the beast with seven heads and ten horns - the Roman Empire

[covenantee]

That MESS... again.

I've already been over those Daniel 9 verses, but here it is again, and it will ONLY be properly understood by those who have done their homework in ALL of God's written Word.

Dan 9:25-27
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Because "Messiah" is mentioned with the word for "Prince", it can mean only Jesus Christ.

The 1st period was "seven weeks", which per the prophecy represented 49 years (seven sevens, or 7 x 7).

The 2nd Period was "threescore and two weeks", or 62 weeks, 434 years (62 x 7), from 405 B.C. to 29 A.D. (the year of 'cutting off' of Messiah). The NEXT VERSE CONFIRMS the year of 'cutting off' of Messiah at the END of the 69th week...

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

That "after threescore and two weeks" simply means at the end of that period, the 69th week. And we have the COUNT of the 'sevens' to go by to confirm it...

1st period = 49 years; 2nd period 434 years; together = 483 years. Command to go forth to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was in first month of Nisan in 454 B.C. (See Bullinger's notes - The Seventy Weeks of Dan. 9:24-27. - Appendix to the Companion Bible)

1st Period: seven sevens = 49 years; from 454 B.C. to 405 B.C.
2nd Period: sixty two sevens = 434 years; from 405 B.C. to 29 A.D.
3rd Period: one seven, or "one week"= 7 years; still to be determined.

The people of the prince that shall come is about the Roman general Titus and his Roman army. That Hebrew word for "prince" can mean a leader or commander; it is not a direct pointer to Messiah. But the word for Messiah with it, like in verse 25 above, it does mean only Jesus Christ. But this "prince" here represents the Roman leader in 70 A.D. who with his Roman army destroyed Jerusalem and the sanctuary.

The end shall be with a flood is NOT about 70 A.D., instead it is about the very END of this world. Rev.12 uses the idea of waters AS a flood coming out of Satan's mouth after the symbolic woman of Christ's Church for the end of this world. Long timeline jumps in that Dan.9:26 verse. The determined desolations is a lead-in to the subject of the next 27th verse... and YES, the "he" mentioned next is still pointing to that idea of the "prince", the Roman general Titus.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV

I prefer the Douay-Rheims Bible translation on that 27th verse, as that 27th verse is what Jesus was quoting about from the Book of Daniel per Matthew 24:15 concerning the "abomination of desolation" being placed in Jerusalem at the end.

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and ihe desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douay-Rheims

That "he" is pointing back to the "prince" of Dan.9:26 that destroyed Jerusalem and the sanctuary. That is what the grammar requires, NOT a pointer back to "Messiah the Prince" of verse 25!

How is that "he" meant then, between verse 27 and that Roman "prince" that destroyed Jerusalem and the temple? How can that apply to the end of this world in verse 27?


It is about TYPES in God's Word:

The Roman general Titus serves as a TYPE for the coming Antichrist at the end of this world.

Antiochus Epiphanes who setup an abomination idol in 170 B.C. Jerusalem, in the temple, serves as a TYPE for the "vile person" of Dan.11 that will fulfill the Dan.9:27 (Dan.11:31; Matt.24:15) abomination of desolation idol prophecy.

Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, serves as a TYPE for the final Antichrist at the end of this world who will setup the "image of the beast" for all to worship, or be killed. That is exactly what Nebuchadnezzar did.

The flesh "king of Assyria" of Isaiah 30:31-33 serves as a TYPE for Satan himself which Tophet (put for lake of fire) has been prepared for.

The "king of Tyrus" is put for Satan as a TYPE before Satan rebelled against God in God's parable of Ezekiel 28.

Thus it is obvious that those who are illiterate of how God's Word gives the example of TYPES for the Antichrist, and particularly what the final Antichrist does at the END of this world, don't really know all of God's written Word, and need more Bible study.

Daniel's grammar is better than yours.

There's no reference to a "Roman" prince. That's your imagination. Titus was under the command and control of Messiah the Prince.

The "he's" in verse 27 do not refer to Titus, contrary to your malinterpretation. Titus did not confirm any covenant, or cause any sacrifice and oblation to cease.

