Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

[Scott Downey]

AGE is WORLD
KJV21

Luke 20
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, “The children of this world marry and are given in marriage.

35 But they that shall be accounted worthy to obtain that World and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage,

36 neither can they die any more; for they are equal unto the angels and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses showed at the bush when he called the Lord ‘the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.’

38 For He is not a God of the dead, but of the living, for all live unto Him.”

39 Then certain of the scribes answering said, “Master, thou hast said well.”

40 And after that they dared not ask Him any question at all.

41 And He said unto them, “How say they that Christ is David’s son?

42 For David himself saith in the book of Psalms: ‘The Lord said unto my Lord, “Sit Thou on My right hand,

43 until I make Thine enemies Thy footstool.”’

44 If David therefore calleth Him ‘Lord,’ how is He then his son?”

NKJV
34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. 37 But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 38 For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.”

39 Then some of the scribes answered and said, “Teacher, You have spoken well.” 40 But after that they dared not question Him anymore.

41 And He said to them, “How can they say that the Christ is the Son of David? 42 Now David himself said in the Book of Psalms:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
43 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’
44 Therefore David calls Him ‘Lord’; how is He then his Son?”

 

[Scott Downey]

The unbelieving, since it says they go into the fire, will not inherit the new earth and heaven after the Day of Judgement.
It's pretty clear when God says the unbelieving go into the Lake of Fire, that they don't walk out of there.

Only the people of God inherit the earth. In truth, that would be the new earth, not the first earth. Just like Revelation 21 describes, God dwells with His people on the new earth, which is then the earth.

Matthew 5:5
Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth.

Revelation 21
7 He who overcomes [d]shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, [e]unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

The Glory of the New Jerusalem​

22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine [l]in it, for the [m]glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations [n]of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor [o]into it. 25 Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into [p]it. 27 But there shall by no means enter it anything [q]that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

Yes there will be Kings on the 'new' earth, they are the ones who overcame the world by their faith.

 

[Wish-it]

You know I'm an Amillennialist, right? Do you know what Amillennialists believe? After all unbelievers are destroyed, then the judgment will occur, as described in Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 20:11-15. Believers will inherit eternal life in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world at that time in the new heavens and new earth (Matt 25:31-34,46, Rev 21:1-5) and unbelievers will be cast into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels (also called the lake of fire) for everlasting punishment (Matt 25:41,46, Rev 20:15).

Yes, i did know. That gives a good explanation, thanks.
From my perspective, as a premill, tho I probably dont acknowledge all premill thoughts, I understand where the differences lie, and understand why Rev 20 is a difficulty, for Amill, tho I love how it fits to my own belief. The scriptures of Matt 25 etc I agree tie up with Rev 21. I treat Rev scripture as pretty well chronological, and am sympathetic to the scriptures that appear out of sequence to me like Luke 17, 2 Peter 3.10, and will study them further to confirm or deny my position.
I find it interesting, that Amill appear to deny the existence of a 7th millennium, is that a true assessment?

 

[Wish-it]

Jesus taught us heaven and earth pass away, at His second coming.
He also told us we will be like angels in the resurrection of the dead, i.e. no marriage, means no babies.
God told us the former things pass away, as does Paul

1 Cor 7
29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short, so that from now on even those who have wives should be as though they had none, 30 those who weep as though they did not weep, those who rejoice as though they did not rejoice, those who buy as though they did not possess, 31 and those who use this world as not misusing it. For the form of this world is passing away.

Matthew 24
32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that [e]it is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

No One Knows the Day or Hour​

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of [f]heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what [g]hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what [h]hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Luk 21

The Coming of the Son of Man​

25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

The Parable of the Fig Tree​

29 Then He spoke to them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

Rev 21
Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, [a]John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

6 And He said to me, “It[c] is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 He who overcomes [d]shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, [e]unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

The UNBELEIVING go into the Lake that burns with fire. Means they are not going to be around with the saints, after the resurrection and judgment.

