How can you find the truth when biblically supported views contradict?

[HealthyShape]

Where is the contradiction? There is none! The only contradiction is that which you are forcing into the texts, reading the account without giving complete context.

It is you who gave incomplete context, you are leaving out verses so that the chronology of events is not evident. You also use the KJV in which you rely on the obscurity of the language.

While he was saying this, a synagogue leader came and knelt before him and said, “My daughter has just died. But come and put your hand on her, and she will live.”
Mt 9:18 - NIV

He pleaded earnestly with him, “My little daughter is dying. Please come and put your hands on her so that she will be healed and live.”
Mk 5:23 - NIV (and he later receives the message that his daughter died)

 

[HealthyShape]

It is prideful and "rational people" who "quench the Spirit" and thereby "take away the key of knowledge."

I think it is prideful to invent nonsensical explanations and then require others to accept them or calling them prideful, without Spirit, without some kind of "deep spiritual understanding" etc.

Accepting what is evident, even if it is unpleasant, is not prideful. It is actually a virtue and not many people can do it.

 

[ScottA]

I think it is prideful to invent nonsensical explanations and then require others to accept them or calling them prideful, without Spirit, without some kind of "deep spiritual understanding" etc.

Accepting what is evident, even if it is unpleasant, is not prideful. It is actually a virtue and not many people can do it.

So...you are a prideless accuser of what you "think" is "nonsensical?" That's pretty much what you said. Interesting admission.

 

[HealthyShape]

So...you are a prideless accuser of what you "think" is "nonsensical?" That's pretty much what you said. Interesting admission.

I did not say I am prideless. But yes, your explanations are nonsensical.

The issue: Matthew and Mark place the cleansing of the temple near the end of Jesus' ministry, while John places it at the beginning.

Your explanation: Matthew and Mark speak of the flesh (of Messiah), while John speaks of the Spirit--"before the foundation of the world." Both again are true and without contradiction.

The actual text:
Then Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. He said to them, ‘It is written, “My house shall be called a house of prayer,” but you make it a den of robbers.’
Mt 21:12 - about the flesh of Messiah? Come on...

And you did not even get the problem with Heb citation of the Psalm and the lack of such verse in most of the Bibles. Your "explanation" demonstrates it. Do you know about the differences between the Masoretic texts and the Septuagint text? You substitute the lack of knowledge with fantasy.

 

[ScottA]

I did not say I am prideless. But yes, your explanations are nonsensical.

The issue: Matthew and Mark place the cleansing of the temple near the end of Jesus' ministry, while John places it at the beginning.

Your explanation: Matthew and Mark speak of the flesh (of Messiah), while John speaks of the Spirit--"before the foundation of the world." Both again are true and without contradiction.

The actual text:
Then Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. He said to them, ‘It is written, “My house shall be called a house of prayer,” but you make it a den of robbers.’
Mt 21:12 - about the flesh of Messiah? Come on...

And you did not even get the problem with Heb citation of the Psalm and the lack of such verse in most of the Bibles. Your "explanation" demonstrates it. Do you know about the differences between the Masoretic texts and the Septuagint text? You substitute the lack of knowledge with fantasy.

You considered the placement of Jesus cleansing the Temple in the different gospels a contradiction. I have told you why it is not, but is on purpose, and a revelation. But it was not I who spoke.

Same goes for the other passages.

Your considering them sensible or nonsensical speaks rather of you.

 

[St. SteVen]

While he was saying this, a synagogue leader came and knelt before him and said, “My daughter has just died. But come and put your hand on her, and she will live.”
Mt 9:18 - NIV

He pleaded earnestly with him, “My little daughter is dying. Please come and put your hands on her so that she will be healed and live.”
Mk 5:23 - NIV (and he later receives the message that his daughter died)

I agree.
That is definitely a contradiction. (same with the withering fig tree - Matt. 21:20; Mark 11:21)

Those who claim otherwise are only trying to maintain that the Bible is without contradiction.
Which obviously is not true.

It seems that sometimes they worship the book more than the author.

Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

I have encountered some that I thought had fallen into this trap. I asked them, "What would become of your faith if you put your whole library out on the curb on trash day?" The guilty are left mostly speechless. Or, alternatively VERY angry. How come? To be clear, I love the Bible and use...

www.christianityboard.com

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[HealthyShape]

Your considering them sensible or nonsensical speaks rather of you.

I guess you are the only one who considers such explanations sensible. That is maybe good enough for your private life, but not good enough for public forums.

 

[rwb]

It is you who gave incomplete context, you are leaving out verses so that the chronology of events is not evident. You also use the KJV in which you rely on the obscurity of the language.