The people who destroyed the city and sanctuary were the Romans and Jews, both of whom were the people, used as instruments, of Messiah the Prince, to deliver judgment and destruction upon the apostate nation of Israel.

Messiah was not a Roman.

The grammar gets it right.

You don't.

 

[Davy]

Daniel's grammar is better than yours.

There's no reference to a "Roman" prince. That's your imagination. Titus was under the command and control of Messiah the Prince.

The "he's" in verse 27 do not refer to Titus, contrary to your malinterpretation. Titus did not confirm any covenant, or cause any sacrifice and oblation to cease.

The people who destroyed the city and sanctuary were the Romans and Jews, both of whom were the people, used as instruments, of Messiah the Prince, to deliver judgment and destruction upon the apostate nation of Israel.

Messiah was not a Roman.

The grammar gets it right.

You don't.

Funny associations revealing a faulty system of reasoning, and not keeping to the Scripture as written.

 

[covenantee]

Funny associations revealing a faulty system of reasoning, and not keeping to the Scripture as written.

Your dispensationalized delusions demonstrated.

 

[Davy]

Your dispensationalized delusions demonstrated.

And once again you show your ignorance.

I am not a Dispensationalist, nor a Futurist, nor a Preterist, nor an Historicist, none of those things. But I have been accused of them all by the BIBLICALLY ILLITERATE simply because if one actually STAYS with the Bible Scripture as written, they will be accused of those things.

Dispensationalism is a doctrine of men which John Nelson Darby created in 1830s Great Britain. That is the Dispensationalism 99% of folks are pointing to today. And it is based on the FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY that Darby also was first to preach in a Christian Church in 1830s Britain.

Me, instead, I believe what GOD's WORD teaches, that Christ's future coming to gather His Church will be AFTER... the tribulation like HE SAID in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27. That makes me a POST-TRIBULATIONALIST, and that position is the one actually written... in GOD's WORD.

But those who follow MEN's FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY will LIE and say anything to TRY and HIDE their GUILT for pushing a LIE. And their souls are in DANGER because of their doing that, along with those who HEED those men instead of believing what Lord Jesus Himself said in His Word!

 

[covenantee]

And once again you show your ignorance.

I am not a Dispensationalist, nor a Futurist, nor a Preterist, nor an Historicist, none of those things. But I have been accused of them all by the BIBLICALLY ILLITERATE simply because if one actually STAYS with the Bible Scripture as written, they will be accused of those things.

Dispensationalism is a doctrine of men which John Nelson Darby created in 1830s Great Britain. That is the Dispensationalism 99% of folks are pointing to today. And it is based on the FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY that Darby also was first to preach in a Christian Church in 1830s Britain.

Me, instead, I believe what GOD's WORD teaches, that Christ's future coming to gather His Church will be AFTER... the tribulation like HE SAID in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27. That makes me a POST-TRIBULATIONALIST, and that position is the one actually written... in GOD's WORD.

But those who follow MEN's FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY will LIE and say anything to TRY and HIDE their GUILT for pushing a LIE. And their souls are in DANGER because of their doing that, along with those who HEED those men instead of believing what Lord Jesus Himself said in His Word!

Obviously you don't know the difference between dispensationalist and dispensationalized.

I've never labelled you a dispensationalist, because you have the sense to reject pretrib nonsense. But for some reason, you don't recognize and realize that your decapitated 70th week originates from the same dispensational pit as pretribism, thereby dispensationalizing and defiling your understanding of the orthodox Christian truth regarding this profoundly important doctrine.

That truth was unanimous across a clear majority of historical orthodox Christianity through 17 centuries before the 19th century.

You've still got some learning to do.

 

[Wish-it]

Heres what I got,

1. Julius Caesar
2. Augustus Caesar
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero
7.Galba
8.Otho
9.Vitellius
10. Vespasian

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Daniel 11:37 is support that the little horn person/Antichrist/beast-king will be a Jew.

Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Why would he be a jew, jew is short for Judah, from the tribe of Judah, look at the blessing of Jacob in Gen 49.10. This is the royal line, the line we become part of as believers. The AC origins is from the line of the brothers of Isaac and Jacob, therefore prior to the Judah. He is represented as the King of Assyria in scripture, and by following Dan 7.7,8 he appears from among the 10 horns who appears to fight for leadership of the 10 Islamic nations of Psalm 83 with the three horns he subdues. He will be the King of Assyria. Assyria is one of the 10 nations of Psalm 83.

