The Rapture and the Tribulation - Short

[The Light]

The innumerable number are waving Palm branches.
In the fall feasts they wave palm branches for 7 days.
That references that the innumerable number are IN HEAVEN FOR 7 YEARS.

The fall feast that they wave palm branches during is the Feast of Tabernacles. The Feast of Tabernacle is when the Lord on the earth in the millennial kingdom.

And your think that there is still 7 years remaining??????????

There are no verses that say that that the great multitude is in heaven for 7 years.

Additionally, the great multitude is the Church which is the SUMMER grain harvest, and the seed of the woman, the seed of the woman, the 12 tribes across the earth which is the fall fruit harvest that are raptured at the 6th seal. That is why there is a great multitude in heaven after the 6th seal and before the 7th seal wrath of God is opened. Believers are not appointed to wrath.

Those of the nation of Israel are in a place of protection and will remain on the earth with unbelievers during the one year wrath of God. Then comes the Feast of Atonement.

All that is not some coincidence.
It is Bible truth.
Nobody is going to hit the target by omission

No one will hit the target by making incorrect conclusions about the 7 days of waving palm branches.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The fall feast that they wave palm branches during is the Feast of Tabernacles. The Feast of Tabernacle is when the Lord on the earth in the millennial kingdom.

And your think that there is still 7 years remaining??????????

There are no verses that say that that the great multitude is in heaven for 7 years.

Additionally, the great multitude is the Church which is the SUMMER grain harvest, and the seed of the woman, the seed of the woman, the 12 tribes across the earth which is the fall fruit harvest that are raptured at the 6th seal. That is why there is a great multitude in heaven after the 6th seal and before the 7th seal wrath of God is opened. Believers are not appointed to wrath.

Those of the nation of Israel are in a place of protection and will remain on the earth with unbelievers during the one year wrath of God. Then comes the Feast of Atonement.


No one will hit the target by making incorrect conclusions about the 7 days of waving palm branches.

If you read the feasts set by God to Moses in leviticus 23 you will see the number 7 over and over.
You= "it means absolutely nothing"

 

[rebuilder 454]

The fall feast that they wave palm branches during is the Feast of Tabernacles. The Feast of Tabernacle is when the Lord on the earth in the millennial kingdom.

And your think that there is still 7 years remaining??????????

There are no verses that say that that the great multitude is in heaven for 7 years.

Additionally, the great multitude is the Church which is the SUMMER grain harvest, and the seed of the woman, the seed of the woman, the 12 tribes across the earth which is the fall fruit harvest that are raptured at the 6th seal. That is why there is a great multitude in heaven after the 6th seal and before the 7th seal wrath of God is opened. Believers are not appointed to wrath.

Those of the nation of Israel are in a place of protection and will remain on the earth with unbelievers during the one year wrath of God. Then comes the Feast of Atonement.


No one will hit the target by making incorrect conclusions about the 7 days of waving palm branches.

Nope.
The Jewish gathering is Rev 14.
DURING THE TRIB AND BEFORE THE WRATH.
Re read Rev 14

 

[The Light]

If you read the feasts set by God to Moses in leviticus 23 you will see the number 7 over and over.
You= "it means absolutely nothing"

Please feel free to quote the verse or verses that show that the great multitude is in heaven for 7 years. Not going to happen, because they are not in heaven for 7 years. The FACT that you understand that there are two raptures should prove that to you.

 

[The Light]

Nope.
The Jewish gathering is Rev 14.

Exactly

DURING THE TRIB AND BEFORE THE WRATH.

No sir. IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS and before the wrath of God.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Re read Rev 14

I have. Here is the great tribulation.

Revelation 14
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Here is the coming of Jesus after the tribulation for the harvest.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Exactly

No sir. IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS and before the wrath of God.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


I have. Here is the great tribulation.

Revelation 14
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Here is the coming of Jesus after the tribulation for the harvest.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

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"No sir. IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS and before the wrath of God.
Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."


Here is exactly where your doctrine fails.
Because you are applying incorrect definitions , "trib", "great trib", "wrath",
You now have Jesus coming in power and great Glory BEFORE THE WRATH.

Those verses you quote are the second coming on white horses
The gathering before the wrath is Rev 14., in the first 15 or so verses.
No power and great glory at all.
TOTALLY different gathering.
Like I have pointed out, your strict defining of the 7 yr trib is way off.

