Survey - Is Repentance important to salvation?

[marks]

wow marks- this is looking like cognitive dissonance--

These passages need to be harmonized to each other, and I know where that harmony is.

If you want to continue to look at this with me, let's not jump from one to the next without coming to terms with the passage we are looking at.

Colossians 3:1-5 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
5) Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

Do you see how this passage is teaching that the one who is risen with Christ now will appear with Him then? Are you suggesting that this is not what it says? Or do you recognize this is the teaching of this passage, but think there are unstated caveats?

Again, no need to feel you must respond.

Much love!

 

[PS95]

I'm not posting specifically to you. Though you indicated that you just wanted to interract with Scriptures. Even so, I post for the reader. Feel free to not respond to me.

Personally I think there has been a breakdown in our communication, which saddens me, but I respect your choice to not continue.

Much love!

I don't want to make you feel sad. But when a person ignores scripture posed to them repeatedly- what is left to say?

Just try to accept it. There are more like it. I know in most churches only about half accept your view of osas.
We just don't make a big deal out of it because it upsets some people too much to think they have something wrong.
If they are walking with the Lord and don't have everything right- so what. Who has it everything right?

 

[PS95]

These passages need to be harmonized to each other, and I know where that harmony is.

If you want to continue to look at this with me, let's not jump from one to the next without coming to terms with the passage we are looking at.

Colossians 3:1-5 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
5) Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

Do you see how this passage is teaching that the one who is risen with Christ now will appear with Him then? Are you suggesting that this is not what it says? Or do you recognize this is the teaching of this passage, but think there are unstated caveats?

Again, no need to feel you must respond.

Much love!

Colossians 3:1-5 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
5) Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:


Of course I agree with scripture- note what ALL of it says.
MY argument with you is that you say a person who does not deaden their members to the above sins and lives in them until death is still saved. It says it clear as DAY>.
NO- he is not.

Eph 5:
But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; 4and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7Therefore do not be partakers with them; 8for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light 9(for the fruit of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth), 10trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord. 11Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;

 

[marks]

Of course I agree with scripture- note what ALL of it says.
MY argument with you is that you say a person who does not deaden their members to the above sins and lives in them until death is still saved. It says it clear as DAY>.
NO- he is not.

So you are saying there is an internal contradiction in the Scripture? I can't imagine you actually believe that.

There is no ambiguity in Paul's statement.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Salvation…is Only gifted (received) unto a man AFTER an accounted bodily Death.

From my studies…
For a man to receive Salvation… while his Body IS mortally Alive…but accounted Dead

The mans Word … from his Hearts’ (not Mind) thoughts…of Repentance and Belief and willingness of his Body to be Crucified with Jesus’ Body…

IS: the protocol For:
That man to Receive his Gift of salvation ONCE and Forever, while mortally alive.

* The mans Body is Accounted Dead.
* The man is Accounted Forgiven For having HAD unbelief.
* The mans Soul is Restored.
* The man is Baptized by the Lamb of God..
* The mans Heart is circumcised.
* The man receives the Seed of God.
* The Seed of God births the mans new Spirit.
* The man receives the “Spirit of Truth.”
* The man is “Risen up”, (often from a water baptism ritual) Accounted a new Creature.
* The man OCCUPIES “Christ Jesus” Glorified Risen Body…Until his own body is Risen Glorified.
* The man is Called:
....IN Christ
….Converted
….Saved
….Born Again
….With the Lord God.
….Christs Church
….Bride of Christ
….mans Name entered INTo the “Lambs Book of Life”
….Prepared; to Serve God
….Prepared; to be Redeemed BY The Lord;
….Raptured
___________

** Any UNSAVED living man…(without the mark of the Beast) who Heart-fully Believes … WITHOUT his Word of Confession having been Given…AND
At the TIME of his mortal Death…
God Shall;
Search that man’s Heart for the mans Truth..
Man HAS Belief?
* His Faith, SHALL save him…
* God Shall forgive him For having HAD unbelief.
* God Shall Bring his “saved soul”, to heaven.
* the mans dead body shall return to the Earth.
* the mans body shall be raised in glory in Gods First Resurrection.


