How can you find the truth when biblically supported views contradict?

[Behold]

So, only your little tribe got it right?
That's convenient. - LOL

"Church Doctrine" is for the body of Christ........not a "tribe'......but the Church.

Paul authored the doctrine for the Church......this is why most of the NT Epistles are written by Paul.
This is why 2nd Peter said that Paul's Letters are "BIBLE"... = Scripture.

 

[St. SteVen]

"Church Doctrine" is for the body of Christ........not a "tribe'......but the Church.

Paul authored the doctrine for the Church......this is why most of the NT Epistles are written by Paul.
This is why 2nd Peter said that Paul's Letters are "BIBLE"... = Scripture.

Doctrine is man-made.
A response/explanation/interpretation of what the Bible says.

The church had huge councils to DETERMINE doctrine.
Many sides were argued and they voted to finalize.

Man-made.

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[Jack]

Doctrine is man-made.
A response/explanation/interpretation of what the Bible says.

The church had huge councils to DETERMINE doctrine.
Many sides were argued and they voted to finalize.

Man-made.

And the Bible is coming to pass right under your nose. Stop following Satan and your eyes will be opened.

 

[Behold]

Doctrine is man-made.

A.) Not Paul's.

Now, MaryCult..... Scientology, Calvinism....... Preteriam, Universalism...... Mormonism.......JW........Christian Science... Episkopos nonsense...
This is all man made.
It came from man, and is taught by their deceived.

Paul's Doctrine, came from Jesus.
Paul tells us, "i received it from NO MAN......but from Jesus Himself".

= Personal Delivery from Jesus The Christ to be given to His CHURCH.....and that is every single born again believer.

This is why its TRUE....... as Paul's teaching , His Doctrine... literally came from the Holy One Himself who defines Himself as "THE Truth"... John 14:6

 

[St. SteVen]

A.) Not Paul's.

Overview of the Council of Laodicea​

The Council of Laodicea was a significant Christian synod that took place around 363-364 AD in Laodicea, located in modern-day Turkey. Approximately thirty clerics from Asia Minor participated in this regional assembly.

Purpose and Major Concerns​

The council aimed to address various practical and doctrinal issues within the Christian community. Key areas of focus included:

Regulating Church Conduct​

• Order Among Members: Established rules for bishops, clerics, and laypeople to maintain ecclesiastical order.
• Behavior Standards: Enforced modest behavior for both clergy and laity.
• Relations with Others: Set guidelines for interactions with heretics, Jews, and pagans.

Worship Practices​

• Liturgical Guidelines: Outlined specific practices for worship services, including fasting and feast days.
• Sabbath Observance: Encouraged Christians to rest on Sunday instead of Saturday, aligning with the celebration of Christ's resurrection.

Canonical Decisions​

The council also addressed the biblical canon:

• Canonical Texts: Canon 59 prohibited the reading of uncanonical books in churches.
• List of Books: Canon 60 proposed a list of recognized biblical texts, including 26 New Testament books but omitting the Book of Revelation.

Historical Context​

The council occurred shortly after the Roman Empire's conflict with Persia, during a time of theological disputes and the need for doctrinal clarity among early Christians. The decisions made at Laodicea were aimed at preserving the faith and ensuring orderly worship in a diverse religious landscape.

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[Deborah_]

Overview of the Council of Laodicea​

The Council of Laodicea was a significant Christian synod that took place around 363-364 AD in Laodicea, located in modern-day Turkey. Approximately thirty clerics from Asia Minor participated in this regional assembly.

Purpose and Major Concerns​

The council aimed to address various practical and doctrinal issues within the Christian community. Key areas of focus included:

Regulating Church Conduct​

• Order Among Members: Established rules for bishops, clerics, and laypeople to maintain ecclesiastical order.
• Behavior Standards: Enforced modest behavior for both clergy and laity.
• Relations with Others: Set guidelines for interactions with heretics, Jews, and pagans.

Worship Practices​

• Liturgical Guidelines: Outlined specific practices for worship services, including fasting and feast days.
• Sabbath Observance: Encouraged Christians to rest on Sunday instead of Saturday, aligning with the celebration of Christ's resurrection.

Canonical Decisions​

The council also addressed the biblical canon:

• Canonical Texts: Canon 59 prohibited the reading of uncanonical books in churches.
• List of Books: Canon 60 proposed a list of recognized biblical texts, including 26 New Testament books but omitting the Book of Revelation.

