I tried to rush the Rapture, and I felt sick (can you do anything apart from God?)

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Hi there,

So I guess I am nothing, if not honest to a fault: I really and truly thought I could 'rush' the Rapture! It was just a matter of working out what the fool would believe, how he would see killing the faithful as a favor to God and imagining that the Devil would justify him. But God does not simply rescue us from danger we merely imagine! I guess I have to humble myself! In a way I am relieved, the Rapture will be a strength to those on Earth, when it comes, because God will not allow it to be taken or presumed upon by those on Earth - the will of Man has nothing to do with the spiritual state of the relationship men (believers) have with God.

You can imagine Jesus laughing at me, right? "Son, the Rapture is there to help people commit to God, " you can imagine Him saying "It is not there to force people to change their imagination about God [on its own]" Well, you got me stumped! That's what I want to say: I am that committed to the end, for me, it could be today. I don't want to be mean; people should have every opportunity to believe. Jesus could play His hand and surprise us for a moment, but what good would that do in the long run? I guess this is about learning the wisdom of the Rapture, developing a heart of compassion for those whose struggle with the Lord is unguided.

Power to God! If He keeps want to send one Rapture after another, so be it! The point is that we have a relationship to God, which is everything to us - God loves that!

I hope this has been encouraging.

God bless.

PS. And the lesson is: don't try to rush people's Rapture! You'll feel sick!
 
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Hi there,

So I guess I am nothing, if not honest to a fault: I really and truly thought I could 'rush' the Rapture! It was just a matter of working out what the fool would believe, how he would see killing the faithful as a favor to God and imagining that the Devil would justify him. But God does not simply rescue us from danger we merely imagine! I guess I have to humble myself! In a way I am relieved, the Rapture will be a strength to those on Earth, when it comes, because God will not allow it to be taken or presumed upon by those on Earth - the will of Man has nothing to do with the spiritual state of the relationship men (believers) have with God.

You can imagine Jesus laughing at me, right? "Son, the Rapture is there to help people commit to God, " you can imagine Him saying "It is not there to force people to change their imagination about God [on its own]" Well, you got me stumped! That's what I want to say: I am that committed to the end, for me, it could be today. I don't want to be mean; people should have every opportunity to believe. Jesus could play His hand and surprise us for a moment, but what good would that do in the long run? I guess this is about learning the wisdom of the Rapture, developing a heart of compassion for those whose struggle with the Lord is unguided.

Power to God! If He keeps want to send one Rapture after another, so be it! The point is that we have a relationship to God, which is everything to us - God loves that!

I hope this has been encouraging.

God bless.

PS. And the lesson is: don't try to rush people's Rapture! You'll feel sick!
What in the world are you saying? rushing the Rapture, or people's Rapture. Try rewriting you post, this time use different words. That's my two cents.
 
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It is not for us to know, God is not going to tell us what is reserved for His own knowledge as one of the secret things of God.

Acts 1
7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.

Yes, you cannot rush it forward, or delay it, it will happen exactly on the pre-appointed Day, not late, not early, He will show up exactly on time. God is never late.
 
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I feel sick for a short bit, then like you, I am relieved. And then back to my regularly scheduled program.

I feel sorrier for the sick, and the old, and the poor, and the handicapped people who were trying to rush the Rapture more than me. I read their stories in the comment sections below the various YouTube videos.

But God does not simply rescue us from danger, in this life we will have tribulation. God will not allow it to be taken or presumed upon by those on Earth, though they have attempted to take the Kingdom of God by force. The Rapture has suffered violence, and the violent have attempted to take it by force.

Jesus can't play His Hand and surprise us with any moment, the Rapture is far too wise for that time. Only the Father can be aware of, or understand, that day and that hour. Not even the angels in heaven.

As for me, I remain humble.
 
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I feel sorrier for the sick, and the old, and the poor, and the handicapped people who were trying to rush the Rapture more than me. I read their stories in the comment sections below the various YouTube videos.