Actually the non 7 yr blah blah, that we can not express, that is really not 7 yrs.
Roll eyes

 

[rebuilder 454]

The fall feast that they wave palm branches during is the Feast of Tabernacles. The Feast of Tabernacle is when the Lord on the earth in the millennial kingdom.

And your think that there is still 7 years remaining??????????

There are no verses that say that that the great multitude is in heaven for 7 years.

Additionally, the great multitude is the Church which is the SUMMER grain harvest, and the seed of the woman, the seed of the woman, the 12 tribes across the earth which is the fall fruit harvest that are raptured at the 6th seal. That is why there is a great multitude in heaven after the 6th seal and before the 7th seal wrath of God is opened. Believers are not appointed to wrath.

Those of the nation of Israel are in a place of protection and will remain on the earth with unbelievers during the one year wrath of God. Then comes the Feast of Atonement.


No one will hit the target by making incorrect conclusions about the 7 days of waving palm branches.

Your elaboration of the feasts is lacking.

Feast of trumpets Points to the rapture.
The rapture happens at the trumpet sound .
Trumpets , or roshashana, begins the feasts.
THE GATHERING OF GODS PEOPLE AT THE TRUMPET.

after that is THE DAY OF ATONEMENT.
AT- ONE - MENT.
That is where the high priest ENTERS GODS DWELLING PLACE. Only once a year.
( the church enters heaven)
The parallel is UNMISTAKEABLE.
( Rapture to heaven After the gathering BY JESUS OF THE BRIDE.)
THEN the feast of tabernacles comes.
Also called booths.
Jesus said " I go to prepare a place for you."

That is so vivid and clear.
Not a coincidence. Not reckless application of verses.
It literally can not honestly be muddied up.

 

[The Light]

Here is exactly where your doctrine fails.
Because you are applying incorrect definitions , "trib", "great trib", "wrath",

I'm not the one claiming that the great tribulation which is over at the 6th seal is the same thing as the wrath of God that begins when the 7th seal is opened.

The great tribulation is when believers are killed by the beast for not taking the mark. The wrath of God is when God takes vengeance on unbelievers for their evil deeds and unbelief.

How can you possibly think the great tribulation and the wrath of God are the same.

You now have Jesus coming in power and great Glory BEFORE THE WRATH.

Of course I do. That's because the great tribulation and wrath of God are not the same thing. That's because when Jesus shows up with His angels to gather the elect, He comes in power and glory. Why would you think that when Jesus returns with His angels for the second harvest He would not come in power and glory.

Let's try common sense. Why would Jesus come immediately after the wrath of God?

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Basically, you are saying immediately after the wrath of God, the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars fall from heaven. And THEN shall appear the son of man coming in power and glory.

Wouldn't Jesus appear BEFORE the wrath of God is over. Why would He show up after Armageddon is over if the wrath of God and the great tribulation are the same thing?

Common sense.

Those verses you quote are the second coming on white horses
The gathering before the wrath is Rev 14., in the first 15 or so verses.
No power and great glory at all.

If the great tribulation and the wrath of God are the same thing why is He showing up in power and glory immediately after the wrath is over?

TOTALLY different gathering.
Like I have pointed out, your strict defining of the 7 yr trib is way off.

You have Jesus showing up in power and glory immediately after the wrath of God is over. You have the gathering of the elect from heaven and earth, which is the great multitude happening after the wrath of God.

Actually the non 7 yr blah blah, that we can not express, that is really not 7 yrs.
Roll eyes

There is no 7 year tribulation. Noah is not in the ark 7 days before the flood.

There is a final week that begins when a covenant with many is made. But it is not 7 years of tribulation.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I'm not the one claiming that the great tribulation which is over at the 6th seal is the same thing as the wrath of God that begins when the 7th seal is opened.

The great tribulation is when believers are killed by the beast for not taking the mark. The wrath of God is when God takes vengeance on unbelievers for their evil deeds and unbelief.

How can you possibly think the great tribulation and the wrath of God are the same.


Of course I do. That's because the great tribulation and wrath of God are not the same thing. That's because when Jesus shows up with His angels to gather the elect, He comes in power and glory. Why would you think that when Jesus returns with His angels for the second harvest He would not come in power and glory.