 

[Douggg]

Why would he be a jew, jew is short for Judah, from the tribe of Judah, look at the blessing of Jacob in Gen 49.10. This is the royal line, the line we become part of as believers. The AC origins is from the line of the brothers of Isaac and Jacob, therefore prior to the Judah. He is represented as the King of Assyria in scripture, and by following Dan 7.7,8 he appears from among the 10 horns who appears to fight for leadership of the 10 Islamic nations of Psalm 83 with the three horns he subdues. He will be the King of Assyria. Assyria is one of the 10 nations of Psalm 83.

Hi Wish-it,

Micah 5:5 And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.

The Assyrian will be an end times person. But he will not be the Antichrist.

Whether there will be a Psalms 83 war prior to the Gog/Magog event is not certain. Time will tell. Also time will reveal/verify his identity. Perhaps as the leader of the attackers. Do you have any suspected candidates as to who the Assyrian may be ?

The reason he is not the little horn/Antichrist/beast-king person is because the the beast-king gets thrown into the lake of fire at Jesus's second coming. Not like the Assyrian who will face the seven shepherds and eight principal men of Israel.

The little horn person in Daniel 825 gets broken, but not by hand, i.e. not at the hands of humans like the seven shepherds and eight principal men.

Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

So there will be the Assyrian and separately the little horn/Antichrist/beast-king person.

 

[MatthewG]

@Wish-it

Yes, Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, which is significant in biblical prophecy and lineage.

Biblical Context​

1. Tribe of Judah: Jesus is a descendant of Judah, one of the twelve sons of Jacob (Israel). This lineage is crucial as it fulfills the prophecies regarding the Messiah's descent. The tribe of Judah was prophesied to be the royal line from which the future kings of Israel would come, culminating in Jesus Christ, who is often referred to as the "Lion of the Tribe of Judah" (Revelation 5:5).
   
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2. Genealogical Evidence: The Gospels of Matthew and Luke provide genealogies that trace Jesus' lineage back to Judah. Matthew 1:2-3 states, "Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar," confirming Jesus' descent from Judah. Similarly, Luke 3:33 includes Judah in the genealogy of Jesus, reinforcing this connection.
   
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3. Significance of Judah: The choice of Judah as the tribe from which Jesus descended is significant for several reasons. It highlights God's sovereignty in choosing the line of David (who was from Judah) to fulfill His promise of a Messiah. This lineage emphasizes Jesus' role as the King and Savior, aligning with the expectations of the Jewish people regarding the coming of the Messiah.
   
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4. Prophetic Fulfillment: The Old Testament contains prophecies that point to the Messiah coming from the tribe of Judah. For instance, Genesis 49:10 states, "The scepter will not depart from Judah," indicating that the ruling authority would come from this tribe until the arrival of the one to whom it belongs, interpreted as Jesus.
   
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   In summary, Jesus' lineage from the tribe of Judah is a foundational aspect of Christian theology, affirming His identity as the promised Messiah and King, fulfilling the prophecies of the Old Testament.
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[Wish-it]

Hi Wish-it,

Micah 5:5 And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.

The Assyrian will be an end times person. But he will not be the Antichrist.

Whether there will be a Psalms 83 war prior to the Gog/Magog event is not certain. Time will tell. Also time will reveal/verify his identity. Perhaps as the leader of the attackers. Do you have any suspected candidates as to who the Assyrian may be ?

The reason he is not the little horn/Antichrist/beast-king person is because the the beast-king gets thrown into the lake of fire at Jesus's second coming. Not like the Assyrian who will face the seven shepherds and eight principal men of Israel.

The little horn person in Daniel 825 gets broken, but not by hand, i.e. not at the hands of humans like the seven shepherds and eight principal men.

Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

So there will be the Assyrian and separately the little horn/Antichrist/beast-king person.