Historical Context​

The council occurred shortly after the Roman Empire's conflict with Persia, during a time of theological disputes and the need for doctrinal clarity among early Christians. The decisions made at Laodicea were aimed at preserving the faith and ensuring orderly worship in a diverse religious landscape.

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None of these issues are doctrinal. Churches have always differed on practices, because the New Testament (unlike the Old Testament) is largely non-prescriptive with regard to liturgy etc, and while all would agree on the ethical principles (e.g. modesty), there's a wide cultural and historical variation on the application (e.g. how you define modesty).

But with regard to doctrine, there are many issues on which the Bible is ambiguous (e.g. the precise nature of Hell, whether or not those who have never heard the gospel can be saved, can women teach in the church). I have a book ("Across the Spectrum" by Gregory Boyd & Paul Eddy) which lists 18 (quite major) issues on which Christians can legitimately disagree.

So where does the truth lie? Probably in holding two opposing views in tension. And recognising that, whichever side of the debate I come down on (e.g. regarding mode of baptism, age of the universe), the alternative view must be respected.

 

[MatthewG]

Maybe the best place to start is by listening to the Spirit—what it says to you. That’s why I’ve heard it said: you need the Holy Spirit to truly understand the Bible. Without Him, it’s just words on a page. “The natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God… because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:14).


I started my journey at 26. For about seven years, I sat under someone who walked me through the traditions of men, compared Mormonism with evangelical movements, and explored teachings from some of the top churches in his area. He went chapter by chapter, verse by verse, laying out different views—but he always told me: “Don’t trust me. Test everything. Go to the Word yourself.” That stuck with me. “Test all things; hold fast what is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).


Now I’m 34, and I still stand on the truth—both the inward and outward reality of the Kingdom as revealed in scripture. People die, they’re judged, and they’re resurrected. God loves all people. And from what I’ve seen, He’ll let them remain outside the Kingdom as long as they choose to be. “Its gates shall not be shut at all by day—there shall be no night there” (Revelation 21:25). The doors never close.


But what does that mean for you, if you don’t search it out for yourself? If you don’t care, or lack the desire to know? That’s the danger. Universalism might sound inclusive, but without the cross, without suffering for Christ, without faith that pleases God (Hebrews 11:6), it becomes a hollow shell.


In the end, it comes down to choice. “I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life…” (Deuteronomy 30:19). You must choose—to believe, or to reject Him altogether.

 

[soberxp]

None of these issues are doctrinal. Churches have always differed on practices, because the New Testament (unlike the Old Testament) is largely non-prescriptive with regard to liturgy etc, and while all would agree on the ethical principles (e.g. modesty), there's a wide cultural and historical variation on the application (e.g. how you define modesty).

But with regard to doctrine, there are many issues on which the Bible is ambiguous (e.g. the precise nature of Hell, whether or not those who have never heard the gospel can be saved, can women teach in the church). I have a book ("Across the Spectrum" by Gregory Boyd & Paul Eddy) which lists 18 (quite major) issues on which Christians can legitimately disagree.

The church, representing the bride, possesses feminine attributes.

Neither the church nor women can overstep the authority vested in the husband—this authority is the Word of Jesus Christ. Therefore, a female pastor who obeys Jesus Christ is fit to preach.
Anyone who overstep the the authority of Jesus Christ is not fit to teaching anything.


Paul instructed women to remain silent and not to preach. I believe this was because Paul was concerned that women preaching would offend male chauvinists, thereby causing disputes within the church. This ties back to the age-old adage that wives should submit to their husbands.And the argument that the church is the bride of Christ is based on this, so Paul may have asked women to do that to avoid unnecessary problems.

Yet, a woman is not considered the wife of all men, but all churches are the bride of Jesus Christ.

As for other issues, I will not elaborate further.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yet, a woman is not considered the wife of all men, but all churches are the bride of Jesus Christ.

Christ was the example, I guess.

Does the "husband of one wife" requirement mean that polygamy was common in the early church?

Why does the Apostle Paul require that church Elders be the "husband of one wife" if polygamy wasn't common in the church? Titus 1:5-6 ESV This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— 6 if anyone is...

www.christianityboard.com

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[soberxp]

Christ was the example, I guess.

Does the "husband of one wife" requirement mean that polygamy was common in the early church?