Not all scriptures are the best evidence for a particular position in my view. The best scriptures for an amill argument to me are probably 2 Peter 3.10, and those in a similar vein. Scriptures like 1 Cor 7 and others I believe in but would supply different explanation. And there also appear to be scriptures that Amill aint that keen on, of which Rev 20 seems to be not treated well.

 

[Davidpt]

Not all scriptures are the best evidence for a particular position in my view. The best scriptures for an amill argument to me are probably 2 Peter 3.10, and those in a similar vein. Scriptures like 1 Cor 7 and others I believe in but would supply different explanation. And there also appear to be scriptures that Amill aint that keen on, of which Rev 20 seems to be not treated well.

I'm Premil as well, yet it is plainly obvious to me that 2 Peter 3:10 is meaning during the 2nd coming. Even 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 undeniably proves that. But even so, I remain Premil, regardless. The way I try and reason it, the millennium is the beginning of the New Heavens and New Earth, except the NHNE is is not instantaneous, it's a gradual process and is not in it's final form until the great white judgment has been fulfilled. It's not like God has never done things in this manner before.

The beginning of creation, for example. That wasn't instantaneous. It involved a process in order to reach it's final form at the time. It involved 6 creation days. That's basically how I view the beginning of the NHNE. Except in this case it will require a thousand years, satan's little season, then the great white throne judgment before the NHNE is fully perfected.

Either something like that or Amil is the correct position instead, since there is no getting around that 2 Peter 3:10-12 is meaning during the 2nd coming, since no one would argue that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 is meaning a thousand years after Christ has returned. And that 2 Peter 3:10-12 has to be meaning when 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 is meaning.

 

[Wish-it]

I'm Premil as well, yet it is plainly obvious to me that 2 Peter 3:10 is meaning during the 2nd coming. Even 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 undeniably proves that. But even so, I remain Premil, regardless. The way I try and reason it, the millennium is the beginning of the New Heavens and New Earth, except the NHNE is is not instantaneous, it's a gradual process and is not in it's final form until the great white judgment has been fulfilled. It's not like God has never done things in this manner before.

The beginning of creation, for example. That wasn't instantaneous. It involved a process in order to reach it's final form at the time. It involved 6 creation days. That's basically how I view the beginning of the NHNE. Except in this case it will require a thousand years, satan's little season, then the great white throne judgment before the NHNE is fully perfected.

Either something like that or Amil is the correct position instead, since there is no getting around that 2 Peter 3:10-12 is meaning during the 2nd coming, since no one would argue that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 is meaning a thousand years after Christ has returned. And that 2 Peter 3:10-12 has to be meaning when 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 is meaning.

The NIV says But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. Agreed as in 1 Thess.5 etc, but the reaming statement says, The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. This to me sounds more like the a scene from Rev 21.1b for the first heaven and first earth passed away. In fact 2 Peter 3.7 "By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly."
And again in 2 Peter 3.13 "But in keeping with his promise we are looking for ward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells."
This is our final destination and shouldn't preclude any previous events prior to its arrival.
If at the Lords coming everything is destroyed, then the 7th day has little relevance to His plan, and Rev 20 is a myth. That's my struggle with it.

 

[Scott Downey]

Not all scriptures are the best evidence for a particular position in my view. The best scriptures for an amill argument to me are probably 2 Peter 3.10, and those in a similar vein. Scriptures like 1 Cor 7 and others I believe in but would supply different explanation. And there also appear to be scriptures that Amill aint that keen on, of which Rev 20 seems to be not treated well.

All the end times scriptures when considered together point towards an amil POV, as otherwise unresolvable logic conflicts get created, meaning things just don't make sense. Like where are all these ungodly, unsaved, unbelieving people going to come from for Rev 20 to be what a permill believes. What they do is take all the last days doctrine of the return of Christ in the church letters and toss them in the trash.

 

[Scott Downey]

The NIV says But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. Agreed as in 1 Thess.5 etc, but the reaming statement says, The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. This to me sounds more like the a scene from Rev 21.1b for the first heaven and first earth passed away. In fact 2 Peter 3.7 "By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly."
And again in 2 Peter 3.13 "But in keeping with his promise we are looking for ward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells."
This is our final destination and shouldn't preclude any previous events prior to its arrival.
If at the Lords coming everything is destroyed, then the 7th day has little relevance to His plan, and Rev 20 is a myth. That's my struggle with it.

