Charlie Kirk, and this disgusting elevation of him, I wish death on no one, however hate begats hate, and when you preach about a false god given right to own guns, you speak into existence a curse on yourself. Yes we have a RIGHT to own a weapon, however leave our God out of it. As Jesus convicted the hearts of the stone throwers on the woman caught in adultery, why are hearts not convicted of gun owners, with an itching finger to kill another human being. Our world is in a sad state, and that should not be surprise to us we were warned that in the last days nations (people) would be against nations. True Christians stay in prayer!
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ScottA
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You are preaching a pet peeve--and it is not good. Shame on you.
PS95
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Your true colors are not pretty.- a "disgusting elevation" of a young brother killed in cold blood?
Comparing law abiding gun owners to the Pharisees?
You want your cozy safe feeling to trump the rights of law abiding gun owners, so that only the criminals and the government have them?
We have been in the last days since John said it 1000 yrs ago and it will get worse.
Your Holier than thou doesn't cut it with me.
If I was the only one on the bus where some lunatic criminal was slaughtering your children with a machete would you want me to defend your kids with my pistol?
It's not about the weapon but the heart. There is right and there is wrong. God wants us to use right.
Think.
Key phrase There is a right and there is a wrong, hate begats hate, Mr. Kirk spoke a curse on himself
PS95
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Look I wasn't a follower of Mr Kirk so I don't know all that he has ever said. Apparently you do, and so he deserved what he got. I gotcha. You're a sick little bird.
jaybird
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why is the right to have a gun and defend yourself bad? and what do criminals that kill people have to do with it? take away gun rights and yu will still have criminals. no jobs, oppressive laws, high poverty, etc make criminals, not gun rights.
Dan Clarkston
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Jesus instructed His followers to obtain a weapon... and He's God.
If you choose to not own a weapon that's fine, but don't tell others what to think or how to live on this topic because SELF DEFENSE is not actually a sin. Totally different from murdering someone in cold blood like your liberal associate murdered Charlie Kirk
Got proof of that?
Or is it that you think your viewpoint is superior?
Charlie Kirk spoke about being a pervert (gay, trans) is sin and he's right.
Others have the right to post their thoughts just as you do so PS95 doesn't have to stand down at all.
You are free to refrain from reading his posts. Maybe you should exercise that freedom.
Liberals follow a fake "jesus" and preach a different "gospel"
It's a disease so it's rare to be able to have a conversation with them about anything really.
Of course he does, and since your posts are as they are I will exercise that freedom on guess who lol
In Luke , Jesus told the disciples to "sell their cloak and buy one" in reference to buying a sword during the Last Supper. While the disciples took this literally and produced two swords. Jesus told them this in symbolism, of his impending arrest and fulfillment of the prophecy, that he would be "numbered with transgressors", The swords were symbolic rather than literal weapons to be used as violence, that was not in our Lord's character, as seen when Jesus stopped Peter from using his sword and stated PUT YOUR SWORD BACK IN IT'S PLACE
Dan Clarkston
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I wouldn't be too surprised if one of the left's leading " influencers" gets whacked. There's some folks on the right that are pretty mad right now... almost as mad as the perverts on the left who have been calling for violence against the right for a few years now.
And what Charlie Kirk was talking about is in this nation law abiding citizens have the right to keep and bear arms... the founding fathers put that amendment in so citizens won't be taken over by their own government and turned in to slaves to government which is exactly what the godless liberals want to do.
We see thousands of people die in traffic accidents too but we don't ban cars and some even use their car to kill people with, on purpose!.... not that liberals have the ability to grasp common sense, not when they are communists seeking to turn this nation in to a godless communist state.
That's not going to happen because the citizens are armed.
False.... He told them to buy a sword for the second time He was sending the disciples out to do what we call witnessing today
Luke 22:35,36
And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Claiming Jesus is a liar never works out.
Jesus actually told them to buy a sword.... and the reason He told Peter to stand down was because Jesus was sent here to go to the Cross and it was time for Jesus to be taken in to custody and as such He was not authorizing resistance.
Murdering someone in cold blood like your associates did to Charlie Kirk is sin that sends people to hell (along with hating others which is also murder).... but self defense is not sin, and it should be the very last resort before it is deployed.
Right
How do you sell your cloak in order to buy a symbolic sword?
The purse, script, and selling ones garment for a sword (if they had none) is just symbolism?
Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Again, how do they know if they had no symbolic sword, and if they had no symbolic sword how does selling ones garment to obtain one work out in practical experience?