I just saw this anonymous post today on an agnostic news forum:

I think I'm suffering from End Times Prophecy depression.
Quit my job in July.

All I do is lay around the house. Eat, sleep in like 2 hour increments.

I go to my buddy's on the weekends to hang out over there with his family.

I lay around with my new puppy. (Turning close to a year old)

I have a little money saved up. My wife is retired. But I have no ambition to do anything. It takes everything I have to mow the yard.

I guess it's all just anticipation. For Jesus to come take us.

See....I know we're in the last days. I believe the Trump Peace deal fulfills Daniel 9:27.

Which means the 7 year Tribulation period.

I'm waiting on the Rapture. Why look for a job, right. Lol

Anyways...Is anybody else suffering from this?

Or am I just a lunatic?​
The thing that sucks?​
My wife used to be Catholic growing up. But now she's into occult I guess you call it.​
Terrot cards. She collects them.​
Insense candles.​
All that crazy stuff.​
She hates Trump & has nothing good to say if Christians.​
I don't even try to convert her.​
I'm alone in this world besides my buddy.​
I'm the only Non vaccinated person I know, besides my daughter.​
My brother died a few years ago. He was like me.​
My best friend died in 2019 from pancreatic cancer.​
It's a lonely existence for me, man.​
I'm just waiting on Jesus to come get me outta here.​
I thought the vaccine was the motb, which was why I primarily didn't take it or the test.​
Here we are 5 years later & we're still here. Prophecy feels like it's unfolding, but no rapture.​
Tribulation should be underway with the peace treaty.​
Where are the 2 witnesses?​
I'm so confused about everything.​
My faith is strong & relentless.​
But I'm wearing down.​
I'm getting tired.​
All the evil in this world.​
I don't belong here anymore.​
Maybe I have an undiagnosed disorder, or something?​
Clinical manic depression, if that's a term?​
Something got to be going on with me.​
Am I suffering mentally, or spiritually?​
 

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I just saw this anonymous post today on an agnostic news forum:

I think I'm suffering from End Times Prophecy depression.
Quit my job in July.​
All I do is lay around the house. Eat, sleep in like 2 hour increments.​
I go to my buddy's on the weekends to hang out over there with his family.​
I lay around with my new puppy. (Turning close to a year old)​
I have a little money saved up. My wife is retired. But I have no ambition to do anything. It takes everything I have to mow the yard.​
I guess it's all just anticipation. For Jesus to come take us.​
See....I know we're in the last days. I believe the Trump Peace deal fulfills Daniel 9:27.​
Which means the 7 year Tribulation period.​
I'm waiting on the Rapture. Why look for a job, right. Lol​
Anyways...Is anybody else suffering from this?​
Or am I just a lunatic?​
The thing that sucks?​
My wife used to be Catholic growing up. But now she's into occult I guess you call it.​
Terrot cards. She collects them.​
Insense candles.​
All that crazy stuff.​
She hates Trump & has nothing good to say if Christians.​
I don't even try to convert her.​
I'm alone in this world besides my buddy.​
I'm the only Non vaccinated person I know, besides my daughter.​
My brother died a few years ago. He was like me.​
My best friend died in 2019 from pancreatic cancer.​
It's a lonely existence for me, man.​
I'm just waiting on Jesus to come get me outta here.​
I thought the vaccine was the motb, which was why I primarily didn't take it or the test.​
Here we are 5 years later & we're still here. Prophecy feels like it's unfolding, but no rapture.​
Tribulation should be underway with the peace treaty.​
Where are the 2 witnesses?​
I'm so confused about everything.​
My faith is strong & relentless.​
But I'm wearing down.​
I'm getting tired.​
All the evil in this world.​
I don't belong here anymore.​
Maybe I have an undiagnosed disorder, or something?​
Clinical manic depression, if that's a term?​
Something got to be going on with me.​
Am I suffering mentally, or spiritually?​
You have in you the Holy Spirit - the Comforter. Just pray and ask God to strengthen you and comfort you with the Holy Spirit.

