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The rich man died but was very much alive in the fire! He's gonna have a lot of company of Hell deniers!

Luke 16:22-28 The rich man died
and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'27 Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'
A parable you want to use a parable , a story told to make a point . its not a story of any reality . please you can do better
 

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A parable you want to use a parable , a story told to make a point . its not a story of any reality . please you can do better
Parables don't use literal Biblical people, Abraham, Moses, Lazarus. Jesus didn't make up horror stories.
 
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Parables don't use literal Biblical people, Abraham, Moses, Lazarus. Jesus didn't make up horror stories.
Well , I was unaware you are the one that got to make the rules.
 

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Well , I was unaware you are the one that got to make the rules.
I didn't make any rule. I stated FACT! Why are you obsessed with convincing people there is no eternal Hell. That sounds like a doctrine from Satan.
 
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I didn't make any rule. I stated FACT! Why are you obsessed with convincing people there is no eternal Hell. That sounds like a doctrine from Satan.
for some ,,,,,,,they will be in the grave for ever . Jesus did say there would be a resurrection of the Righteous and the unrighteous .after a time when some prove them selves to be unworthy of continued life they are ended .then to be in the grave for ever .
 

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for some ,,,,,,,they will be in the grave for ever . Jesus did say there would be a resurrection of the Righteous and the unrighteous .after a time when some prove them selves to be unworthy of continued life they are ended .then to be in the grave for ever .
All you seem to have is YOUR JW opinions. Luke 16 totally blows your opinions away! For starters. You don't seem to have a clue what Jesus said about Hell Fire, the EVERLASTING Fire, the Furnace of Fire, the Lake of Fire ....
 

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EVERLASTING Fire, means for ever gone ,forever destroyed
No it doesn't. It's the same Greek word for EVERLASTING Life! Do you also deny everlasting life?

Matthew 25:46
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.

NEVER ending!
 
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Matthew 5:45 Then he will answer them, saying: ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of these least ones, you did not do it to me.’46  These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”

life ,ever lasting life! even as you are now, but better

cutting-off: That is, from life. The Greek word koʹla·sis is used of “pruning” or “lopping off” needless branches from trees. This “cutting-off” would be “everlasting,” since the person would be cut off from life with no hope of a resurrection.
 
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google what ever you like , hades ,Sheol ,hell and the grave , is the same place

Jesus would not tell you that its better to pluck out your own eye then to go to the Grave.
But He say that about 'Hell".
Try to understand that Jesus didnt die on The Cross to save you from a hole in the ground. @locust
 
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Jesus would not tell you that its better to pluck out your own eye then to go to the Grave.
But He say that about 'Hell".
Try to understand that Jesus didnt die on The Cross to save you from a hole in the ground. @locust
being saved from death by resurrection is the promise that was made . after that resurrection comes the oblation of fallowing kingdom rule . if it is that people refuse to do that then will come the 2nd death. with that death there are no more chances . its as if fire consumed them ,they are gone ,gone, gone and forgotten.
(please note i am only here referring to those that die before Armagedón )
 
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Matthew 5:45 Then he will answer them, saying: ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of these least ones, you did not do it to me.’46  These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”

life ,ever lasting life! even as you are now, but better

cutting-off: That is, from life. The Greek word koʹla·sis is used of “pruning” or “lopping off” needless branches from trees. This “cutting-off” would be “everlasting,” since the person would be cut off from life with no hope of a resurrection.
Satan's GB convinces JW's they are Greek and Hebrew experts when they can't even understand perfectly clear English.

Matthew 25:46 (ASV)
46 And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.

Matthew 25:46 (AMP)
46 Then they will go away into eternal punishment, but those who are just and upright and in right standing with God into eternal life.

Matthew 25:46 (BBE)
46 And these will go away into eternal punishment; but the upright into eternal life.

Matthew 25:46 (MontgomeryNT)
46 "And these will go away into eternal punishment; but the righteous into eternal life."

Matthew 25:46 (CSBBible)
46
“And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Matthew 25:46 (CEB)
46 And they will go away into eternal punishment. But the righteous ones will go into eternal life."

Matthew 25:46 (CJB)
46 They will go off to eternal punishment, but those who have done what God wants will go to eternal life.”

Matthew 25:46 (CEV)
46 Then Jesus said, "Those people will be punished forever. But the ones who pleased God will have eternal life."

Matthew 25:46 (Darby)
46 And these shall go away into eternal punishment, and the righteous into life eternal.

Matthew 25:46 (DRV)
46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.

Matthew 25:46 (ESV)
46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Matthew 25:46 (GW)
46 “These people will go away into eternal punishment, but those with God's approval will go into eternal life.”