Why does the Apostle Paul require that church Elders be the "husband of one wife" if polygamy wasn't common in the church? Titus 1:5-6 ESV This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— 6 if anyone is...

www.christianityboard.com

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There is no specific biblical support for polygamy. Most of the genealogies written in the Bible are monogamous.

Consider the husband and wife as one body, one flesh.

How about the polygamy.I wonder about it.

 

[amigo de christo]

"Church Doctrine" is for the body of Christ........not a "tribe'......but the Church.

Paul authored the doctrine for the Church......this is why most of the NT Epistles are written by Paul.
This is why 2nd Peter said that Paul's Letters are "BIBLE"... = Scripture.

Tears do flow my friend .
You cannot expose st steven . the gospel you quoate is TRUE
but ye have turned to pauline . You give men like st steven more power and more influence .
You got to realize and fast
THAT ALL the APOSTELS , INCLUDING THE GREAT HIGH APOSTEL JESUS HIMSELF
all preached THAT SAME GOSPEL .
i have seen you with epi . Speaking the truth about the gospel
BUT TURNING IT INTO PUALINE doctrine .
THEY ALL preached THE SAME GOSPEL my friend . You must return to the pages of the bible
for your own self .
Mark my words , that even you will turn more and more to interfaith and that solution on the path you are on yourself .
I am so worried for this generation of christendom my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

The church, representing the bride, possesses feminine attributes.

Neither the church nor women can overstep the authority vested in the husband—this authority is the Word of Jesus Christ. Therefore, a female pastor who obeys Jesus Christ is fit to preach.
Anyone who overstep the the authority of Jesus Christ is not fit to teaching anything.


Paul instructed women to remain silent and not to preach. I believe this was because Paul was concerned that women preaching would offend male chauvinists, thereby causing disputes within the church. This ties back to the age-old adage that wives should submit to their husbands.And the argument that the church is the bride of Christ is based on this, so Paul may have asked women to do that to avoid unnecessary problems.

Yet, a woman is not considered the wife of all men, but all churches are the bride of Jesus Christ.

As for other issues, I will not elaborate further.

wrong , wrong. you just twisted the heck out of a true concept to fit a lie . WOMEN cannot lead the church my friend .
PAUL tells us why as does peter as to why women were not allowed to teach and usurp authority over the man .
AND THEY BOTH GIVE BIBLICAL examples . PAUL wasnt worried about offending male chauvinists .
HE tells US WHY . AND its a BIBLICAL EXAMPLE too .
Now as far as the part where you said all churches are the bride of christ .
THIS WOULD BE TRUE , IF THAT CHURCH actually FOLLOWS HIM and the doctrine left to us .
But we got wolves in wool all over most every church known to man now .
DO notice i did not say EVERY Church , but Rather MOST every church

 

[Behold]

Overview of the Council of Laodicea​

There were always "bodies" like that one that decided that they would be the decider, of correct Theology.
The MaryCult has been doing this same for 1500 yrs.
Its all MAN MADE, so, avoid it.
In fact you are the one who is is always writing Threads = whining about "divisions", and so you went and found a man made "division", and posted it.
Well, congrats, @St. SteVen

Now here is the answer.

Paul's Doctrine, came from Jesus.
Paul tells us, "i received it from NO MAN......but from Jesus Himself".

= Personal Delivery from Jesus The Christ to be given to His CHURCH.....and that is every single born again believer.

This is why its TRUE....... as Paul's teaching , His Doctrine... literally came from the Holy One Himself who defines Himself as "THE Truth"... John 14:6

 

[amigo de christo]

There were always "bodies" like that one that decided that they would be the decider, of correct Theology.
The MaryCult has been doing this same for 1500 yrs.
Its all MAN MADE, so, avoid it.
In fact you are the one who is is always writing Threads = whining about "divisions", and so you went and found a man made "division", and posted it.
Well, congrats, @St. SteVen

Now here is the answer.

Paul's Doctrine, came from Jesus.
Paul tells us, "i received it from NO MAN......but from Jesus Himself".

= Personal Delivery from Jesus The Christ to be given to His CHURCH.....and that is every single born again believer.