Rev 20 is not a myth. the myth is what is taught about rev 20 by the premill doctrines.

 

[Wish-it]

All the end times scriptures when considered together point towards an amil POV, as otherwise unresolvable logic conflicts get created, meaning things just don't make sense. Like where are all these ungodly, unsaved, unbelieving people going to come from for Rev 20 to be what a permill believes. What they do is take all the last days doctrine of the return of Christ in the church letters and toss them in the trash.

All the end times scriptures when considered together point towards an amil POV, as otherwise unresolvable logic conflicts get created, meaning things just don't make sense. Like where are all these ungodly, unsaved, unbelieving people going to come from for Rev 20 to be what a permill believes. What they do is take all the last days doctrine of the return of Christ in the church letters and toss them in the trash.

Like where are all these ungodly, unsaved, unbelieving people going to come from for Rev 20 to be what a permill believes

I agree with that as have asked many where they all come from. The answers, are vaque. It seems that there will be millions of believers ruling and reigning over virtually no one. There a numerous scriptures which tend to suggest that there will be unbelievers in the Rev 20 millennium.
Zech 14.16, Rom 2.15,16, 1 Cor 7.14, for starters. But scripture suggests we will reign over nations. So maybe we premills need to reevaluate our belief in this respect.

 

[Wish-it]

Rev 20 is not a myth. the myth is what is taught about rev 20 by the premill doctrines.

What do you consider is the premill doctrine on Rev 20?

 

[Wish-it]

Like where are all these ungodly, unsaved, unbelieving people going to come from for Rev 20 to be what a permill believes.

Im deliberating on the opinion that the world will carry on into the 7th millennium minus a major number of participants in the final battles of Ezek 38,39, Rev 16, Zech 12 to 14, and that believers will meet him in the air, translate into imperishable bodies and rule with Him for thousand years as priests to the world, as God desired from Adam and Eve, the the Israelites, but now His true believers.
Zech 14 partially explains this. As does Isaiah 66.18 +

 

[Davidpt]

Like where are all these ungodly, unsaved, unbelieving people going to come from for Rev 20 to be what a permill believes.

What do you mean where are they going to come from? Is Zechariah 14, for one, not in your Bible? Is Zechariah 14 not holy writ as well? Only the NT is holy writ? No matter how you look at it, Zechariah 14:16-19 is meaning aftrr verse 12 has been fulfilled. Verse 12 has not been fulfilled yet. There is not one event in the past 2000 years, in any sense, that can possibly explain verse 12. Therefore, either verse 12 is yet to be fulfilled or it is a false prophesy.

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

This verse is relevant for a number of reasons. This can't be meaning before the great white throne judgment is fulfilled, therefore, must be meaning after the great white throne judgment is fulfilled.

Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

This does not fit after 1 Corinthians 15:28 is fulfilled since it is preposterous, that after 1 Corinthians 15:28 is fulfilled, that things would still be continuing in this manner---And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.


Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

This does not fit before verse 12 is fulfilled because this verse explains that not everyone of the nations that came against Jerusalem, that their fate was verse 12. No one could possibly still be alive after verse 12 has been applied to them. Every one that is left of all the nations which came against does not equal anyone verse 12 has been applied to. It equals someone verse 12 has not been applied to. That's just plain common sense. And that these can't be among the eternally saved if verse 17 can be applied to them.

Don't some of you get it yet? Verse 12 gives the impression there won't be one single survivor remaining of any of the nations that came against Jerusalem. Yet verse 16 proves otherwise.

To recap then. Verse 16 can't be fulfilled until after verse 12 has been fulfilled. Verse 12 has not been fulfilled yet. Verse 16 undeniably proves that verse 12 is not applied to every single person of the nations which came against Jerusalem. Verse 16 also proves that verse 16 is involving more than just one single 24 hour day once verse 12 has been fulfilled first since it records this---shall even go up from year to year. Therefore, an additional era of time is required after verse 12 is fulfilled in order to fulfill ---shall even go up from year to year.