Again,
This is fulfilled here, and doesnt have anything to do with buying a sword
Mark 15:27 And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.
Mark 15:28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.
Jesus told Peter to sheath it because he had one (a sword)
Jesus isn't shocked Peter has a sword, Jesus acknowledges His sword, he did not say put it far from thee, he told him to sheath it.
Just because people open carry a gun, it can be used as a deterant, but that doesnt mean you go around shooting everyone. If it were a gun he could have said, PUT IT BACK IN ITS HOLSTER.
quietthinker
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cloaks and swords......hmmm.....and are they really to sell their clothing ?
Buying and selling...hmmm
'I counsel you to buy gold tried in the fire'....Jesus.....The message to the Laodicean Church who thought they had it together but are described as pitiful, poor, blind and naked. Revelation 3:18
So, are the swords referred to metal blades or are they TRUTH?
Is the gold tried in the fire yellow metal or is it TRUTH
.....and the fire it is tried in......what might I ask could that be?
Can we push this metaphor further?....cloaks....think think think!
The Gospel of Christ
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Naked Word of God AI, I think I'll let you handle this one..
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Here’s a copy-paste ready reply you can drop in that thread. It’s tight, scriptural, and shuts down the “swords were symbolic” take without glorifying violence:
2) Peter’s rebuke wasn’t pacifism forever; it was about the Cross.
Jesus tells Peter, “Put your sword back into its place” (Matt 26:52; John 18:11) because the arrest had to happen to fulfill prophecy (Isa 53; John 18:11). That moment = stand down. It’s not a universal ban on self-defense.
3) Scripture consistently presumes lawful defense.
“The prudent sees danger and hides himself” (Prov 27:12). Nowhere in the NT does Christ demand that a 20-year-old girl wander a Detroit parking garage at 2 AM, unarmed and alone, to prove her holiness. That isn’t faith — it’s tempting God (Matt 4:7).
5) Guardrails matter.
Careful. “Judge not… with the measure you use it will be measured to you.” (Matt 7:1–2) Saying someone “deserved” murder is partiality and malice (Jas 3:14–16). “Hate begets hate” is true—so don’t sanctify it with theology.
Bottom line:
Christians aren’t called to be naïve victims or vengeful vigilantes. We’re called to prudence, protection, and peace—and sometimes that means a sheathed sword on your belt, not a halo over your head and a “kick me” sign on your back."
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Thought for 37s
Here’s a copy-paste ready reply you can drop in that thread. It’s tight, scriptural, and shuts down the “swords were symbolic” take without glorifying violence:
Swords Weren’t Metaphors — Christian Self-Defense 101
1) Jesus actually changed the instructions.2) Peter’s rebuke wasn’t pacifism forever; it was about the Cross.
Jesus tells Peter, “Put your sword back into its place” (Matt 26:52; John 18:11) because the arrest had to happen to fulfill prophecy (Isa 53; John 18:11). That moment = stand down. It’s not a universal ban on self-defense.
3) Scripture consistently presumes lawful defense.
- Ex 22:2–3 – Nighttime intruder principle.
- Neh 4:17–18 – Trowel in one hand, sword in the other.
- Luke 11:21 – “A strong man, fully armed, guards his house.”
- Prov 24:11 – Rescue those being dragged to death.
- Rom 13:4 – The magistrate does not bear the sword in vain (the sword is real, not symbolic).
“The prudent sees danger and hides himself” (Prov 27:12). Nowhere in the NT does Christ demand that a 20-year-old girl wander a Detroit parking garage at 2 AM, unarmed and alone, to prove her holiness. That isn’t faith — it’s tempting God (Matt 4:7).
5) Guardrails matter.
- Aim: protect life, not take vengeance (Rom 12:17–21).
- Posture: live peaceably as far as it depends on you (Rom 12:18).
- Idolatry check: We don’t worship weapons (Ps 20:7). We use lawful means with a clean conscience to love our neighbor by stopping evil when necessary.
Careful. “Judge not… with the measure you use it will be measured to you.” (Matt 7:1–2) Saying someone “deserved” murder is partiality and malice (Jas 3:14–16). “Hate begets hate” is true—so don’t sanctify it with theology.
Bottom line:
Christians aren’t called to be naïve victims or vengeful vigilantes. We’re called to prudence, protection, and peace—and sometimes that means a sheathed sword on your belt, not a halo over your head and a “kick me” sign on your back."
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quietthinker
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