I pray that God gets you a new job and a better job.
 

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You have in you the Holy Spirit - the Comforter. Just pray and ask God to strengthen you and comfort you with the Holy Spirit.

I pray that God gets you a new job and a better job.
Thanks for you help Doug, you're the best. But it's a misunderstanding. It's not me. I was showing an example of a post from an agnostic news forum where a guy has watchman's fatigue from all the Rapture talk.

See what I put at the first line:

I just saw this anonymous post today on an agnostic news forum:
Then I indented the rest of his post.

Because many people are rushing the Rapture. I read of them in various comments below the YouTube videos, and now on random news forums. Sick and old and sad people. Poor people. Disabled people. It's quite depressing. Their disappointment is greater than mine.

New Information.

This one is just hours old.

One thing Joshua still can hold over our heads that we don't know is, will there be no World Cup in 2026? That one I might wager a bigger bet on.

Actually two things we might wager a bet on. Two things might still be true. Joshua said he was told by God that, "from the time Israel became a nation in 1948, there will be 77 years to the Exodus." We still have all of 2025 for that.

It looks like old C.J Lovik has been bitten by that 77 year bug. I wondered what he was thinking throughout this latest Rapture deal.

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I think I have this set to start at 17:45 for the good parts, but it can be replayed from the beginning if you like:


There might still be something going on with this. C.J Lovik is smart with Hebrew.
 

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Thanks for you help Doug, you're the best. But it's a misunderstanding. It's not me. I was showing an example of a post from an agnostic news forum where a guy has watchman's fatigue from all the Rapture talk.

See what I put at the first line:


Then I indented the rest of his post.

Because many people are rushing the Rapture. I read of them in various comments below the YouTube videos, and now on random news forums. Sick and old and sad people. Poor people. Disabled people. It's quite depressing. Their disappointment is greater than mine.

New Information.

This one is just hours old.

One thing Joshua still can hold over our heads that we don't know is, will there be no World Cup in 2026? That one I might wager a bigger bet on.

Actually two things we might wager a bet on. Two things might still be true. Joshua said he was told by God that, "from the time Israel became a nation in 1948, there will be 77 years to the Exodus." We still have all of 2025 for that.

It looks like old C.J Lovik has been bitten by that 77 year bug. I wondered what he was thinking throughout this latest Rapture deal.

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I think I have this set to start at 17:45 for the good parts, but it can be replayed from the beginning if you like:


There might still be something going on with this. C.J Lovik is smart with Hebrew.
When someone makes a prophetic announcement and the thing does not come to pass,
The Lord has a message for us all in His word. Look from verse 20 onwards for that.

Deuteronomy 18

15 “The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16 according to all you desired of the Lord your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.’

17 “And the Lord said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. 18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.

20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’

21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

Granted that this was under the LAW, but would you want to be that prophet who spoke presumptuously in the name of the Lord even today!

There is a devil and there are evil spirits, and they always seek to turn people away from the LORD to follow false gods and to cause blasphemy and others to mock the name of God.
 

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I just saw this anonymous post today on an agnostic news forum:

I think I'm suffering from End Times Prophecy depression.
Quit my job in July.​
All I do is lay around the house. Eat, sleep in like 2 hour increments.​
I go to my buddy's on the weekends to hang out over there with his family.​
I lay around with my new puppy. (Turning close to a year old)​
I have a little money saved up. My wife is retired. But I have no ambition to do anything. It takes everything I have to mow the yard.​
I guess it's all just anticipation. For Jesus to come take us.​
See....I know we're in the last days. I believe the Trump Peace deal fulfills Daniel 9:27.​
Which means the 7 year Tribulation period.​
I'm waiting on the Rapture. Why look for a job, right. Lol​
Anyways...Is anybody else suffering from this?​
Or am I just a lunatic?​
The thing that sucks?​
My wife used to be Catholic growing up. But now she's into occult I guess you call it.​
Terrot cards. She collects them.​
Insense candles.​
All that crazy stuff.​
She hates Trump & has nothing good to say if Christians.​
I don't even try to convert her.​
I'm alone in this world besides my buddy.​
I'm the only Non vaccinated person I know, besides my daughter.​
My brother died a few years ago. He was like me.​
My best friend died in 2019 from pancreatic cancer.​
It's a lonely existence for me, man.​
I'm just waiting on Jesus to come get me outta here.​
I thought the vaccine was the motb, which was why I primarily didn't take it or the test.​
Here we are 5 years later & we're still here. Prophecy feels like it's unfolding, but no rapture.​
Tribulation should be underway with the peace treaty.​
Where are the 2 witnesses?​
I'm so confused about everything.​
My faith is strong & relentless.​
But I'm wearing down.​
I'm getting tired.​
All the evil in this world.​
I don't belong here anymore.​
Maybe I have an undiagnosed disorder, or something?​
Clinical manic depression, if that's a term?​
Something got to be going on with me.​
Am I suffering mentally, or spiritually?​
This is what false teaching produces!
 

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Thanks for you help Doug, you're the best. But it's a misunderstanding. It's not me. I was showing an example of a post from an agnostic news forum where a guy has watchman's fatigue from all the Rapture talk.

See what I put at the first line:


Then I indented the rest of his post.

Because many people are rushing the Rapture. I read of them in various comments below the YouTube videos, and now on random news forums. Sick and old and sad people. Poor people. Disabled people. It's quite depressing. Their disappointment is greater than mine.

New Information.

This one is just hours old.

One thing Joshua still can hold over our heads that we don't know is, will there be no World Cup in 2026? That one I might wager a bigger bet on.

Actually two things we might wager a bet on. Two things might still be true. Joshua said he was told by God that, "from the time Israel became a nation in 1948, there will be 77 years to the Exodus." We still have all of 2025 for that.

It looks like old C.J Lovik has been bitten by that 77 year bug. I wondered what he was thinking throughout this latest Rapture deal.

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6SpgWPr.png


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I think I have this set to start at 17:45 for the good parts, but it can be replayed from the beginning if you like:


There might still be something going on with this. C.J Lovik is smart with Hebrew.
You just will just not accept that these prophets have deceived you with lies.

The truth will set you free.
 
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You just will just not accept that these prophets have deceived you with lies.

The truth will set you free.

Did you not watch the C.J. Lovik video? We just have to let the time, and the calendars play out. If there's a World Cup in 2026, the prophet lied. If the Lord does not come for His Church before the 77 years is up since Israel became a nation in 1948, the prophet lied. That means we have until the end of 2025.

Right now, the game remains afoot old boy.

And the door is a jar.

Not that I'd want to jinx it.

No need to rush the Rapture bother.
 

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Did you not watch the C.J. Lovik video? We just have to let the time, and the calendars play out. If there's a World Cup in 2026, the prophet lied. If the Lord does not come for His Church before the 77 years is up since Israel became a nation in 1948, the prophet lied. That means we have until the end of 2025.

Right now, the game remains afoot old boy.

And the door is a jar.

Not that I'd want to jinx it.

No need to rush the Rapture bother.
Prophets don't lie, but if they do, they are called false prophets.
 

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Did you not watch the C.J. Lovik video? We just have to let the time, and the calendars play out. If there's a World Cup in 2026, the prophet lied. If the Lord does not come for His Church before the 77 years is up since Israel became a nation in 1948, the prophet lied. That means we have until the end of 2025.

Right now, the game remains afoot old boy.

And the door is a jar.

Not that I'd want to jinx it.

No need to rush the Rapture bother.
You have no idea! It is a waste of time talking to you.

More stretching of the truth. More moving the goal posts. This is a total circus. And when we get there, there will be another change. You guys are totally discredited with your refusal to repent for this deceit.
 