This is why its TRUE....... as Paul's teaching , His Doctrine... literally came from the Holy One Himself who defines Himself as "THE Truth"... John 14:6

VERY TRUE my friend .
SO IS THIS
the very gospel that JESUS had preached , as well as peter and the apostels and yes even stephen preached
PAUL WOULD LATER be given BY JESUS HIMSELF .
IN other words THEY ALL PREACHED THE SAME GOSPEL .
I can easily prove this .
GO look at the book of acts
GO and behold even johns letter.
THEY ALL PREACHED the life , death and ressurection of JESUS and all said YE MUST BELEIVE THIS .
SAME GOSPEL . You act as though puals gospel was different than peters or others .
NO it was not . And he preached it to both the jews and gentiles in every jewish synangogue
he would visist . AS DID peter . AS DID peter also preach the same gospel to the house of cornelious ,a gentile .

 

[Behold]

You act as though puals gospel was different than peters or others .
NO it was not .

Paul's gospel is not...>"repent and be water baptized".

Pauls gospel is not...>"so we see that its Faith + Works"....

Paul's gospel is the one that Episkopos said is "delusion".

Paul's Gospel is "The Gospel of the Grace of God"....without water and without works.

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul's gospel is not...>"repent and be water baptized".

Pauls gospel is not...>"so we see that its Faith + Works"....

Paul's gospel is the one that Episkopos said is "delusion".

Paul's Gospel is "The Gospel of the Grace of God".

You actually think james preached works without faith . just like many seem to think
paul preached a hyper grace .
THEY ALL preached the same thing . you have allowed men to twist things to you .
BUT there is hope still for you my friend .
Take this challenge . Just sit down in a quite room
pick up JUST the bible
No other commentaries , no nothing . and you read it for YOU .
this will clear up in TIME for you , IF YOU DO THIS . men made things complicated
NOT GOD .

 

[Behold]

You actually think james preached works without faith .

James teaches that Faith is proven by works.
Abraham BELIEVED God.....so there is His Faith......that is "counted as righteousness"....and then, he offers His son.
James teaches that if you are a Christian, then you are going to produce proof as works.

Heretics.....rewrite James, and they say...>>"James is teaching that Salvation is Faith + Works"...and that is not true.

God produces Christians, as born again... through their faith in Christ.....and then the Christian is to go and do good works.

 

[amigo de christo]

James teaches that Faith is proven by works.
Abraham BELIEVED God.....so there is His Faith......that is "counted as righteousness"....and then, he offers His son.
James teaches that if you are a Christian, then you are going to produce proof as works.

Heretics.....rewrite James, and they say...>>"James is teaching that Salvation is Faith + Works"...and that is not true.

God produces Christians, as born again... through their faith in Christ.....and then the Christian is to go and do good works.

CORRECT . this is correct . James does teach that . ITS PROOF . not that works saves one
JAMES KNEW JESUS , HE KNEW ONE MUST have faith .
ITS JUST faith without works , WELL its not faith at all . its dead .
BECAUSE as you know and as I KNOW by grace
ITS GOD , CHRIST , HIS SPIRIT that WORKS IN US that which is well pleasing TO GOD .
YEP . ITS ALL about FAITH IN CHRIST . GOD calls and calls us to BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
GOD dont call us to a be a muslim with good works
or a hindu , or athiest , or new age, GOD IS TRUTH , not lies and false religoins of devils .
SO again i say
WHY THE HECK IS ANYONE having a seat at this table of interfaith .
LOOK at the words , LOOK at the leaders , the popes and etc .
THEY DID THIS . THEY DID THIS and if anyone even bothers to examine this so called interreligious interfaith dilagoue
THEY HAD SEEN IT . As well as the very words in this abreaham peace accords , ITS IN THERE
as well as this religius tolerance , rights , etc , ITS in there . . we being DECIEVED

 

[St. SteVen]

How about the polygamy.I wonder about it.

It was part of middle eastern culture of biblical times.
It might still be common today. Not sure.

The topic link I provided asks the question:
Does the "husband of one wife" requirement for church elders mean that polygamy was common in the early church?

Does the "husband of one wife" requirement mean that polygamy was common in the early church?

Why does the Apostle Paul require that church Elders be the "husband of one wife" if polygamy wasn't common in the church? Titus 1:5-6 ESV This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— 6 if anyone is...

www.christianityboard.com

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[quietthinker]

How can you find the truth when biblically supported views contradict?​

'Biblical' is subjective. One could ask, what or who's Biblical view?
Unless one interprets through the lens of Jesus (if they know what that means) one will inevitably come up with a view which is deemed 'Biblical' yet totally off track.....and be unaware of it.

The Jews justified the murder of Jesus 'biblically'......thats how far off track this premise had become.