I would suggest the reason the Assyrian is broken is due to the Lords coming. Also the scriptures which suggest he is the AC are Nahum 3.18,19, Probably Zech 11.15-17, Rev 13.3. The likely hood of one leader with a fatal blow is strong. And the probability of Psalm 83 occurring at that time as Assyria is one of the ten toes of the Psalm and Rev 13. Also the final battle of Dan 11.41 seems to suggest Psalm 83 battle is in the closing stages, due to the naming of 3 of them, Edom, Moab and Ammon.

 

[William Barton]

IMO:
"Seven heads/ten horns" (Revelation 17:3) is explained in Revelation 17:9-14. It refers to seven countries exercising control in the Middle East: 1. Egypt, 2. Assyria, 3. Babylon, 4. Media-Persia, 5. Greece, 6. Rome, 7. the Beast.

"Ten horns" is explained in Daniel 7:24. They are seven kings that join with the human ruler. "Horns" indicates "armies."

 

[Davy]

@Wish-it

Yes, Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, which is significant in biblical prophecy and lineage.

Biblical Context​

1. Tribe of Judah: Jesus is a descendant of Judah, one of the twelve sons of Jacob (Israel). This lineage is crucial as it fulfills the prophecies regarding the Messiah's descent. The tribe of Judah was prophesied to be the royal line from which the future kings of Israel would come, culminating in Jesus Christ, who is often referred to as the "Lion of the Tribe of Judah" (Revelation 5:5).
   
   2
2. Genealogical Evidence: The Gospels of Matthew and Luke provide genealogies that trace Jesus' lineage back to Judah. Matthew 1:2-3 states, "Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar," confirming Jesus' descent from Judah. Similarly, Luke 3:33 includes Judah in the genealogy of Jesus, reinforcing this connection.
   
   2
3. Significance of Judah: The choice of Judah as the tribe from which Jesus descended is significant for several reasons. It highlights God's sovereignty in choosing the line of David (who was from Judah) to fulfill His promise of a Messiah. This lineage emphasizes Jesus' role as the King and Savior, aligning with the expectations of the Jewish people regarding the coming of the Messiah.
   
   2
4. Prophetic Fulfillment: The Old Testament contains prophecies that point to the Messiah coming from the tribe of Judah. For instance, Genesis 49:10 states, "The scepter will not depart from Judah," indicating that the ruling authority would come from this tribe until the arrival of the one to whom it belongs, interpreted as Jesus.
   
   2
   In summary, Jesus' lineage from the tribe of Judah is a foundational aspect of Christian theology, affirming His identity as the promised Messiah and King, fulfilling the prophecies of the Old Testament.
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   5 Sources

YES! and the coming false-Messiah MUST fulfill those requirements of being of the tribe of Judah, of the house of David, in order to pass himself off as Messiah.

I believe only a CLAIM will be made by the coming false-Messiah (Antichrist), with those Jews behind him in Jerusalem, the crept in unawares, confirming the false claim to make the rest of the Jews, and the world, to believe it.

 

[MatthewG]

YES! and the coming false-Messiah MUST fulfill those requirements of being of the tribe of Judah, of the house of David, in order to pass himself off as Messiah.

I believe only a CLAIM will be made by the coming false-Messiah (Antichrist), with those Jews behind him in Jerusalem, the crept in unawares, confirming the false claim to make the rest of the Jews, and the world, to believe it.

I believe there was some false messiah in that day in age that came up upon them. That is okay if you don't believe these things have come to fruition yet. It just leaves us with different viewpoints. I believe there was some Jewish person in that day in age who claimed to be God, or something along those lines.


People today still have the same problem... with taking drugs and thinking they are the messiah or that they are themselves God... and then they prey on people, they are called predators... they can potentially just be brainwashed too, and maybe come out of those delusional thoughts. Cults are a damaging product of societal culture for sure. Especially for people who suffer with that type of trauma.

May all those who come out of those places come to know truth, which sets them free from those terrifying thoughts, beliefs, or ideas that damage their faith in God, and the Lord Jesus (who I do believe completed his works and came and got his people in that day in age) who restored all things back to the way they were in which people can now connect to God through faith and learn about the Lord Jesus and what he did for them to give them freedom from their own bondage and bondage people may have placed upon them.

