Religion : The "broad way" that leads to Hell.

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Reader,

Religion is always a barrier between God and man.
Why?
Its because Religion teaches that there are many Paths to God, and Jesus said that there is only ONE< and He is ""the only WAY.""

John 14:6

Religion is man made........Its always man trying to reach God, or become like God based on Man's VAIN concepts regarding how He is to cause it.....and by self effort try to achieve it.

Christianity is not a Religion.
Christianity is God coming to this earth to offer Himself wrapped in human flesh, as the eternal sacrifice for SIN.
And who needs this Sacrifice ? = Everyone, as "All have sinned". "there is none righteous, no not one".

Now the sin offering, who Is Jesus.... HIS SACRIFICE of HIMSELF is the only FORGIVENESS for your sin......however, it does not cause your Salvation.
So, following the forgiveness, God then establishes your Salvaiton by giving you His Righteousness, as THIS is the reason a person is become a Christian. The person has received from God ... "imputed righteousness"......as "The Gift of Righteousness".

The forgiven SINNER, has now become....."THE righteousness of GOD........in Christ"...

A.) "So now being justified by faith we have peace with God"

Now there is a person on this forum "Episkapos" who teaches that you can't have God's righteousness, you have to do it yourself.
So, thats a "doctrine of devils", (Hebrews 13:9 - KJV) and He loves to play that part on this forum.
Its his ministry., according to his THREADS and POSTS and Videos.

Listen,
The heart of the Gospel is God's Righteousness being given to the SINNER,. as a "GIFT".... as without it, you can't become "one with God", and you can't go to Heaven, unless you are joined to God spiritually as "IN CHRIST">....."one with God".
= Thats what it means to be "BORN Again".
You have to receive fron God...the GIFT... = "the imputed righteousness of Christ" .....before you DIE, or you will leave this earth separated from God's Spirit, unforgiven, and this can't be resolved for you after you die.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

Matthew 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

if i remember right you said hell is the place of punishment but thats not what Matthew 7:13 says . in fact the destruction is so complete that even the name of that person is forgotten.

 

[Behold]

Matthew 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate;

Trusting in Christ is the "narrow Gate".....its the "only WAY to the Father".......Its HIM....>He is the "narrow way".

John 14:6 (KJV)

for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction,

The "Destruction" that is found by not trusting in Christ.......is : "you go to Hell after you die".

The "broad way" that leads you there, is religion, theological opinion, and unbelief....as these are the "broad ways".. or the "many paths", that lead you to DESTRUCTiON.

Where is Hell Located?

A.) Hell is Located at the END of a Christ rejecting life.... and many have already found it and many found it today.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Trusting in Christ is the "narrow Gate".....its the "only WAY to the Father".......Its HIM....>He is the "narrow way".

You have misquoted that verse.....the “narrow gate” is the entrance to the cramped road to life....it means entering onto a path that leads to life...the “way” that Jesus trod, through vilification, accusation, hatred and eventual death....setting the perfect example for his disciples who would experience the same treatment from misguided and misled humans. (John 15:18-21)

Why is the gate narrow? It doesn’t allow for a lot of baggage....if you are saddled with a lot of false doctrine, you will never get past that gate....and will therefore not become a traveller on “the road less travelled”. (Matt 7:13-14)

The "Destruction" that is found by not trusting in Christ.......is : "you go to Hell after you die".

Everyone goes to “hell” when they die.....this is “sheol” in Hebrew, and “hades” in Greek.....there is no fire or torture in either...only rest in sleep. (Eccl 9:5, 10; John 11:11; 1 Thess 4:13)

The "broad way" that leads you there, is religion, theological opinion, and unbelief....as these are the "broad ways".. or the "many paths", that lead you to DESTRUCTiON.

Yes...”destruction” doesn’t mean eternal torture.....look it up in any dictionary. What is “destroyed” is completely gone.

The “hell” you are talking about is “Gehenna” not “hades”. It was a literal place in Jerusalem...you can actually visit the site since you live in Israel.
It was Jerusalem’s garbage dump, which was kept burning day and night by the addition of brimstone (sulfur) so that anything thrown into Gehenna was consumed by the flames...People could throw the carcasses of dead animals, and even the bodies of humans, not considered worthy of a decent burial....nothing alive was ever cast there.
You seem to have no idea of the difference.....alluding to two completely different outcomes for humankind.