Let's try common sense. Why would Jesus come immediately after the wrath of God?

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Basically, you are saying immediately after the wrath of God, the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars fall from heaven. And THEN shall appear the son of man coming in power and glory.

Wouldn't Jesus appear BEFORE the wrath of God is over. Why would He show up after Armageddon is over if the wrath of God and the great tribulation are the same thing?

Common sense.


If the great tribulation and the wrath of God are the same thing why is He showing up in power and glory immediately after the wrath is over?


You have Jesus showing up in power and glory immediately after the wrath of God is over. You have the gathering of the elect from heaven and earth, which is the great multitude happening after the wrath of God.


There is no 7 year tribulation. Noah is not in the ark 7 days before the flood.

There is a final week that begins when a covenant with many is made. But it is not 7 years of tribulation.

QUOTE
"How can you possibly think the great tribulation and the wrath of God are the same"
The seats in the stadium are not the stadium.

The seats are PART OF it.

The seven year blah blah.
Tedious indeed.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I'm not the one claiming that the great tribulation which is over at the 6th seal is the same thing as the wrath of God that begins when the 7th seal is opened.

The great tribulation is when believers are killed by the beast for not taking the mark. The wrath of God is when God takes vengeance on unbelievers for their evil deeds and unbelief.

How can you possibly think the great tribulation and the wrath of God are the same.


Of course I do. That's because the great tribulation and wrath of God are not the same thing. That's because when Jesus shows up with His angels to gather the elect, He comes in power and glory. Why would you think that when Jesus returns with His angels for the second harvest He would not come in power and glory.

Let's try common sense. Why would Jesus come immediately after the wrath of God?

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Basically, you are saying immediately after the wrath of God, the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars fall from heaven. And THEN shall appear the son of man coming in power and glory.

Wouldn't Jesus appear BEFORE the wrath of God is over. Why would He show up after Armageddon is over if the wrath of God and the great tribulation are the same thing?

Common sense.


If the great tribulation and the wrath of God are the same thing why is He showing up in power and glory immediately after the wrath is over?


You have Jesus showing up in power and glory immediately after the wrath of God is over. You have the gathering of the elect from heaven and earth, which is the great multitude happening after the wrath of God.


There is no 7 year tribulation. Noah is not in the ark 7 days before the flood.

There is a final week that begins when a covenant with many is made. But it is not 7 years of tribulation.

I'm not the one claiming that the great tribulation which is over at the 6th seal is the same thing as the wrath of God that begins when the 7th seal is opened.

The great tribulation is when believers are killed by the beast for not taking the mark. The wrath of God is when God takes vengeance on unbelievers for their evil deeds and unbelief.

How can you possibly think the great tribulation and the wrath of God are the same.


Of course I do. That's because the great tribulation and wrath of God are not the same thing. That's because when Jesus shows up with His angels to gather the elect, He comes in power and glory. Why would you think that when Jesus returns with His angels for the second harvest He would not come in power and glory.

Let's try common sense. Why would Jesus come immediately after the wrath of God?

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Basically, you are saying immediately after the wrath of God, the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars fall from heaven. And THEN shall appear the son of man coming in power and glory.

Wouldn't Jesus appear BEFORE the wrath of God is over. Why would He show up after Armageddon is over if the wrath of God and the great tribulation are the same thing?

Common sense.


If the great tribulation and the wrath of God are the same thing why is He showing up in power and glory immediately after the wrath is over?


You have Jesus showing up in power and glory immediately after the wrath of God is over. You have the gathering of the elect from heaven and earth, which is the great multitude happening after the wrath of God.


There is no 7 year tribulation. Noah is not in the ark 7 days before the flood.

There is a final week that begins when a covenant with many is made. But it is not 7 years of tribulation.

QUOTE
"There is no 7 year tribulation. Noah is not in the ark 7 days before the flood."
Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.

In you attempt to make the 7 days before the flood appear as if Adam could not be in the ark 7 days before the flood ( again applying a strict trib vs gt vs wrath rabbit trail prism in which the entire bible is interpreted),
You now have ALL THE ANIMALS GATHERED along with Noah on the day the deluge starts.

All because of a strict resistance to a preflood dynamic prism.
You painted yourself in a corner.

