What is the state of the dead in the afterlife?

[St. SteVen]

John 11:14 Jesus says Lazarus has died.

In verse 11 Jesus said he was asleep.
What did he mean by that?

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[walter]

Sometimes Jesus explains his parables Sometimes he does not, he did not explain the parable about the Rich man and Lazarus. You don't really know when Jesus is using a spiritual metaphor.

 

[St. SteVen]

Sometimes Jesus explains his parables Sometimes he does not, he did not explain the parable about the Rich man and Lazarus.

If no interpretation was given, none is required.
We should take him at His word.
Was Jesus misleading us about the state of the dead?
Is there a great chasm, as Jesus (Abraham) says, that separates those in the realm of the dead?

You don't really know when Jesus is using a spiritual metaphor.

LOL
Does that help or hurt your "whole Bible" view?

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[Jack]

Sometimes Jesus explains his parables Sometimes he does not, he did not explain the parable about the Rich man and Lazarus. You don't really know when Jesus is using a spiritual metaphor.

Luke 16 is not a parable! Why are you calling it that?

 

[walter]

Luke 16 is not a parable! Why are you calling it that?

Yes, Jesus said in Matthew 13:34-35 and Mark 4:33-34 that he spoke to the crowds in parables and without a parable he did not speak to them, but he explained all things privately to his disciples. This was a deliberate teaching method to reveal spiritual truth to those receptive to it, while concealing it from the spiritually unwilling.

Thank you but I am done debating this subject, I have listed all the 20 scriptures on post #168

What is the state of the dead in the afterlife?

The way you explain it sounds reasonable to me, but myself [ I like to let the Bible do most of the talking and explaining ] of any details that are beneficial. 2 Timothy 3:16-17, John 17:17, Acts 17:11, Romans 15:4 I did not give you many of the scriptures coverring what I said. However, they...

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[Jack]

Yes, Jesus said in Matthew 13:34-35 and Mark 4:33-34 that he spoke to the crowds in parables and without a parable he did not speak to them, but he explained all things privately to his disciples. This was a deliberate teaching method to reveal spiritual truth to those receptive to it, while concealing it from the spiritually unwilling.

So John 3:16 is just a parable for you? Not for me!

Parables do not use literal Biblical people! Luke 16 does.

 

[Bladerunner]

Why does the Bible explain "you shall surely die" Genesis 2:17, "For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.” Gen. 3:19 in the book of Genesis, why does the book of Genesis explain these details in the first place? Why does Genesis explain nothing about we really don't die?

well, God also tells Adam and Us that if they eat of the Tree of Knowledge, they will surely die that day. Here, Adam Soul would die and become Totally Depraved and in 930 years, His body would die...This just happens to be the 1day of GOD since 1 of his days is a 1,000 years to us. In addition, Since Adam represented mankind, the death of His soul will extend to all of His children, (all those of the earth) that they are born with a sin nature and become totally deprived.

 

[walter]

So John 3:16 is just a parable for you? Not for me!

John 3:16 is not a parable, but part of a private conversation Jesus had with a Pharisee named Nicodemus. It was spoken to a believing individual religious leader, not to the large crowd that later called for Jesus' crucifixion.

John 3:16 is not a parable, it was not spoken to the crowds that delivered Jesus to his death.

 

[Jack]

John 3:16 is not a parable, but part of a private conversation Jesus had with a Pharisee named Nicodemus. It was spoken to an individual religious leader, not to the large crowd that later called for Jesus' crucifixion.

Jesus didn't make up horror stories. Hell Fire is real and everlasting. Jesus said so.

 

[walter]

Jesus didn't make up horror stories. Hell Fire is real and everlasting. Jesus said so.

Sorry but I am finished debating endlessly.

 

[Jack]

Sorry but I am finished debating endlessly.

Luke 16 totally agrees with Jesus' several warnings of the EVERLASTING fire.

 

[walter]

of his days is a 1,000 years to us.

Exactly.

 

[Aunty Jane]

It's not unconscious nonexistence.

Death has no consciousness....no Scripture says so if you read through a Jewish lens, rather than the adopted pagan beliefs of Christendom.

Many times in the Bible, death is called a “sleep”....are you conscious when you are asleep? Can you plan and do things in real life whilst you are sleeping? You sleep until you awaken...sometimes by an alarm clock, jolting you out of sleep when you are not ready to wake up. Or perhaps someone has woken you up to alert you of something that needs your attention.....like your house is on fire....

Death is a sleep from which only God can awaken us by his spirit.....giving the “breath of life” back to those who come back in the resurrection.......and he has given that privilege to his son who was given the Holy Spirit at his baptism. Those who will rule with him in heaven, will also be awakened by Jesus so that they can join him there where he went to prepare a place for them. Theirs is a separate resurrection which takes place “first” (Rev 20:6)....and they are “born again” as spirit beings in order to be able to dwell in a place where flesh and blood cannot go.