And that verse 17 can't be meaning after 1 Corinthians 15:28 is fulfilled, therefore, has to be meaning before 1 Corinthians 15:28 is fulfilled. And that 1 Corinthians 15:28 can't be meaning before the great white throne judgment is fulfilled, therefore, has to be meaning after the great white throne judgment is fulfilled. Therefore, pretty much everything recorded in Zechariah 14 is involving eras of time that precede the great white throne judgment. That has to mean that only the millennium can possibly explain this in verse 16, in that case---shall even go up from year to year.

It is then simply a matter of connecting all the dots based on all of these things. Do some of you have no ability to connect the dots?

Amils are being hypocrites at times by insisting that it is not ok to contradict the NT per one's understanding of some of the prophesies recorded in the OT, but it is ok to contradict some of the prophesies recorded in the OT based on one's understanding of the NT. As if only the NT is holy writ, the OT isn't. If anyone is contradicting anything here, it is Amil that is contradicting Zechariah 14 based on their misunderstanding of some of the NT.

 

[Scott Downey]

I agree with that as have asked many where they all come from. The answers, are vaque. It seems that there will be millions of believers ruling and reigning over virtually no one. There a numerous scriptures which tend to suggest that there will be unbelievers in the Rev 20 millennium.
Zech 14.16, Rom 2.15,16, 1 Cor 7.14, for starters. But scripture suggests we will reign over nations. So maybe we premills need to reevaluate our belief in this respect.

Christians will actually 'reign' over other Christians, not the unsaved as they won't be on the new earth.
God has a hierarchy of rewards, believe it or not. Not all have the same resurrection, some have a better resurrection

Hebrews 11:35
Women received their dead raised to life again, and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection.

While the above today seems terrible and it is, God is a rewarder, according to every man's works.

Revelation 22:12
“And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every man according as his work shall be.


How do you read Luke 19, which occurs at the return of Christ.
Who is rewarded, who loses rewards, and who is destroyed?

Luke 19
11 And as they heard these things, He added and spoke a parable, because He was nigh to Jerusalem and because they thought that the Kingdom of God should immediately appear.

12 He said therefore, “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

13 And he called his ten servants and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, ‘Make use of it till I come.’

14 But his citizens hated him and sent a message after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’

15 And it came to pass that when he had returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.’

17 And he said unto him, ‘Well done, thou good servant; because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.’

18 And the second came, saying, ‘Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.’

19 And he said likewise to him, ‘Be thou also over five cities.’

20 And another came, saying, ‘Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid away in a napkin.

21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up what thou layest not down, and reapest what thou did not sow.’

22 And he said unto him, ‘Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up what I laid not down and reaping what I did not sow.

23 Why then gavest not thou my money unto the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with interest?’

24 And he said unto them that stood by, ‘Take from him the pound and give it to him that hath ten pounds.’

25 (And they said unto him, ‘Lord, he hath ten pounds!’)

26 ‘For I say unto you, that unto every one that hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that which he hath shall be taken away from him.

27 But those mine enemies, who would not that I should reign over them, bring them hither and slay them before me.’”

 

[Scott Downey]

What do you consider is the premill doctrine on Rev 20?

The one they all love to quote back at me the 1000 year reign. Which says nothing about it being on earth.

1000 year reign is where Christ is. When believers die, they go to be with Christ in heaven, where He is, and they reign where He is reigning right now today. We are raised together with Him and we live and reign with Christ a "1000 years" AT OUR DEATHS.

1000 years being symbolic of a long time, but still has an end date, the end of which is when the Father, only one who knows that Day, sends Christ again.

I have not worshipped the beast or his image or taken his mark.
I have not been martyred though.
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4 And I saw thrones and they that sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them. And I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast, nor his image, nor had received his mark upon their foreheads or on their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

 

[Scott Downey]

The first resurrection is Christ
And our life is hidden with Christ in God.
So we are a part of His resurrection.
It must be so, as we are granted access into heaven to live there with Him because He lives.
When our bodies perish, our living spirits go to be with the Lord in heaven.
Before that Christ was raised, the righteous went to Abraham's bosom, a temporary holding place for all the righteous dead.
Not hell and not heaven. We were not free to enter heaven so in that sense we were the captivity that Christ took into heaven when He ascended. Abraham's bosom is no more, all those who were there are now perfected in Christ.

