.I. Scofield's Dallas Church, with (Lewis S. Chafer) being a disciple of Scofield and a church member

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy "Future" Literal Weeks Explained?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 "Future" literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the future armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building. Luke 21:24, Rev 11:2

The 70th literal week will see (The Beast/The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time, where (The Beast) and (Two Witnesses) will be present on this earth together, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharoh of Egypt in literal plagues brought by the (Two Witnesses) upon this world as often as they will Revelation 11:6, the sealed church is protected from these plagues

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
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As the title of this thread suggests, we have been living in the 'last days' since 70AD. Therefore, 'last days' and 'Great Tribulation' are synonymous and have been going on all this time.
Your 70AD Reformed Preterist Theology Is "False"

The scripture below shows "The Great Tribulation" will be a final event that has never been seen in history, worse than World War II as we know it

Your claim of progressive tribulation over Millennia fulfilling Matthew 24:21 below is "Reformed Theology's Fabricated Fairy Tale", before your eyes read it again and again it's a "Future" Event In Time Unfulfilled, the greatest and last tribulation "No, Nor Ever Shall Be"

Will you disregard God's word of truth before your eyes below and continue promoting Reformed Preterist Theology?

Jesus Is The Lord

(This Time) A Specific Future Event In Time Unfulfilled

Matthew 24:21KJV
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
 
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and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate: Wrath and vengeance for Jerusalem in 70AD
More "False" Reformed Preterist Theology

The cup to be poured out is God's wrath upon the unsaved wicked desolate world at the Lord's "Future" second coming, 70AD played no part in this future event, and not forgetting the book of Revelation was written in 96AD some 26 years after 70AD and the many false claims made in 70AD fulfillment

Revelation 14:10KJV
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

God's Cup Of Wrath Is Poured Out At The Ultimate End In Final Judgement

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
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The Future Great Tribulation Is 3.5 Years Long, The Beast And Two Witnesses Will Be On This Earth "Together" In Power Until The End
The great tribulation will be a little longer than 3.5 years (1260 days). The great tribulation will be 1335 days long.

The Antichrist person becomes the beast-king near the end of the two witnesses 1260 days (the first half of the 7 years). A statue image will be made of the beast-king and placed on the temple mount beginning the great tribulation - 1335 days before Jesus returns.

When the abomination of desolation statue image is placed on the temple mount, it will be near the end of the 1260 days of the two witnesses. The two witnesses's mission will be warning the Jews in Jerusalem what's coming and not to trust in their Antichrist perceived messiah. That Jesus is the true messiah.

When the abomination of desolation statue image is placed on the temple mount, that is the signal for the Jews in Judea to flee to the mountains.

For 75 days the two witnesses will battle the beast as the Jews flee. After the 75 days are over, the beast overcomes them and the two witnesses will be killed. Then, 3 1/2 days later come back to life, and are called up to heaven.

So, in the 1256 1/2 days left in the 7 years, called 42 months, the beast king will rule unimpeded by the two witnesses who will no longer be around but gone to heaven.


two witnesse first half.jpg
 

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Your Claims Are 100% "False"

The Future Great Tribulation Is 3.5 Years Long, The Beast And Two Witnesses Will Be On This Earth "Together" In Power Until The End


The book of Revelation is seen in "Parallel" teachings of same events, not "Chronological" as dispensationalism falsely teaches

Example: Revelation 11:18 Is The One And Only Final Judgement, A Parallel Teaching Of Revelation 20:11-15 in Final Judgement

"Fact" The Scripture Below Teaches (The Beast) and (Two Witnesses) Are On This Earth Together To See The Final Hours Of Earth's Existence

You clearly see in Revelation 13:5 that (The Beast) is given 42 months/3.5 years

Revelation 13:5KJV
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

You clearly see in Revelation 11:3 that the (Two Witnesses) are given 1260 days/3.5 years

Revelation 11:3KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

You see (The Beast) killing the (Two Witnesses) upon this earth Rev 11:7, both were given 3.5 years of power, you see the (Two Witnesses) laying dead in Jerusalem for 3.5 days in the street as the world celebrates, you see the (Two Witnesses) raised to heaven as the 2nd woe in the Great earthquake takes place, the 3rd woe comes quickly in the 7th angel sounding (The End) Revelation 11:18 the final judgment (The End)

Conclusion: (The Beast) and (Two Witnesses) are present upon earth in power for the exact same time of 3.5 years in "Parallel" and this time ends in the 7th angel sounding in the second coming final judgment (The End)

Revelation 11:7-18KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Let me ask you this if I can stop laughing first at your proposterous proposed math. This 3.5 years, are they literal years? If yes, how many literal days does 3.5 years involve? Can they fit within a time period involving 7 literal days? After all, you yourself insist 490 literal days are meant.
 
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The great tribulation will be a little longer than 3.5 years (1260 days). The great tribulation will be 1335 days long.

The Antichrist person becomes the beast-king near the end of the two witnesses 1260 days (the first half of the 7 years). A statue image will be made of the beast-king and placed on the temple mount beginning the great tribulation - 1335 days before Jesus returns.

When the abomination of desolation statue image is placed on the temple mount, it will be near the end of the 1260 days of the two witnesses. The two witnesses's mission will be warning the Jews in Jerusalem what's coming and not to trust in their Antichrist perceived messiah. That Jesus is the true messiah.

When the abomination of desolation statue image is placed on the temple mount, that is the signal for the Jews in Judea to flee to the mountains.

For 75 days the two witnesses will battle the beast as the Jews flee. After the 75 days are over, the beast overcomes them and the two witnesses will be killed. Then, 3 1/2 days later come back to life, and are called up to heaven.

So, in the 1256 1/2 days left in the 7 years, called 42 months, the beast king will rule unimpeded by the two witnesses who will no longer be around but gone to heaven.


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Your claims and charts don't line up with scripture, you've clearly been shown in Revelation Chapter 11 alone that (The Beast) and (The Two Witnesses) will be on this earth together up to the final hours, Revelation 11:18 is the "final judgement", your claims are silenced

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(The Final Judgement)

Revelation 11:18KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
 
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Your claims and charts don't line up with scripture, you've clearly been shown in Revelation Chapter 11 alone that (The Beast) and (The Two Witnesses) will be on this earth together up to the final hours, Revelation 11:18 is the "final judgement", your claims are silenced

Jesus Is The Lord
When the two witnesses are killed, people all around the world will celebrate their deaths, sending presents to one another. Revelation 11:10.

That sort of celebration cannot take place in the final hours, days, of the 7 years - but before the great tribulation gets into world wide devastation.

The judgment in Revelation 11:18 is not the "final judgment". The judgment in Revelation 11:18 is for giving rewards to the prophets and saints who have passed away in the past.