Survey - Is Repentance important to salvation?

Yes…but it is not always verbal…

Glory to God,
Taken

The problem taken is that many , a number so high not me and hundreds could count ,
have come to and continued to submit themselves to a jesus that did not and does not
change them , but rather simply accepts their old man as is . AND THAT , AINT JESUS .
So lip away sin lovers , lip away but your faith is dead as mine once was when i too could lip His name
yet walked in my sin . Sorry bud but rainbow jesus dont exist .
Sorry but interfaith of anti christ jesus does not exist . Tis just the devil lipping that name
and serving the flesh of men with a promise of salvation too . And believe me that wont bode well on THE day of the LORD .
the judge not correct not , victim card jesus , HE is NOT JESUS . HIMS the devil .
Yeah i said it taken . does that make me anti christ . This generation is not gonna make it .
But the sheep , THEY DO HAVE JESUS and HE has THEM . Lets bible up everyone . Lets bible up again .
Be encouraged taken . be encouraged .

 

[marks]

Just try to accept it.

Of course I accept it. I can't dictate to you what you think, obviously! I just don't think we are really communicating is all.

We just don't make a big deal out of it because it upsets some people too much to think they have something wrong.

Yeah, that seems to happen a lot. And I don't hold it against you that you don't understand how I am, that all I care about is truth, not whether I'm right or not, only that what I know from the Bible is real.

Bringing emotionalism into the discussion - for me - just muddies the waters.

I suggest that you just allow me to express my feelings, and not projecting something onto me, "It upsets some . . . "

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

So you are saying there is an internal contradiction in the Scripture? I can't imagine you actually believe that.

There is no ambiguity in Paul's statement.

Much love!

Mark . What i say to you i say to all . And even if you know , JUST BE THANKFUL men like me are still around
and love the peoples and am grave enough to REMIND .
HERE IT IS .
rainbow jesus is satan .
propsperity gospel , oh yeah its satan feeding men their love of money .
Interfaith is the ultimate lie that will lead all to MERGE AS ONE
with who they already served but now will be as one under , SATAN . NOT GOD . ANTI CHRIST , NOT CHRIST .
if you find that alarming or disagree .
Please bring scrips to show me my error .

 

[PS95]

So you are saying there is an internal contradiction in the Scripture? I can't imagine you actually believe that.

There is no ambiguity in Paul's statement.

Much love!

I see no contradictions.

 

[marks]

I see no contradictions.

I understand that, however, your view presupposes a contradiction. Unless you think this passage means something else.

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Those who are risen with Christ now "then shall ye also" will appear with Him then. This is plainly stated, and unambigous. So if this means what it says, everyone who is raised with Him now appears with Him then.

This is either true or not. But without question, this is what the passage says.

Much love!

 

[marks]

1 Corinthians 6:9-20 KJV
9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11) And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
12) All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
13) Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
14) And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
15) Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16) What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17) But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18) Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20) For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

These will not inherit the kingdom, and some of you were these things. Since you are now Christs, flee from these things.

This gives the exact same message as Colossians 3, being joined to Christ, no longer do those things. You use to be one of them, but now you are not, so don't act like you still are. That's what he is saying here.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Ephesians 5:3-14 KJV
3) But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4) Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5) For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6) Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7) Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8) For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9) (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
10) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11) And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12) For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13) But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14) Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

You were once a part of this, but now you are not, so "be not ye therefore partakers with them". The very same message.

Notice these passages teach that these certain people don't inherit, and that we were once a part of that, so don't act like what we once were. Notice also that these passages do not teach that you become one of them again.

Much love!

 

[shepherdsword]

Is this really up for debate?

 

[PS95]

I understand that, however, your view presupposes a contradiction. Unless you think this passage means something else.