 

[The Light]

If you read the feasts set by God to Moses in leviticus 23 you will see the number 7 over and over.
You= "it means absolutely nothing"

I couldn't find anything about the Church being reptured 7 years before Gods wrath. Please quote chapter and verse.

 

[The Light]

QUOTE
"How can you possibly think the great tribulation and the wrath of God are the same"
The seats in the stadium are not the stadium.

The seats are PART OF it.

The seven year blah blah.
Tedious indeed.

I notice you were not able to address the question about how Jesus comes immediately after the tribulation in power and glory........after Armageddon if tribulation is wrath.

Wouldn't Jesus come in power and glory before the wrath of God is over?

Wake up. The second coming occurs at the 6th seal.......immediately after the tribulation and before the 7th seal wrath of God. It is marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I notice you were not able to address the question about how Jesus comes immediately after the tribulation in power and glory........after Armageddon if tribulation is wrath.

Wouldn't Jesus come in power and glory before the wrath of God is over?

Wake up. The second coming occurs at the 6th seal.......immediately after the tribulation and before the 7th seal wrath of God. It is marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

He comes after the 7 yr trib. Rev 19. So vivid and clear it would seem impossible to miss.
Wake up.
The trib is 7 yrs, with the last part having the wrath.
The ac kicks it off ,(THE WHITE HORSE RIDER) and IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK THE TEMPLE IS DESECRATED.

The strict defining and isolation of trib vs wrath vs great trib has caused you to misplace events "stars, moon,sun" and even confusion of the Rev 19 second coming AFTER THE TRIB, which is a really bad take on your part.
...all because you do not understand the trib is 7 yrs in length.

Once all that is redefined, you then proceed with a new timing.
What you do with Rev 19 is not at all clear.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I couldn't find anything about the Church being reptured 7 years before Gods wrath. Please quote chapter and verse.

You just reaffirmed a confusion
What you are doing is re establishing events and timelines.
I know nobody with your prism and timelines.

Your entire take is Based On "stars, moon, and sun" combined with a re establishing of trib vs wrath vs great trib.

FROM THAT PRISM you proceed to make scripture fit a new timeline that nobody else has.
Not anyone on the planet has your perspective.
I asked you to point to a like minded ministry and you could not.

 

[The Light]

He comes after the 7 yr trib. Rev 19.

Revelation 19 occurs at the end of the one year wrath of God. Are you not able to see that the 7th seal is the wrath of God?

Are you not able to see that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal?

The trib is 7 yrs, with the last part having the wrath.

I use the KJV. It says that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal and the wrath of God is the 7th seal. What Bible are you using?

The ac kicks it off ,(THE WHITE HORSE RIDER) and IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK THE TEMPLE IS DESECRATED.

Right.

The strict defining and isolation of trib vs wrath vs great trib has caused you to misplace events "stars, moon,sun" and even confusion of the Rev 19 second coming AFTER THE TRIB, which is a really bad take on your part.
...all because you do not understand the trib is 7 yrs in length.

Please produce one scripture that says that the tribulation is 7 years long. It can't be, because the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. Jesus has come for the second harvest. The result is a great multitude in heaven, some of whom come out of great tribulation.

The 7th seal wrath of God has nothing to do with the great tribulation.

How do you not understand that the great tribulation is when the beast is killing Christians and the wrath of God is when God takes His vengeance on unbelievers? These are not the same thing. How do you not understand that?

Once all that is redefined, you then proceed with a new timing.
What you do with Rev 19 is not at all clear.

Revelation 19 is when Jesus returns with the armies of heaven for Armageddon. Jesus returns..............Armageddon happens.

Matthew 24 says that Jesus returns immediately after the tribulation of those days which is the great tribulation. Common sense should tell you what you are saying is impossible. If tribulation and wrath are the same time frame, how can Jesus return immediately after the wrath of God, if Armageddon has not occurred yet. Why return after wrath is over if He is coming for Armageddon?

 

[The Light]

You just reaffirmed a confusion
What you are doing is re establishing events and timelines.
I know nobody with your prism and timelines.

I don't jump to false conclusions. You have not addressed any of my points because you can't. I can address everything you say with scripture.

Your entire take is Based On "stars, moon, and sun" combined with a re establishing of trib vs wrath vs great trib.