And we are this here,

Ephesians 2
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love wherewith He loved us,

5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ (by grace ye are saved),

6 and hath raised us up together and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus

Colossians 3
9 For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

10 And ye are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power,

11 and in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ.

12 Ye are buried with Him in baptism, wherein ye also are risen with Him through the faith wrought by the operation of God, who hath raised Him from the dead.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

14 blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us. He took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;

15 and having despoiled principalities and powers, He made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

 

[Wish-it]

The one they all love to quote back at me the 1000 year reign. Which says nothing about it being on earth.

1000 year reign is where Christ is. When believers die, they go to be with Christ in heaven, where He is, and they reign where He is reigning right now today. We are raised together with Him and we live and reign with Christ a "1000 years" AT OUR DEATHS.

1000 years being symbolic of a long time, but still has an end date, the end of which is when the Father, only one who knows that Day, sends Christ again.

I have not worshipped the beast or his image or taken his mark.
I have not been martyred though.
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4 And I saw thrones and they that sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them. And I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast, nor his image, nor had received his mark upon their foreheads or on their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Not convinced about that, probably because of scripture like Rev 2.26+, Rev 5.10, Rev 20.6, which seems to refer to reigning on earth. And even the term an iron sceptre which it would appear we are, Rev 2.26+, Psalm 2.9, Rev 19.15. And if you look at the various version of Rev 20.4, some read as your version, as does my NIV and the footnote on mine says 'of God and those who had' which appears to read as to include us, ( as does the Greek) and then fits with Rev 5.10. "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.” The different versions show a completely different reading of the scripture, some including us some not.

 

[Wish-it]

Christians will actually 'reign' over other Christians, not the unsaved as they won't be on the new earth.

Can u give scriptures to show all unbelievers are destroyed. And are they destroyed in the final battle.

 

[Wish-it]

Scripture never speaks of the millennium as the 7th day. This is why I point out that I base my doctrine on clear, straightforward scriptures. There are definitely no clear, straight forward scriptures that refer to the thousand years as being the 7th day of history.

But it does show its in Genesis 1. And Peter describes ' a day is as a thousand years,' 2 Peter 3.8, and Heb 4.8 as us entering his rest, which is described as the day of rest, as stated in Genesis 1. And is it just coincidence that we are nearly at the end of the sixth millennium, and all the events of the world appear to coincidence with those events predicting the coming of the Lord. That Hosea describes the Lords coming in chapter 6.2, ' after two days he will revive us, and one the third day he will restore us' which coincidentally would be the 7th day. And why did Joshua enter the promised land, their "rest" and then failed to fulfill Gods requirements as part of it, and so failed.

 

[Scott Downey]

Not convinced about that, probably because of scripture like Rev 2.26+, Rev 5.10, Rev 20.6, which seems to refer to reigning on earth. And even the term an iron sceptre which it would appear we are, Rev 2.26+, Psalm 2.9, Rev 19.15. And if you look at the various version of Rev 20.4, some read as your version, as does my NIV and the footnote on mine says 'of God and those who had' which appears to read as to include us, ( as does the Greek) and then fits with Rev 5.10. "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.” The different versions show a completely different reading of the scripture, some including us some not.

When it says we shall reign on the earth, that is definitely true about the NEW earth, but nothing about this 'first' earth is guaranteed like that. That is because when Christ returns, He burns the world with fire, and it passes away, just like 2 Peter 3 teaches

 

[Scott Downey]

Can u give scriptures to show all unbelievers are destroyed. And are they destroyed in the final battle.

well absolutely, in 2 Thessalonians 1 it says this in v6-10

6 For it is a righteous thing with God to recompense with tribulation those who trouble you;

7 and to you who are troubled, rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels,

8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who know not God, and who obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

10 when He shall come on that Day to be glorified in His saints and to be admired in all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.