 

[Davy]

I believe there was some false messiah in that day in age that came up upon them. That is okay if you don't believe these things have come to fruition yet. It just leaves us with different viewpoints. I believe there was some Jewish person in that day in age who claimed to be God, or something along those lines.


People today still have the same problem... with taking drugs and thinking they are the messiah or that they are themselves God... and then they prey on people, they are called predators... they can potentially just be brainwashed too, and maybe come out of those delusional thoughts. Cults are a damaging product of societal culture for sure. Especially for people who suffer with that type of trauma.

May all those who come out of those places come to know truth, which sets them free from those terrifying thoughts, beliefs, or ideas that damage their faith in God, and the Lord Jesus (who I do believe completed his works and came and got his people in that day in age) who restored all things back to the way they were in which people can now connect to God through faith and learn about the Lord Jesus and what he did for them to give them freedom from their own bondage and bondage people may have placed upon them.

What's coming with this false-Messiah is going to be different. And yeah, there's a long list of men who only claimed... to be Messiah. But this one that's coming to Jerusalem is going to do great signs, wonders, and miracles that will prove it to the whole world that will be deceived. Not my opinion, this is actually written.

 

[MatthewG]

What's coming with this false-Messiah is going to be different. And yeah, there's a long list of men who only claimed... to be Messiah. But this one that's coming to Jerusalem is going to do great signs, wonders, and miracles that will prove it to the whole world that will be deceived. Not my opinion, this is actually written.

hey man thank you for sharing what you believe still to come true. That is total A-okay with me. I am gonna continue on forward with my own life here and you enjoy yours too!

You have a good morning and see you in some post, sometime somewhere else maybe?

Thank you for hearing me out, though cause I do believe all those things did happen, we just didn't get to see it, but who knows maybe I am wrong.

Take care.

 

[Trekson]

Revelation 17:10-11
five fallen kings of the Roman Empire
1. Julius Caesar
2. Augustus Caesar
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius

the one is (ruling at the time of John, 1st century)
6. Nero (last of the historic Julio-Claudian bloodline kings)

the one yet to come (end times)
7. the little horn person (of the Julio-Claudian bloodline of the first six kings)

the beast-king
8. the little horn person after being assassinated and comes back to life.

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Now look at this chart about the stages of the little horn person. Stage 1, he is king 7 of the Julio Claudian bloodline of the Roman Empire kings (manifested in the end times as the EU) . Stage 5, he is the beast-king (king 8) of the Roman Empire (manifested in the end times as the EU). As the beast-king, he will be dictator of the EU.

king 7 and king 8 are annotated in the rectangles - small print. (click on the chart to get a zoomed in view)

I don't have time to read all the responses to see if anyone has brought this up but the beast w/ seven heads and ten horns has nothing to do w/ the Roman empire or the papacy. They are nations who had at one point in time throughout negatively impacted Israel. The 8 kings of Rev. 17 aren't caesars. They are: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome (the who doesn't matter, its the nation who does), Imo, the 7th was Germany because of it's negative impact on Israel and the 8th will be the A/C's ten nation confederacy made up of nations that were part of Rome's eastern empire aka "the people of the prince to come". Neither Rome, nor Jerusalem is the mystery Babylon of Rev. 17 & 18. Many seem to forget this is a prophecy, so it doesn't matter what these cities did historically, it's what city will be like this in the future. A detail many don't see is that Babylon is "riding" the beast. This doesn't mean she is "riding on it's coattails", so to speak. Just the opposite. It means she has control over him. She is telling him in which direction to go and reining him in, if he gets out of line before it's time. So, we must ask ourselves what city/nation would militarily have that power at this present time? It certainly wouldn't be Rome, nor Jerusalem and it wouldn't be Moscow, Beijing or London. There is only one and y'all know which one it is, you just don't want to believe it for some reason.