What I am saying is based on Biblical fact.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Even though the Word of God says that the tribulation of those days is over when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven and also says that this occurs at the 6th seal you just ignore what the scripture is saying and believe what has been passed down from those making false conclusions.

It's plain to see..........if you want to see.

FROM THAT PRISM you proceed to make scripture fit a new timeline that nobody else has.
Not anyone on the planet has your perspective.
I asked you to point to a like minded ministry and you could not.

I asked you to tell me what ministry told you there are two raptures, and the second one is the Jews. You could not tell me what ministry taught you that.

The problem for you is that scripture supports what I am saying.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Revelation 19 occurs at the end of the one year wrath of God. Are you not able to see that the 7th seal is the wrath of God?

Are you not able to see that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal?


I use the KJV. It says that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal and the wrath of God is the 7th seal. What Bible are you using?

Right.


Please produce one scripture that says that the tribulation is 7 years long. It can't be, because the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. Jesus has come for the second harvest. The result is a great multitude in heaven, some of whom come out of great tribulation.

The 7th seal wrath of God has nothing to do with the great tribulation.

How do you not understand that the great tribulation is when the beast is killing Christians and the wrath of God is when God takes His vengeance on unbelievers? These are not the same thing. How do you not understand that?


Revelation 19 is when Jesus returns with the armies of heaven for Armageddon. Jesus returns..............Armageddon happens.

Matthew 24 says that Jesus returns immediately after the tribulation of those days which is the great tribulation. Common sense should tell you what you are saying is impossible. If tribulation and wrath are the same time frame, how can Jesus return immediately after the wrath of God, if Armageddon has not occurred yet. Why return after wrath is over if He is coming for Armageddon?

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"Please produce one scripture that says that the tribulation is 7 years long"

Daniel 9.
The covenant is one-week.
In the midst of THAT 7 YR COVENANT the temple is desecrated....BY THE AC.
7 YEAR ( insert whatever suits you) period of time.

In order to make your timetable fit you incorporate :
One yr wrath
No 7 yr covenant
Strict definition of trib, wrath and gt.
Stars moon and sun verse.

And you think those items void out the obvious


They DO NOT.

 

[The Light]

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"Please produce one scripture that says that the tribulation is 7 years long"

Daniel 9.
The covenant is one-week.

Anything in there about the tribulation being one week or are you adding that?

As I said you have no proof that the tribulation is one week or seven years and you have not proof that the Church is raptured before the week begins.

In the midst of THAT 7 YR COVENANT the temple is desecrated....BY THE AC.

Right. And then the great tribulation begins.

7 YEAR ( insert whatever suits you) period of time.

There is a 7 year covenant with many. The covenant with many can be signed years before the Antichrist confirms it.

Nothing about a 7 year tribulation in scripture.

Daniels 7th week only has 3.5 years remaining, time, times and half a time.

In order to make your timetable fit you incorporate :

What are you talking about? I don't make MY timeline fit. Scripture tells us what the timeline is.

One yr wrath

Of course there is one year of Gods wrath.

Isaiah 34:15
8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

At the second coming at the 6th seal, the Lord sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. ALL RETURN TO HEAVEN FOR THE MARRIAGE SUPPER. This is why there is a great multitude in heaven for the marriage supper in Revelation 7 and Revelation 19. The Lord comes for His bride and all remain in heaven during the one year wrath of God. After the year the Lord takes His armies to the earth for Armageddon.

Deut 24
5 When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business: but he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.

No 7 yr covenant

Again. What are you talking about?There is a 7 year covenant which begins the final 7 years. No scripture says there is a 7 year tribulation. No scripture says the Church is in heaven before the week begins.

Can you find any scriptures that prove what you are saying? Nope.

Strict definition of trib, wrath and gt.

Biblical definition of what the great tribulation is. Biblical definition when it starts and Biblical definition when it ends.

Biblical definition of the wrath of God, and when it starts and when it ends.

You just lump it all together and call the wrath of God the great tribulaiton.

Stars moon and sun verse.

Biblical.

And you think those items void out the obvious


They DO NOT.

What you call obvious does not agree with scripture.

Why do you not answer the questions I have posed regarding who taught you that there are two raptures and the Jews are the second rapture?

Why have you not answered why Jesus comes immediately after the wrath of God, when He should be coming before wrath is over for Armageddon.

Why do you not have any scripture to support your opinion?