Where is Hell Located?

A.) Hell is Located at the END of a Christ rejecting life.... and many have already found it and many found it today.

Your version of “hell” is from a vivid imagination...nothing in the Bible even suggests that humans can be tortured after death. You have to be alive to feel pain...the dead are not alive. Eternal life is granted only to the righteous....the incorrigibly wicked simply cease to exist. Why does God need to compromise his perfect justice by making the penalty worse than the crime?

Most will “wake up” in the resurrection, as Jesus calls them from their graves.....even those who have done vIle things will be resurrected and given a second chance at life since they lived and died in ignorance. (John 5:28-29) Does God punish those who transgress a law that does not yet exist?

When Israel adopted Baal worship and were sacrificing their children in the fire to a false god, what was Yahweh’s response?

“They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.’” (Jer 7:31)

If God found that practice abhorrent, why then would he do the same to his own children?

Your god is a sadistic fiend. Jesus doesn’t know such a God and neither do genuine Christians.

That is the personality of the devil......is that the god you serve?

 

[Behold]

You have misquoted that verse.....the “narrow gate”

I didnt misquote the verse.

I stated that the "narrow way" is Jesus.......John 14:6

And the "broad way"., is Religion and all other paths to God.

Read more carefully.

Everyone goes to “hell” when they die....

It could be that you are going to hell as you seem to think so.
But im not going, as im "in Christ" and Christ is in me.
So, if i went to hell, Christ would go there with me.

So, You're theology does not connect with the NT or with common sense.
I suggest you leave your JW Cult, asap.

Yes...”destruction” doesn’t mean eternal torture..

Christians dont look to secular materal to try to understand the bible.

Listen, Damnation (John 3:36) is not temporary.
Damnation is the ETERNITY for everyone who is not born again on earth, before they die.

"2nd Death" is not temporary.....its the literal Eternaity for a Christ Rejector, who was never born again on Earth.

The “hell” you are talking about is “Gehenna” not “hades”.

The "Hell" im explaining is found at the end of a Christ rejecting life.

Listen, To be a "Christ rejector" does not mean that the person can't come to a form and quote bible verses and talk about Jesus with affection.
A Christ Rejector is someone who was not born again on Earth, before they died.

Your version of “hell” is from a vivid imagination...nothing in the Bible even suggests that humans can be tortured after death.

Hell will be no less harsh for the Chrsit Rejectors then was the beating and the scourging and the crucifixion was for Jesus.

Most will “wake up” in the resurrection, as Jesus calls them from their graves...

Born again Christians are awake right now.
We have been 'Quickened" the NT explaines.....(Born again).

When Israel adopted Baal worship and were sacrificing their children in the fire to a false god, what was Yahweh’s response?

When Sexual perverts wanted to Rape God's 2 Angels who were in Sodom and Gomorrah, what was God's response?
If you were in Israel when im there, i can actually show you His response.
I can take you there.

If God found that practice abhorrent, why then would he do the same to his own children?

Christ Rejectors are not NEW TESTAMENT "children of God".

Wake up.

 

[Triumph1300]

Question off topic, Aunty do you believe Christ died on the cross for YOU?

 

[Deleted member 26788]

I didnt misquote the verse.

I stated that the "narrow way" is Jesus.......John 14:6

And the "broad way"., is Religion and all other paths to God.

John 14:6 states, “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
there is no gate in that verse . the narrow way is living to a set of standards the world thinks laughable. those of the world promote , do unto others before they do to you.

 

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John 14:6 states, “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
there is no gate in that verse .

Let me show you the "gate" in the verse"., that is the "narrow WAY".


Jesus said, "no person comes to the Father, but by ME".

See that?

That is because He is the '""ONLY WAY...to the Father""'...and that is only ONE =""way,"", and that is why its THE "narrow" way....as there is NO OTHER WAY to God.
Jesus is the only Gate. The Only Door.......Its ONLY The Cross of Christ that is offered as the way to God.
Jesus = "the WAY".. the only "WAY".........the "narrow way"....>>Himself.

A.) The Cross of Christ

 

[Deleted member 26788]

JESUS CHRIST marked out the way to everlasting life. “Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.''