 

[Douggg]

I don't have time to read all the responses to see if anyone has brought this up but the beast w/ seven heads and ten horns has nothing to do w/ the Roman empire or the papacy. They are nations who had at one point in time throughout negatively impacted Israel. The 8 kings of Rev. 17 aren't caesars. They are: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome (the who doesn't matter, its the nation who does), Imo, the 7th was Germany because of it's negative impact on Israel and the 8th will be the A/C's ten nation confederacy made up of nations that were part of Rome's eastern empire aka "the people of the prince to come". Neither Rome, nor Jerusalem is the mystery Babylon of Rev. 17 & 18. Many seem to forget this is a prophecy, so it doesn't matter what these cities did historically, it's what city will be like this in the future. A detail many don't see is that Babylon is "riding" the beast. This doesn't mean she is "riding on it's coattails", so to speak. Just the opposite. It means she has control over him. She is telling him in which direction to go and reining him in, if he gets out of line before it's time. So, we must ask ourselves what city/nation would militarily have that power at this present time? It certainly wouldn't be Rome, nor Jerusalem and it wouldn't be Moscow, Beijing or London. There is only one and y'all know which one it is, you just don't want to believe it for some reason.

The seven kings are kings, not kingdoms. It does not say seven kingdoms in Revelation 17:10, but kings.

Also, the ten horns are ten kings, Revelation 17:12. Ten kings who will give their kingdom to beast in Revelation 17:17.

The ten kings will be ten EU leaders. Their kingdom the EU. The EU is the Roman Empire manifested in the end times. The EU will be the kingdom of the beast.

The woman is the Vatican, located in Rome, and the RCC worldwide, Revelation 17:15. Which in Revelation 17:16, the ten kings aligned with the beast king will burn the Vatican to the ground.

The ten kings will rule with the beast for one hour (metaphoric for the 42 months in Revelation 13:5 that the beast will be in power),

 

[Douggg]

Revelation 17 opens with one of the seven angels which had the seven vials of God's wrath to be poured out in the second half of the seven years.

So that sets the time of the judgement on the great whore that sits upon many waters, Revelation 17:1. It will be in the second half of the seven years.

The great whore sits
(1) on seven mountains (verse 9)
(2) on many waters (verse 1)

The seven mountains are the seven hills of Rome.
The many waters are the nations around the world (verse 15).

The great whore will be destroyed with fire (verse 16). The Vatican burned to the ground.

The great whore is the RCC, with the Vatican located in Rome.

What it boils down to is the RCC persecuted Christians during the inquisition. The clothing of the woman - scarlet and purple represents the Vatican bishops and cardinals that gather at Rome.

 

[William Barton]

IMO:
1. The woman is Babylon the Great (Revelation 17:5).
2. "Many waters" refers to the Euphrates River, near Babylon..
3. Water is not as plentiful in the Middle East as it is in America.
4. The Catholic inquisition was inexcusable.

 

[Douggg]

@William Barton

You wrote....

IMO:
1. The woman is Babylon the Great (Revelation 17:1).
2. "Many waters" refers to the Euphrates River, near Babylon..
3. Water is not as plentiful in the Middle East as it is in America.
4. The Catholic Inquisition was inexcusable.

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The woman had a name written on her forehead in verse 5...

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

The woman herself is not Babylon the Great, just like people who take the name of the beast on their forehead are not the beast themselves.

Mystery Babylon the Great is referring to the mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels. They will have an impact regarding the actions and activity of the woman.

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Your wrote.... "2. "Many waters" refers to the Euphrates River, near Babylon.."

The many water is defined in verse 15...

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

So the woman has a presence in the nations around the world. The size of the RCC is 1.4 billion worldwide.

The woman is the RCC, headquartered in Rome, and under the Vatican's rule.

 

[William Barton]

Micah 5:5 speaks of the Assyrian coming into Israel. There are six such countries prophesied to take such control of Israel:
1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. Babylon
4. Persia
5. Greece
6. Rome
Today this is all history, it's done.

Ancient Babylon was never conquered by another city, rather it faded away. Saddam Hussein had lots of money, and restored some of ancient Babylon. This ceased when the U.S. forces killed him.

I suppose the beast to come is Middle Eastern. He brokers a peace agreement in the Middle East, and supports rebuilding the Jewish temple. Then he takes a seat in it, processing himself to be God (2Thessalonians 2:4).

The Catholic Church was maintaining order in the Middle East (the Pope had an army). Some Catholics protested that the Pope was claiming too much authority. They protested and formed the "Protest-ant" denominations. Some people see the Catholic Church in Revelation, I do not.