While he was saying this, a synagogue leader came and knelt before him and said, “My daughter has just died. But come and put your hand on her, and she will live.”
Mt 9:18 - NIV

He pleaded earnestly with him, “My little daughter is dying. Please come and put your hands on her so that she will be healed and live.”
Mk 5:23 - NIV (and he later receives the message that his daughter died)

The context I supplied for you has to do with Jarius and his daughter. That which I did not quote is what transpired between Christ receiving news of the impending death of this young girl before finally going to heal her. The context I gave shows the COMPLETE story that all three gospel accounts prove are EXACTLY the same without contradiction. It seems you and others here would rather make the Word of God out to be contradicting JUNK than to admit that you have NOT rightly divided the Word because you have YOUR unbiblical doctrine to defend!

 

[Lambano]

The text says what it says. Whether the difference between Matthew's account and Mark's and Luke's account is significant is a different argument. Frankly, I think having slight differences between witnesses gives the text authenticity. But please, do NOT say that Bible doesn't say what it says because you need it to be something it is not in order to have faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[rwb]

The text says what it says. Whether the difference between Matthew's account and Mark's and Luke's account is significant is a different argument. Frankly, I think having slight differences between witnesses gives the text authenticity. But please, do NOT say that Bible doesn't say what it says because you need it to be something it is not in order to have faith in Jesus Christ.

I'm not certain who you're addressing here, but this I know without any doubt, if we cannot believe the Bible is Pure and Trustworthy, every jot and tittle, without contradiction, we might just as well burn it because if it does not contain complete unadulterated TRUTH it is good for NOTHING! I believe the real problem some people have with seeing contradiction is not the BIBLE itself, but the various and multitude of translations that are so different from one another that it makes one question whether or not we even have the Word of God, or whether we simply possess the many words of fallen man!

 

[rwb]

I agree.
That is definitely a contradiction. (same with the withering fig tree - Matt. 21:20; Mark 11:21)

Those who claim otherwise are only trying to maintain that the Bible is without contradiction.
Which obviously is not true.

It seems that sometimes they worship the book more than the author.

Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

I have encountered some that I thought had fallen into this trap. I asked them, "What would become of your faith if you put your whole library out on the curb on trash day?" The guilty are left mostly speechless. Or, alternatively VERY angry. How come? To be clear, I love the Bible and use...

www.christianityboard.com

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Contradictions in the Bible come from the minds of men! God does NOT contradict Himself!

 

[Lambano]

I'm not certain who you're addressing here, but this I know without any doubt, if we cannot believe the Bible is Pure and Trustworthy, every jot and tittle, without contradiction, we might just as well burn it because if it does not contain complete unadulterated TRUTH it is good for NOTHING!

Really? Because Matthew says Jairus came to Jesus after his daughter died and Mark and Luke say he came before she died, you can't trust Jesus Christ to save your soul and you're not going to follow him? What the hell kind of faith is that?

 

[Lambano]

if we cannot believe the Bible is Pure and Trustworthy, every jot and tittle, without contradiction, we might just as well burn it

 

[Lambano]

 

[Jack]

How can you find the truth when biblically supported views contradict?​

I don't recall any of your views being "biblically supported".

 

[rwb]

Really? Because Matthew says Jairus came to Jesus after his daughter died and Mark and Luke say he came before she died, you can't trust Jesus Christ to save your soul and you're not going to follow him? What the hell kind of faith is that?

What did Jesus say? "He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth." It doesn't make a contradiction depending upon when she APPEARED to have died to them. The FACT remains, she had only appeared to have died, and Christ awakened her to prove that He has power to heal, and death had no power over her. And all the gospels record identical accounts. How do you know that Jesus Christ is the Savior to save your soul? You know it by what you READ in His Unadulterated Word! If His Word contradicts, how can we KNOW that we have eternal life by believing His Word?

 

[rwb]

If YOUR Bible contradicts itself, what good is it?

 

[Lambano]

If YOUR Bible contradicts itself, what good is it?

 

[HealthyShape]

The context I supplied for you has to do with Jarius and his daughter. That which I did not quote is what transpired between Christ receiving news of the impending death of this young girl before finally going to heal her. The context I gave shows the COMPLETE story that all three gospel accounts prove are EXACTLY the same without contradiction. It seems you and others here would rather make the Word of God out to be contradicting JUNK than to admit that you have NOT rightly divided the Word because you have YOUR unbiblical doctrine to defend!

Oh mine, so many issues, here... and quite a bit of hysteria/anxiety?

 

[St. SteVen]

Contradictions in the Bible come from the minds of men! God does NOT contradict Himself!

Who wrote the Bible then? (Men. I agree)

What the hell kind of faith is that?

Well said. - LOL

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