 

[Behold]

JESUS CHRIST marked out the way to everlasting life. “Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.''

The Cross of Christ is "the narrow way".

Here is the "narrow way"....> = "All who believe in Jesus shall be saved"....."As many as call on the name of Jesus (by faith) shall be saved".

 

[Aunty Jane]

Question off topic, Aunty do you believe Christ died on the cross for YOU?

Yes, absolutely! There is no salvation without Christ’s sacrifice...that was the whole purpose of it.

Through one man sin entered into the world, and thorough the sacrifice of one man, sin will be eliminated. (Rom 5:12)
It’s a process, because humans have to make choices...those who choose to become footstep followers of Jesus must necessarily follow his example....to be obedient to the will of God, to be moral, mild tempered, taking the message out to the people, appealing to sinners to repent, and giving hope to the hopeless.

They must remain “no part of the world” that is disintegrating before our eyes, and rest their hope on God’s Kingdom as our only hope for peace and security....not any solution offered by man...especially if it means having blood on our hands. (Isa 1:15)

Many who call themselves “Christians” even on these forums, are very politically divided, as well as doctrinally divided. God’s spirit does not divide his people among themselves....it divides them off from those who are mere label wearers...those who do have blood on their hands as those who support the war mongers on this planet......the biggest of these is of course the weapons manufacturers who are laughing all the way to the bank whilst those misguided ones in their patriotism, will kill even their own brothers in the faith for purely political reasons. (1 John 4:20-21)

Who is running this show? (1 John 5:19) What part of “the whole world” is not involved in his rulership?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Let me show you the "gate" in the verse"., that is the "narrow WAY".


Jesus said, "no person comes to the Father, but by ME".

See that?

That is because He is the '""ONLY WAY...to the Father""'...and that is only ONE =""way,"", and that is why its THE "narrow" way....as there is NO OTHER WAY to God.
Jesus is the only Gate. The Only Door.......Its ONLY The Cross of Christ that is offered as the way to God.
Jesus = "the WAY".. the only "WAY".........the "narrow way"....>>Himself.

A.) The Cross of Christ

Well, there you have the desperation....SEE THAT? Jesus never yelled at anyone.
He preached TO people...not AT them.

 

[Aunty Jane]

The Cross of Christ is "the narrow way".

Here is the "narrow way"....> = "All who believe in Jesus shall be saved"....."As many as call on the name of Jesus (by faith) shall be saved".

No sorry, that is not all that is required....talk is cheap...actions speak louder than words. (James 2:18-26)

Jesus’ response to those who are all talk with little to recommend them apart from their various demonstrations of what they think is the holy spirit.....is clear...

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ (Matt 7:21-23 ESV)

OUCH! Who will be on the receiving end of that rejection? Thankfully, Jesus knows.....

How many call Jesus their “Lord”? What does “DOING” the will of his Father mean? It requires action, not faith alone.

Yet not all ‘actions’ are genuine either....when Jesus says “I NEVER knew you! Depart from me you workers of lawlessness” .....”never” means “not ever”.....and these ones are breaking God’s laws, even though they don’t believe that they are.

Ponder for a moment what that could possibly mean....

 

[Triumph1300]

Yes, absolutely! There is no salvation without Christ’s sacrifice...that was the whole purpose of it.

That means nothing else matters.
Doctrinal difference don't matter, it's all works, which does not bring salvation.
All the stuff people discuss here has no effect on ones salvation.
All that matters is that people believe he died on the cross for them.
So, discuss all you want, get excited, etc etc.
(I am just as guilty)
All doctrine has no effect on salvation as long as that one thing is in your heart "He went to the Cross" for me.

 

[Behold]

It’s a process,

Salvation is not a "Process"

Salvation is Jesus's Sacrifice that is the only "WAY" to God.......John 14:6.

Salvation is "The Gift of Righteousness".

What is the Proof that a person has received God's "Gift of Salvation".

1.) The are forgiven all sin, and are become born again.

2.) They have the Spirit of God in them.........= every Christian is the : "Temple of the Holy Spirit".

They must remain “no part of the world”

Salvation does not require your subsequent behavior modification.
Salvation is not related to you getting some idea in your head, of "what is Jesus like" and then you try to produce it as an ACTOR.

