LEFT BEHIND ... what to do?

[Marty fox]

I don't get what you are saying.

Are we talking the Mark of the Beast, or the mark of the 144k?

Either way, they both are literal.

If God forgave Paul for all of that wouldn’t God forgive anyone who truly repents of taking the mark?

Roman’s 10:13

For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”​

 

[Brakelite]

The OT Sabbath was a legalistic requirement but the NT Sabbath is a spiritual requirement, not legalistic.

“For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. ”
Romans 7:14 KJV

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[Randy Kluth]

Just to be clear, Christians should not rely on AI for answers. We rely on the Holy Spirit. But this event of being left behind ( that you do not think will transpire) involves unbelievers, those who never relied on Jesus really. So then for immediate help/ advice, with spirit filled churches, preachers and Christians nowhere to be found to witness and minister to them, the AI OP does just fine actually.

Have you played computer games that use AI? They are all defective. ;)

 

[quietthinker]

If God forgave Paul for all of that wouldn’t God forgive anyone who truly repents of taking the mark?

Roman’s 10:13

For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”​

Mark, Name, Seal, Character....all are adjectives to identify a state of being.
The Name of God is the Character of God. The Seal given reflects his Characteristics in people. 'I have come that they may have life and have it abundantly'....Jesus
The Mark identifies the Characteristics of Satan in people. 'you are of your father the Devil'; 'the thief who comes to steal. kill and destroy'....Jesus

Does this manifest as tattoos or chips? No no no, it is identified by the character one has chosen to embrace and develop. It manifests in the trajectory of HOW one thinks and behaves towards others.

 

[ewq1938]

“For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. ”
Romans 7:14 KJV

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Obviously that is one law but these scriptures speak negatively of a different law (the OT law):


Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law- Galatians 3:13

the law entangles with the yoke of bondage- Galatians 5:1

if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law - Galatians 5:18

the strength of sin is the law- 1 Corinthians 15:56

the law worketh wrath- Romans 4:15

we are not under the law- Romans 6:15

ye also are become dead to the law - Romans 7:4

we are delivered from the law- Romans 7:6

we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter- Romans 7:6

Jesus made us free from the law of sin and death- Romans 8:2

 

[quietthinker]

LEFT BEHIND ... what to do?​

Hmmmm, I guess one could indulge in a favourite ice cream or buy a lottery ticket! .....even a Chinese car?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Have you played computer games that use AI? They are all defective. ;)

No, but that figures, man made it and man is flawed. As you said, AI is sifting through some information that is flawed. But if you are asking advice about a future event, and the answer is based only on the truths and warnings given in the Bible, what's wrong with that? It's not adding to it and embellishing like flawed humans do. Just offering strict doctrine. You could hand them a Bible and say, the answers are in here, read it. That will take some time and yes they need to do that but let's say death is staring them in the face, they don't have time. So, they need a wuick crash course, don't you think. And to AI, It's as simple as 1 + 1 = 2.
And I think AI summed it up in the OP. What advice would give to an unbeliever in an environment that all of sudden did not have ministers, witnesses, preachers, churches to go to, love that seems to be nowhere to be found?
You are adamantly against and in disbelief of a Pre-Trib and Mid-Trib scenario, so you respond negatively, reject the advice.
I reject a Post-Trib scenario and your views - back at ya. It's flawed. Simply Jesus returns, transforms His church and it's NOT OVER YET. The war between Jesus, His angels and the world starts then. It's not over the day He returns, it goes on. Could be only 40-75 days of wrath, but it's not 1 day. Armageddon is a scenario of the world, insane as it will seem, to war against God. If He came and immediately ended it in a flash, I'd still be reluctant to adopt Post -Trib. Because the faithful church is kept from the hour of trial. He does not appoint us to wrath. You don't seem to get a grasp on how bad it's going to be during that time and/ or you think nits only about Israel's punishment. You read Revelation and think you can handle going through all that? Well some will and many will die trying to. Maybe you will have to?

 

[JLB]

If God forgave Paul for all of that wouldn’t God forgive anyone who truly repents of taking the mark?