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Those who are risen with Christ now "then shall ye also" will appear with Him then. This is plainly stated, and unambigous. So if this means what it says, everyone who is raised with Him now appears with Him then.

This is either true or not. But without question, this is what the passage says.

Much love!

No it doesn't.
Why would you cut off the rest of it?

1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
5) Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

So I ask you -- if a person does not mortify those fleshy sins and chose to live in them til death- is he saved?
You say YES. I say NO. There in lies the problem.
and again-- you ignored this--

Eph 5:
But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; 4and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7Therefore do not be partakers with them; 8for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light 9(for the fruit of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth), 10trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord. 11Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;


You can say that I presuppose a contradiction if you want to. You are wrong though- see I am simply believing all of it and in context with the rest of the scriptures.
That is not what OSAS version 2.0 does. They cherry pick!
I'm don't with this, Marks. Like I have said- it goes nowhere.

 

[marks]

We know the troubles present in the Corinthian church, to whom Paul wrote,

1 Corinthians 1:3-9 KJV
3) Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
4) I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
5) That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;
6) Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
7) So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
8) Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9) God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 KJV
23) And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24) Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Much love!

 

[marks]

So I ask you -- if a person does not mortify those fleshy sins and chose to live in them til death- is he saved?
You say YES. I say NO. There in lies the problem.
and again-- you ignored this--

You still will not acknowlege what these verses say, and seem to think that the following verses negate the plain saying just ahead of it. That will never lead to truth.

I'm saying this passage teaches the same thing as the rest. You've been made alive, so don't live like you are still dead. But there is never the threat of loss of salvation, only that some read that into the text failing to understand what he's really saying.

If you are risen with Him now, this means you've died with Him, you are hid with Him, and you will appear with Him in glory. And for this reason, put to death your members on the earth.

Colossians 3:5-12 KJV
5) Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6) For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7) In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8) But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
9) Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10) And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11) Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12) Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

The exact same message repeated here. You used to be that, and now you are not, so don't act that way any longer.

It all agrees.

Much love!

 

[Marvelloustime]

Mark . What i say to you i say to all . And even if you know , JUST BE THANKFUL men like me are still around
and love the peoples and am grave enough to REMIND .
HERE IT IS .
rainbow jesus is satan .
propsperity gospel , oh yeah its satan feeding men their love of money .
Interfaith is the ultimate lie that will lead all to MERGE AS ONE
with who they already served but now will be as one under , SATAN . NOT GOD . ANTI CHRIST , NOT CHRIST .
if you find that alarming or disagree .
Please bring scrips to show me my error .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

The problem taken is that many , a number so high not me and hundreds could count ,
have come to and continued to submit themselves to a jesus that did not and does not
change them , but rather simply accepts their old man as is . AND THAT , AINT JESUS .
So lip away sin lovers , lip away but your faith is dead as mine once was when i too could lip His name
yet walked in my sin . Sorry bud but rainbow jesus dont exist .
Sorry but interfaith of anti christ jesus does not exist . Tis just the devil lipping that name
and serving the flesh of men with a promise of salvation too . And believe me that wont bode well on THE day of the LORD .
the judge not correct not , victim card jesus , HE is NOT JESUS . HIMS the devil .
Yeah i said it taken . does that make me anti christ . This generation is not gonna make it .
But the sheep , THEY DO HAVE JESUS and HE has THEM . Lets bible up everyone . Lets bible up again .
Be encouraged taken . be encouraged .

@amigo de christo

 

[marks]

Hebrews 12:5-11 KJV
5) And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6) For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7) If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8) But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

For the son of God who doesn't stop sinning, God promises to chasten us, to be partakers of His holiness. His chastening works. It yields the fruit of rightousness to those who undergo His chastening.

Much love!

 

[marks]

So I ask you -- if a person does not mortify those fleshy sins and chose to live in

Hebrews 12:5-11 KJV
5) And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6) For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7) If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8) But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Much love!

 

[marks]

They cherry pick!

I don't. You aren't saying I do. But you are insinuating that I do.

Much love!