Matthew 25:46 (HCSB)
46 “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Matthew 25:46 (KJV)
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matthew 25:46 (MaceNT)
46 and these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matthew 25:46 (MLB)
46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Matthew 25:46 (MOFF)
46 So they shall depart to eternal punishment, and the just to eternal life."

Matthew 25:46 (NET1)
46 And these will depart into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Matthew 25:46 (NASB77)
46 "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Matthew 25:46 (NASB)
46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Matthew 25:46 (NIV)
46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Matthew 25:46 (NIV2011)
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Matthew 25:46 (NJB)
46 And they will go away to eternal punishment, and the upright to eternal life.'

Matthew 25:46 (NKJV)
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Matthew 25:46 (NLT2)
46 “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.”

Matthew 25:46 (NRSV)
46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Matthew 25:46 (RSV)
46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Matthew 25:46 (TLB)
46 "And they shall go away into eternal punishment; but the righteous into everlasting life."

Matthew 25:46 (WesleyNT)
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment; but the righteous into life everlasting.
 
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it has been my observation that any time the ''world'' ,meaning that is the part that dare to call themselves Christion yet are not ,says something is so then it should be questioned . why ?because the world is being lead astray ,guided not by the almighty God but by the god of the world ... 2 Corinthians 4:4'' In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.''
to then have better understanding of
Matthew 25:46
''These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”
you can not punish a dead person only the living can be punished .
Ecclesiastes 9:5
''For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.''
 

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it has been my observation that any time the ''world'' ,meaning that is the part that dare to call themselves Christion yet are not ,says something is so then it should be questioned . why ?because the world is being lead astray ,guided not by the almighty God but by the god of the world ... 2 Corinthians 4:4'' In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.''
to then have better understanding of
Matthew 25:46
''These will depart into everlasting cutting-off,
Yeah, In Hell FOREVER!
but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”
you can not punish a dead person only the living can be punished .
Ecclesiastes 9:5
''For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.''
 

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Reader,

Salvation is based on :

God's Grace
Christ's Sacrifice
Faith

Take any of those away, and you have no Salvation.
Add to any of those and you have denied The Cross.

Now, if a person goes to Hell.....its because they died in their sin, and that becomes in Eternity, = the unpardonable sin, because there is no forgiveness found for you if you have died in your sins.......unforgiven.
And the way you die in your sins, is to never be forgiven, which means you died a Christ rejector, never born again.
You have committed the Unpardonable sin and died.
And if you read Heb 10:26, you read where Jewish Christ rejectors are committing the unpardonable sin of rejecting theirr Savior, their Messiah.......Jesus The Lord.


So, THAT PERSON... Jew or Gentile, if they die today or tomorrow or yesterday, is now in Hell.

And what are they doing, Reader.?
They are trying to get out......... And how are they trying to get out of Hell?
They are telling God.....>"OH GOD< i DO BELIEVE.. OH GOD....I DO TRUST IN CHRIST">.... and God ignores them., forever.
FOREVER.
Why?
Because once you are in HELL, you SEE Hell,.... and you KNOW you are in it. .....So that is PROOF that God, and Hell and JESUS are all REAL.
And now you KNOW IT because you SEE IT....and that is not FAITH........That is "seeing is believing" and God requires FAITH in what you can't SEE to save you.......And that is why you have to TRUST in CHRIST before you DIE....as this way, you are believing in what you can't SEE, and that is Genuine FAITH that God accepts.

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If you are reading this and you are not a Christian.....Then Ive Good News for you. You dont have to go to Hell, and God is offering you Heaven instead, right now.
Will you take it ???
Will you accept God's offer of Heaven as your eternity, instead of Hell?
God has made it so simple and so easy...... to go to Heaven. All you have to do is give God your faith in Christ.
Now, be honest with yourself. Haven't you sinned? And dont you know that you need to be forgiven?
Well, Jesus died on THe Cross for YOU... so that you can be forgiven all your sin........and God only asks of you that you be honest about your sin..., and come to Jesus and trust in Him and God will forgive you, and God will make Heaven your eternal home this very day.

Will you come?
Will you take Jesus by faith as your Savior? Will you open your heart to Jesus?
Do it now.......Do it today and God will save you and forgive you and bring you into His LOVE and Grace and Heaven will become your eternal Home.

Dont wait.
Hello @Behold,

The choice is not Heaven or Hell, but life or death. For either the dead will be raised to life, or to judgment, and the second death. The choice is that stark.

For the believer there is no condemnation, but the gift of life everlasting in Christ Jesus

Praise God!
 
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Please testify against yourself about what you think you know and the JW's don't