Roman’s 10:13

For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”​

Because you disdained all my counsel,
And would have none of my rebuke,
I also will laugh at your calamity;
I will mock when your terror comes,
When your terror comes like a storm,
And your destruction comes like a whirlwind,
When distress and anguish come upon you.
“Then they will call on me, but I will not answer;
They will seek me diligently, but they will not find me.
Because they hated knowledge
And did not choose the fear of the LORD,
Proverbs 1:25-29





Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:9-12

 

[Marty fox]

Mark, Name, Seal, Character....all are adjectives to identify a state of being.
The Name of God is the Character of God. The Seal given reflects his Characteristics in people. 'I have come that they may have life and have it abundantly'....Jesus
The Mark identifies the Characteristics of Satan in people. 'you are of your father the Devil'; 'the thief who comes to steal. kill and destroy'....Jesus

Does this manifest as tattoos or chips? No no no, it is identified by the character one has chosen to embrace and develop. It manifests in the trajectory of HOW one thinks and behaves towards others.

Yes that was my point it’s not a literal mark but a unrepentant condition of the heart

 

[Marty fox]

Because you disdained all my counsel,
And would have none of my rebuke,
I also will laugh at your calamity;
I will mock when your terror comes,
When your terror comes like a storm,
And your destruction comes like a whirlwind,
When distress and anguish come upon you.
“Then they will call on me, but I will not answer;
They will seek me diligently, but they will not find me.
Because they hated knowledge
And did not choose the fear of the LORD,
Proverbs 1:25-29





Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:9-12

I.m not denying what the bible says I’m denying what the mark is it’s not a li mark but an unrepentant condition of the heart

 

[rebuilder 454]

If God forgave Paul for all of that wouldn’t God forgive anyone who truly repents of taking the mark?

Roman’s 10:13

For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”​

I would say so.
He is a gracious God.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yes that was my point it’s not a literal mark but a unrepentant condition of the heart

No. It is literal, as inferred and described.
It is recognizable within the lost world.
Anyone refusing it is martyred.
In no way is it a "spiritual mark".

 

[JLB]

I.m not denying what the bible says I’m denying what the mark is it’s not a li mark but an unrepentant condition of the heart

The mark is an etching into the skin. It is a literal thing.

 

[Marty fox]

No. It is literal, as inferred and described.
It is recognizable within the lost world.
Anyone refusing it is martyred.
In no way is it a "spiritual mark".

Then that is a contradiction of John 3:16 which promises salvation to anyone who repents. John 3:16 doesn't say "unless you receive the mark of the beast"

 

[Marty fox]

The mark is an etching into the skin. It is a literal thing.

Then that is a contradiction of John 3:16 which promises salvation to anyone who repents. John 3:16 doesn't say "unless you receive the mark of the beast"

 

[Marty fox]

Mark, Name, Seal, Character....all are adjectives to identify a state of being.
The Name of God is the Character of God. The Seal given reflects his Characteristics in people. 'I have come that they may have life and have it abundantly'....Jesus
The Mark identifies the Characteristics of Satan in people. 'you are of your father the Devil'; 'the thief who comes to steal. kill and destroy'....Jesus

Does this manifest as tattoos or chips? No no no, it is identified by the character one has chosen to embrace and develop. It manifests in the trajectory of HOW one thinks and behaves towards others.

Yes amen

 

[ewq1938]

Then that is a contradiction of John 3:16 which promises salvation to anyone who repents. John 3:16 doesn't say "unless you receive the mark of the beast"

It also doesn't mention the unforgivable sin. There is also this:

Rev_9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev_16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Rev_16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

 

[Marty fox]

It also doesn't mention the unforgivable sin. There is also this:

Rev_9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev_16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Rev_16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

Yes, that's where I get my view from the not repenting, thus the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (the unrepentant rejection of the holy Spirit) is what Jesus said that the unforgivable sin is.

 

[ewq1938]

thus the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (the unrepentant rejection of the holy Spirit) is what Jesus said that the unforgivable sin is.

He didn't say unrepentant tho. Using your logic, the "unforgivable sin" contradicts John 3:16.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.


I have always believed that.
Perfect pretrib outline.
Thank you.

That passage does not support pretrib in any way, shape or form. Pretrib doesn't see the end occurring when Jesus comes which is when the dead in Christ are resurrected and when Jesus will deliver the kingdom to God to God thee Father. Pretrib has the rapture occurring 7 years before that.