Salvation is a Gift from God, given to a SINNER.........so, obviously that teaches us that Its all of God, as what sinner isn't in the world, when God saved them "while we were yet sinners".

 

[Triumph1300]

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ (Matt 7:21-23 ESV)

All of that comes as a result of salvation as one grows in the faith.
If he says "I never knew you" means you did not have faith in what happened at the cross.
Christ knows these things, because he knows everything.
He knows what is in the heart.

 

[Behold]

Well, there you have the desperation....SEE THAT? Jesus never yelled at anyone.
He preached TO people...not AT them.

Im not preachimg to you.
I teaching you.
Your head is like a brick, so, a little pounding is necessary to try to get anything in there., as you are so JW indoctrinted for so many years.
You're very hardned in that way. @Aunty Jane

And Jesus did yell at people.
He yelled at the religous fakirs who were in the Temple in Jerusalem, when He chased them out of the Temple with a whip He made.
He was turning over their tables at the same time.
That was the Angry God man.....and He only showed this side of Himself, to religious fakers and to people who mock God and to people who teach heresy for too long, and He will show this to people who cheat believers in business.
Whereas when dealing with the worst sinner during His Ministry, He only loved them, and blessed them, and sometimes healed them, except for when he told some religious fakirs to "depart from me, i never knew you".

 

[Triumph1300]

Many who call themselves “Christians” even on these forums, are very politically divided, as well as doctrinally divided.

Yes they are.
But if they believe He went to the cross for them they are saved, despite their differences.
All the rest i s w o r k s.
And works don't save you.
If you think works will save you, you are saying that what He did on the cross was not enough to save you.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Yes they are.
But if they believe He went to the cross for them they are saved, despite their differences.
All the rest i s w o r k s.
And works don't save you.
If you think works will save you, you are saying that what He did on the cross was not enough to save you.

No amount of works can save anyone, but if you don’t have any works to back up your faith it’s not worth anything anyway. Read James 2:18-26...”faith without works is dead”. You need both. God requires something from us.....our obedience.

As for differences....1 Cor 1:10 tells us that we cannot be divided theologically......we must of necessity, all believe one truth with “ no divisions”. How many truths are there....? Where does that leave the divided mess that Christendom has become?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Im not preachimg to you.
I teaching you.

LOL.... you call that teaching???
What on earth can you teach me that I haven’t already researched after 50 odd years of intense Bible study? Unlike you, I accept the whole Bible as my truth....not just Paul’s writings.
We have the teachings of Jesus as related by all the apostles, chosen by the one who was taking them to heaven. What are they going to do there....you keep dodging my question.

Your head is like a brick, so, a little pounding is necessary to try to get anything in there., as you are so JW indoctrinted for so many years.
You're very hardned in that way. @Aunty Jane

You make me laugh....thick as a brick eh? What does that make you then? No Scripture penetrates with you if it’s not from Paul...and even then you ignore it if it’s not what you want to believe.....

And Jesus did yell at people.
He yelled at the religous fakirs who were in the Temple in Jerusalem, when He chased them out of the Temple with a whip He made.

What Jesus demonstrated was his abhorrence of false religious leaders, teaching what was not truth and leading the people down a completely dark path. All teachers have double accountability....be warned.

He was turning over their tables at the same time.
That was the Angry God man.....and He only showed this side of Himself, to religious fakers and to people who mock God and to people who teach heresy for too long, and He will show this to people who cheat believers in business.
Whereas when dealing with the worst sinner during His Ministry, He only loved them, and blessed them, and sometimes healed them, except for when he told some religious fakirs to "depart from me, i never knew you".

Well then, that describes your excuse for yelling at people who don’t accept what you think is the truth, doesn’t it? You are their judge and jury...be careful about that too. (1 Cor 10:12)

The “sinners” had to repent if they wanted to follow Jesus...what did he say?...”go and sin no more”. Is that what you teach? Or do you think that being “born again” according to your definition, (which I reject out of hand) means that you can’t sin in your “born again” condition?
Were the apostles born again? Did that mean that they couldn’t sin and lose their reward?

We have to remain “faithful until death”....to receive the reward...”enduring to the end”....what does that mean to you? You have created your own rules.....good luck with that.