Isaiah 14:9-11 NIV
The realm of the dead below is all astir
to meet you at your coming;
it rouses the spirits of the departed to greet you—
all those who were leaders in the world;
it makes them rise from their thrones—
all those who were kings over the nations.
10 They will all respond,
they will say to you,
“You also have become weak, as we are;
you have become like us.”
11 All your pomp has been brought down to the grave,
along with the noise of your harps;
maggots are spread out beneath you
and worms cover you.

Read through a Jewish lens, this is figurative...and even sarcastic.
You speak about poetry......this is very poetic, spoken against the kings of the earth who had previously held God’s people in subjugation.
It is as if the common grave of mankind were to wake up all those kings who preceded the Babylonian dynasty into death, so that they can greet the newcomer. They mock the Babylonian ruling power, which is now helpless, lying on a bed of maggots instead of on a costly divan, covered with worms instead of expensive linens.

There is nothing literal in that passage.....if you see to whom it is directed, you would know that God is mocking those nations that he has defeated...those who once thought that they were invincible....like Babylon.

 

[Jack]

Death has no consciousness....

Satan LOVES that doctrine!

no Scripture says so if you read through a Jewish lens, rather than the adopted pagan beliefs of Christendom.

Many times in the Bible, death is called a “sleep”....are you conscious when you are asleep? Can you plan and do things in real life whilst you are sleeping? You sleep until you awaken...sometimes by an alarm clock, jolting you out of sleep when you are not ready to wake up. Or perhaps someone has woken you up to alert you of something that needs your attention.....like your house is on fire....

Death is a sleep from which only God can awaken us by his spirit.....giving the “breath of life” back to those who come back in the resurrection.......and he has given that privilege to his son who was given the Holy Spirit at his baptism. Those who will rule with him in heaven, will also be awakened by Jesus so that they can join him there where he went to prepare a place for them. Theirs is a separate resurrection which takes place “first” (Rev 20:6)....and they are “born again” as spirit beings in order to be able to dwell in a place where flesh and blood cannot go.

Read through a Jewish lens, this is figurative...and even sarcastic.
You speak about poetry......this is very poetic, spoken against the kings of the earth who had previously held God’s people in subjugation.
It is as if the common grave of mankind were to wake up all those kings who preceded the Babylonian dynasty into death, so that they can greet the newcomer. They mock the Babylonian ruling power, which is now helpless, lying on a bed of maggots instead of on a costly divan, covered with worms instead of expensive linens.

There is nothing literal in that passage.....if you see to whom it is directed, you would know that God is mocking those nations that he has defeated...those who once thought that they were invincible....like Babylon.

Says the Governing Body, leading MILLIONS of JW's to Hell fire!

 

[Aunty Jane]

Satan LOVES that doctrine!

Says the Governing Body, leading MILLIONS of JW's to Hell fire!

Do you ever have anything intelligent to say Jack?.....your responses are nothing but the regurgitated doctrines that you learned in Christendom....they have no place in the Bible.

Look up the “fire of Gehenna”....it was a literal place Jack.....a garbage tip outside Jerusalem where refuse was burned to destroy it.....there is no literal “hell fire”....human refuse will be “destroyed” in “Gehenna”.....those who rejected the truth but swallowed the lies that satan planted...he loves gullible people like you actually.

Just be very careful about your hateful accusations as they may well backfire on you.
How would you feel if it was you going to where you condemn others? (1 Cor 10:12)

 

[Jack]

Do you ever have anything intelligent to say Jack?.....your responses are nothing but the regurgitated doctrines that you learned in Christendom....they have no place in the Bible.

Such irony. lol You don't know anything but what the GB masters told you.

Look up the “fire of Gehenna”....it was a literal place Jack.....a garbage tip outside Jerusalem where refuse was burned to destroy it.....there is no literal “hell fire”.

You don't even know what Jesus said.

Matthew 5:22 Whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

...human refuse will be “destroyed” in “Gehenna”.....those who rejected the truth but swallowed the lies that satan planted...he loves gullible people like you actually.

Just be very careful about your hateful accusations as they may well backfire on you.
How would you feel if it was you going to where you condemn others? (1 Cor 10:12)

Satan LOVES it when his messengers convince people there is no EVERLASTING fire!

 

[Aunty Jane]

Which includes 27 references to the realm of the dead.

If you go to chabad.org .......there you can look up all those Scriptures, and see how the Jews translate “Sheol”...

It’s the “realm of the dead”...not the living. Who told you the dead are not dead?
Who wants you to believe that?

 

[Jack]

If you go to chabad.org .......there you can look up all those Scriptures, and see how the Jews translate “Sheol”...

It’s the “realm of the dead”...not the living. Who told you the dead are not dead?
Who wants you to believe that?

'Death' NEVER means 'cease to exist' in the Bible. You should read it some time.

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[St. SteVen]

You speak about poetry......this is very poetic...

The book of Isaiah is prophecy, not poetry.

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[St. SteVen]

Who told you the dead are not dead?

Jesus.
And the Jewish the teachers of the law.

Luke 20:37-39 NIV
But in the account of the burning bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise,
for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’[a]
38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”
39 Some of the teachers of the law responded, “Well said, teacher!”

Who wants you to believe that?

Christians. Followers of Jesus.

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