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You have no idea! It is a waste of time talking to you.
Did you watch the C.J Lovit video?
More stretching of the truth.
More stretching the Rapture.
More moving the goal posts.
More moving the Rapture.
And when we get there, there will be another change. You guys are totally discredited with your refusal to repent for this deceit.
When we finally get there, there will be big changes. You got that right. Did you watch the C.J. Lovic video?

This one's shorter:

 

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I'm having a Rapture hangover. Stretch out the final stretch, on the Home Stretch. We can't rush the Rapture.

I have a new idea just this morning. This theory is that Joshua was speaking the truth all along, we were right originally in trusting him. What he reported was correct, Jesus will come for His Church on the Feast of Trumpets, 77 years after Israel became a nation in 1948, Jesus will do the Exodus. I doubt at this time that Joshua would have got the idea to call the Rapture, the "Exodus". This is a part of what makes me consider this radical hypothesis.

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The idea here is that it did begin on September 23 on the Feast of Trumpets Gregorian Calendar, but that this end time final "Exodus" is a process that we are not thoroughly understanding. There was a person on a video who said he prayed and asked and was told: "are you selfish? "The Rapture is not just about you. First God has to deal with all those who sleep in the dust of the earth. Would that not mean the dead from all history? Even before Noah? Even back to Adam? We always assume God can do anything, with God all things are possible. But the Exodus, is the elephant in the room.

It could depend on how we always imagined the Rapture to be. The SDA's think Jesus began Judging the dead in 1844. I don't know that for a fact. We will not precede those who have fallen asleep, the dead in Christ rise first, then we who remain will be changed in the twinkling of an eye. But maybe the whole process doesn't happen in the twinkling of an eye. Maybe we can't get the exact timing of this whole thing from the Pauline Epistles.

Jesus was with the Children of Israel all during the time or the original Exodus, they were all under the cloud, Paul speaking to some Old Time Jews: "For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ. So it would be fitting for Jesus to use the word Exodus again, for the second great Exodus. Maybe He would also replay the same timing?

And whatever the capabilities of God, maybe He is going to do all this within the timeframes of the original Exodus for a purpose. I really don't know exactly how God does this thing, but I am aware of how important it was for Jesus to fulfill Scripture. If Joshua was correct with that word "Exodus", I did a search of the timing of the Exodus, from the trip from Goshen, to when the Children of Israel met God at Mt. Sinai. I found what looks like a helpful resource with work from Steven Rudd.

""In AD 2005, using the Bible only, Steven Rudd noticed 42 keys to decoding the Exodus Route that indicated the Red Sea crossing was at the Straits of Tiran, Mt. Sinai was in Saudi Arabia and Kadesh Barnea was at modern Petra.

Overview of the Exodus:

""In 1446 BC, the 700 km trip from Goshen (Tell el-Dab’a) to Mt. Sinai took a total of took 47 days. After travelling day and night 500 km from Goshen, Israel made the 19 km crossing of the Red Sea at the Straits of Tiran on day 25 then took 22 days to travel 200 km from the Red Sea Crossing to Mt. Sinai. Travel was easy for the 2-3 million Hebrews because there was a 20 km wide, flat coastal plain that hugged the eastern shore of the Gulf of Suez from Goshen to the Strait of Tiran, which the author calls, “The Exodus Highway”. On day 9 after leaving Goshen, they arrived at Succoth, adjacent to the turquoise mines of Serabit el-Khadim and waited for the Hebrew mining slaves to join the main group. On day 15 they reach the Straits of Tiran and pass the Egyptian Migdol watchtower stationed above the final Red Sea crossing point and on day 16 they reached the dead-end at Etham. God orders them to backtrack to the final Red Sea crossing camp beside the Migdol where God used Israel to bait Pharaoh to attack. On day 17, as Israel leaves Etham, it would take 4 hours for a passenger pigeon (cf. Eccl 10:20) to fly 400 km from the Egyptian watchtower (Migdol) back to Egypt with the message that Israel was trapped and wandering aimlessly. (If a passenger pigeon was not used, Israel travelled day and night arriving on day 7, leaving plenty of time for a message to get back to Egypt by horseback in 7 days and pharaoh to return in 7 days, maintaining a Red Sea crossing on Day 25.) For 8 days Israel camped at the Red Sea crossing point (days 17-24) while Pharaoh's army pursued them with 600 choice horse-drawn chariots (Exodus 14:6-9).​
""On day 18 Pharaoh's army easily traveled the 400 km from Goshen to the Red Sea crossing in 7 days (days 17-24), at a rate of 57 km/day with horse-drawn chariots and arrived on day 24. The Egyptians were stopped on the eastern shore of the Gulf of Suez by an angel, about 36 km short of Israel’s camp. After crossing the Red Sea at the Straits of Tiran via the natural underwater land bridge on day 25, Israel travelled 3 days (day 25-27) on “The Exodus Highway” through the Wilderness of Shur and the land of Midian, then travelled 3 more days (day 28-30) and arrived at the second Red Sea camp, then one more day to reach the wilderness of Sin. The only difficult portion of the trip was the canyons between the Wilderness of Sin through Dophkah to Alush. Amazingly Scripture notes that only during this portion of the journey, they “travelled in stages” (Ex 17:1) because the terrain was narrow and difficult. Exactly 31 days after leaving Goshen they enter the Wilderness of Sin (Nisan 15 - Iyar 15: Ex 16:1). In the Wilderness of Sin Israel camped 8 days (day 31-38) to learn about the Manna/Sabbath day cycle.​

Steven calls it the "Exodus Highway". We could be on the Exodus Highway here and now and not even know it. I'm just now counting the days from some of the Steven Rudd charts, and matching them up with the latest C.J. Lovits chart.

It might be interesting to see some ideas on it.

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47 days from September 23, 2025:

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47 Days from Goshen (Tel el-Dab'a), to Mount Sinai.

C.J. Lovit has 47 days from September 23 Feast of Trumpets, to November 7-9 2025.

+ or - 3 days.


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The Exodus Highway, 47 days to Mount Sinai.

Peaceful Sabbath.
 

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I'm having a Rapture hangover. Stretch out the final stretch, on the Home Stretch. We can't rush the Rapture.

I have a new idea just this morning. This theory is that Joshua was speaking the truth all along, we were right originally in trusting him. What he reported was correct, Jesus will come for His Church on the Feast of Trumpets, 77 years after Israel became a nation in 1948, Jesus will do the Exodus. I doubt at this time that Joshua would have got the idea to call the Rapture, the "Exodus". This is a part of what makes me consider this radical hypothesis.

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The idea here is that it did begin on September 23 on the Feast of Trumpets Gregorian Calendar, but that this end time final "Exodus" is a process that we are not thoroughly understanding. There was a person on a video who said he prayed and asked and was told: "are you selfish? "The Rapture is not just about you. First God has to deal with all those who sleep in the dust of the earth. Would that not mean the dead from all history? Even before Noah? Even back to Adam? We always assume God can do anything, with God all things are possible. But the Exodus, is the elephant in the room.

It could depend on how we always imagined the Rapture to be. The SDA's think Jesus began Judging the dead in 1844. I don't know that for a fact. We will not precede those who have fallen asleep, the dead in Christ rise first, then we who remain will be changed in the twinkling of an eye. But maybe the whole process doesn't happen in the twinkling of an eye. Maybe we can't get the exact timing of this whole thing from the Pauline Epistles.

Jesus was with the Children of Israel all during the time or the original Exodus, they were all under the cloud, Paul speaking to some Old Time Jews: "For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ. So it would be fitting for Jesus to use the word Exodus again, for the second great Exodus. Maybe He would also replay the same timing?

