Understanding PARABLES
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Lost? What does that mean? I don't think you have a clue. Do you even have a Bible?
Hiddenthings
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All you have shown from these texts is a lack of understanding. You claim, “I follow Jesus,” yet reveal no real grasp of who or what you are following. Your words are mere inferences, foolishly made, and your behavior reflects the same. How, then, are we to take you seriously?
No one does and when you are rebuked respectfully as @ScottA did - you totally ignore him...and he follows your beliefs.
When I say you are a hopeless case you exemplify its meaning.
You will soon understand!
Revelation 20:15
15 Anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Hiddenthings
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If you studied the Bible’s description of a fool, how they speak and behave, you would see that you fit it perfectly.
Do you understand this, Jack?
Because if you don’t, there is a serious gap between your mindset and reality.
Do you understand this, Jack?
Because if you don’t, there is a serious gap between your mindset and reality.
Ziggy
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When you are a sinner and you die...
Now what happens to the sin when you are born again?
Is it a slow drawn out process or are all your sins forgiven spontaneously upon acceptance?
What if you claim to be born again and yet remain in sin?
What does it mean to baptised with fire?
Jhn 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
salted with fire...
Mar 9:49
For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
wood stubble hay...
1Co 3:13
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
so many paths.... fire, judgment, sin, condemnation.
I believe the fire is conviction of sin. And you live with guilt until you ask for forgiveness.
Just thinking...
hugs
Hiddenthings
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The fire represents the judgment of sin. While it has at times been literal throughout history, it is now often used metaphorically to signify future judgment. This does not mean the earth will never experience physical fire again, but there is no designated place of eternal fiery torment. Such ideas stem from unbridled imagination, lacking the guidance of Scripture.
Do you know whats interesting about the account of Nabal?
Nabal is described as harsh, foolish, and surly, and while others interact with him, like David sending messengers there is no record of anyone genuinely reasoning with or speaking to him in a conciliatory way. His name itself, meaning “fool,” underscores his intractable character.
It's an incredible reality for some!
Represents? You can tell when Satan attacks the Bible! LOL! Come on Hider. Quote THE FIRE that Jesus warned you about several times? Have you ever read a Bible?
Hiddenthings
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Hiddenthings
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Jeremiah 7:20 – “Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall turn, and shall not be quenched.”
Jeremiah 17:27 – “I will kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.”
Jeremiah 17:27 – “I will kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.”
JLB
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‘By reading and meditating on God’s word, and coming into agreement with what the Spirit reveals to us each day.
‘’This will involve confessing sinful things the Holy Spirit exposes in our hearts in which in doing this He will “cleanse us” from all unrighteousness.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9
It’s a daily process of cooperation with the Spirit to cleanse ourselves, which involves the removal of things in our hearts that is hindering our relationship with the Lord, and thus our spiritual growth.
It’s about deepening our understanding of spiritual maturity; full stature sonship.
Cultivating ears to hear and a heart to understand.
Coming in agreement with the divine nature being formed in us… daily.
by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:4-8
- “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”
- Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master,
Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”
But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor. Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work.
2 Timothy 2:19-21
For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Romans 8:13
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Hiddenthings
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Good post JBL!
I think the most direct answer is the opening of the ears...i.e “He who has an ear, let him hear"
Some don't hear - they speak at the Word and don't allow it to teach. Jesus's use of Gehenna is a prime example of people not hearing but telling the Word what is meant.
A very dangerous practice.
Dear JLB,
I do not teach Calvinist doctrines.
Calvinist doctrines are founded upon the mixing of man's works with faith. All apostate churches teach this false gospel. When a person is truly converted & saved, it happens solely because Christ chose to save them at that time.
Paul's conversion experience that is recorded in Act 9 is the "type" whereby all mankind will be saved (1Tim 1:16). And just like with Paul, Christ will come to a person when they hate Him and reject Him. But after Christ freely gives the person the Holy Spirit, their heart will be changed so that they will submit to Christ and make a confession of faith.
1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.
Prov 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.
This is exactly what happened to Paul on the Damascus Road when Christ gave Paul the Early Rain of the Spirit.
Acts 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly, there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecute thou me? 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecute: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?
A person's faith in Christ and submission to Him can happen no other way. Why? Because of what these scriptures teach:
Rom 3:10 As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity (hatred for Christ just as Paul had) against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
1Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Salvation is a free gift that is given to a person without their asking for it and without their permission - and it is up to God the Father as to when Christ will give this gift to a person.
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
In this age, God has chosen only a few people (according to the good pleasure of His will) for an early salvation. They are the Elect and first fruits of Christ's harvest of mankind. In the next and final age, the balance of mankind will receive their free gift of salvation and be harvested at year's end.
Exo 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
In the end, all who have died in Adam will be made alive in Christ. This is true Gospel of Christ.
Rom 5:15 But shall not the act of favour be as the offence? For if by the offence of one the many have died, much rather has the grace of God, and the free gift in grace, which is by the one man Jesus Christ, abounded unto the many.
1Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
What I explained above is not what Calvinism teaches. Calvinism teaches a false doctrine of "foreknowledge" that is based upon the mixing of man's works with faith.
In my first post, I responded to the thread topic on parables. However, the discussion expanded to include the pathway to salvation. This was appropriate to do because most of the parables are teaching about the details of what Christ does to save a person (here a little and there a little).
You have no right to judge what you do not understand.
Joe
JLB
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‘I understand that the thread topic was parables, and this post of yours contains no parables.
as far as the rest of your post you seem to have the idea that if Christ doesn’t save us the way He appeared to Paul then our salvation is not somehow legitimate.
I disagree.
Each person must hear and believe the Gospel to be saved.
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
JLB
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‘That’s Universalism.
False doctrine.
Christian universalism is a school of Christian theology focused around the doctrine of universal reconciliation – the view that all human beings will ultimately be saved and restored to a right relationshipwith God. "Christian universalism" and "the belief or hope in the universal reconciliation through Christ" can be understood as synonyms.[1]
Dear JLB,
For a person to be able to hear, Christ must give them ears that can hear. For a person to believe, Christ must give them faith. Both are given to a person by Christ when He gives them the Spirit. Without the Spirit, no person can understand or believe. Where is your faith to believe the scriptures that I posted?
Joe
Dear JLB,
So now I'm a Universalist? The Universalist denomination mixes man's works with faith just as all other denominations do who follow Satan's false gospel.
However, I do believe that Jesus Christ will save the world because that is the purpose for why Christ came into the world:
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
Most people who called themselves "Christian" deny that Christ can actually save the world. They proclaim through their false gospel that He will fail because mankind's "will" is just too strong for Christ to overcome. In so doing, they are bringing Christ down to the level of mankind. However, Christ is not like mankind and He never fails to accomplish all that He says He will do.
2 Chron 20:6 and he said, Jehovah, God of our fathers, art not thou God in the heavens, and rulest thou not over all the kingdoms of the nations? And in thy hand there is power and might, and none can withstand thee.
Job 23:13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? And what his soul desireth, that will he do.
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Do you have enough faith to believe these scriptures above? If you don't have enough faith, it is only because Christ has not given it to you. I recommend that you pray for more faith because you can get it from no other place.
Joe
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