And whatever the capabilities of God, maybe He is going to do all this within the timeframes of the original Exodus for a purpose. I really don't know exactly how God does this thing, but I am aware of how important it was for Jesus to fulfill Scripture. If Joshua was correct with that word "Exodus", I did a search of the timing of the Exodus, from the trip from Goshen, to when the Children of Israel met God at Mt. Sinai. I found what looks like a helpful resource with work from Steven Rudd.

""In AD 2005, using the Bible only, Steven Rudd noticed 42 keys to decoding the Exodus Route that indicated the Red Sea crossing was at the Straits of Tiran, Mt. Sinai was in Saudi Arabia and Kadesh Barnea was at modern Petra.

Overview of the Exodus:

""In 1446 BC, the 700 km trip from Goshen (Tell el-Dab’a) to Mt. Sinai took a total of took 47 days. After travelling day and night 500 km from Goshen, Israel made the 19 km crossing of the Red Sea at the Straits of Tiran on day 25 then took 22 days to travel 200 km from the Red Sea Crossing to Mt. Sinai. Travel was easy for the 2-3 million Hebrews because there was a 20 km wide, flat coastal plain that hugged the eastern shore of the Gulf of Suez from Goshen to the Strait of Tiran, which the author calls, “The Exodus Highway”. On day 9 after leaving Goshen, they arrived at Succoth, adjacent to the turquoise mines of Serabit el-Khadim and waited for the Hebrew mining slaves to join the main group. On day 15 they reach the Straits of Tiran and pass the Egyptian Migdol watchtower stationed above the final Red Sea crossing point and on day 16 they reached the dead-end at Etham. God orders them to backtrack to the final Red Sea crossing camp beside the Migdol where God used Israel to bait Pharaoh to attack. On day 17, as Israel leaves Etham, it would take 4 hours for a passenger pigeon (cf. Eccl 10:20) to fly 400 km from the Egyptian watchtower (Migdol) back to Egypt with the message that Israel was trapped and wandering aimlessly. (If a passenger pigeon was not used, Israel travelled day and night arriving on day 7, leaving plenty of time for a message to get back to Egypt by horseback in 7 days and pharaoh to return in 7 days, maintaining a Red Sea crossing on Day 25.) For 8 days Israel camped at the Red Sea crossing point (days 17-24) while Pharaoh's army pursued them with 600 choice horse-drawn chariots (Exodus 14:6-9).​
""On day 18 Pharaoh's army easily traveled the 400 km from Goshen to the Red Sea crossing in 7 days (days 17-24), at a rate of 57 km/day with horse-drawn chariots and arrived on day 24. The Egyptians were stopped on the eastern shore of the Gulf of Suez by an angel, about 36 km short of Israel’s camp. After crossing the Red Sea at the Straits of Tiran via the natural underwater land bridge on day 25, Israel travelled 3 days (day 25-27) on “The Exodus Highway” through the Wilderness of Shur and the land of Midian, then travelled 3 more days (day 28-30) and arrived at the second Red Sea camp, then one more day to reach the wilderness of Sin. The only difficult portion of the trip was the canyons between the Wilderness of Sin through Dophkah to Alush. Amazingly Scripture notes that only during this portion of the journey, they “travelled in stages” (Ex 17:1) because the terrain was narrow and difficult. Exactly 31 days after leaving Goshen they enter the Wilderness of Sin (Nisan 15 - Iyar 15: Ex 16:1). In the Wilderness of Sin Israel camped 8 days (day 31-38) to learn about the Manna/Sabbath day cycle.​

Steven calls it the "Exodus Highway". We could be on the Exodus Highway here and now and not even know it. I'm just now counting the days from some of the Steven Rudd charts, and matching them up with the latest C.J. Lovits chart.

It might be interesting to see some ideas on it.
30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

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God appointed a DAY, not years, decades, nor any strangely long period of time like the exodus, when He will return, raise the dead and judge the world in righteousness.

All of this speculation is foolishness, not scriptural. Not happening now nor will it happen like you have suggested.
 

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