I tried to rush the Rapture, and I felt sick (can you do anything apart from God?)

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Dave Watchman

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God appointed a DAY, not years, decades, nor any strangely long period of time like the exodus, when He will return, raise the dead and judge the world in righteousness.

All of this speculation is foolishness, not scriptural. Not happening now nor will it happen like you have suggested.
I'm sorry Scott. The "day" which you make reference of can only happen after the saints are raised, after the Rapture, and after the 1000 years of Revelation 20 are finished. That's the final white throne judgement day. Before that happens, the Saints need to judge the world, there's billions of lost souls, billions of evil angels to be judged. Rome wasn't built in a day brother. The Saints have some say in the judgement of the dead, and they will not all be alive again until after the 1st resurrection. We will reign with Christ in this matter for a thousand years.

"Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels?​

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I'm sorry Scott. The "day" which you make reference of can only happen after the saints are raised, after the Rapture, and after the 1000 years of Revelation 20 are finished. That's the final white throne judgement day. Before that happens, the Saints need to judge the world, there's billions of lost souls, billions of evil angels to be judged. Rome wasn't built in a day brother. The Saints have some say in the judgement of the dead, and they will not all be alive again until after the 1st resurrection. We will reign with Christ in this matter for a thousand years.

"Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels?​

Peaceful Sabbath.
That DAY, happens when Christ returns to gather His people from the earth, at His coming.
When He appears to the world, every eye sees Him coming on the clouds of heaven.

That is what Paul the apostle taught and Jesus too.
All you have is your traditions. While I have the scripture.


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1 I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead [b]at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

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6 For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.
 

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@Dave Watchman, you have been wrong about many things so far that I and others have seen.
You should question your misplaced faith, as you do not obey the scriptures, you make up stories.
Let it go and believe the scriptures, not your imaginations.

Genesis 8:21
And the Lord smelled a soothing aroma. Then the Lord said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man’s sake, although the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.
 

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That DAY, happens when Christ returns to gather His people from the earth, at His coming.
That DAY, not the "last" day of salvation, but the "DAY" that the Father has fixed to judge the world, can only happen after the 1000 years are finished.
When He appears to the world, every eye sees Him coming on the clouds of heaven.
This can only happen at the end of the thousand years of Revelation 20, that's the only time in earth's history when every eye will be open again to see Him, even those who pierced Him.

Think about it hard Scott, when the Rider on the white horse comes back, He's commanding people to die with a sharp sword out of His mouth, when blood runs as high as a horses bridle and the birds gorge themselves with the flesh of kings and bond men.

Do you think it fits with logic that Jesus turns right around and brings them all back to life again for judgment day just to kill them again after the white throne judgement?

That is what Paul the apostle taught and Jesus too.
All you have is your traditions.
Could Paul read Revelation yet?
While I have the scripture.
You have the Gospels. Scripture minus Revelation. Great for Apologetics. Adequate for the Doctrines of Salvation. Like one hand tied behind your back for Eschatology. Like going to a hatchet fight, and forgetting your hatchet. Why would you do that? The phrase "forgetting your hatchet" could be interpreted metaphorically as arriving at a confrontation without the means to engage, suggesting a lack of preparedness, or an intention to avoid conflict. This interpretation aligns with the idea of resolving disputes peacefully rather than violently. The Kingdom has suffered enough violence, the kingdom of heaven is being aggressively pursued by those with fervent faith, often in the face of opposition. Up to and including removing complete Books from it's Word.

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That DAY, not the "last" day of salvation, but the "DAY" that the Father has fixed to judge the world, can only happen after the 1000 years are finished.

This can only happen at the end of the thousand years of Revelation 20, that's the only time in earth's history when every eye will be open again to see Him, even those who pierced Him.

Think about it hard Scott, when the Rider on the white horse comes back, He's commanding people to die with a sharp sword out of His mouth, when blood runs as high as a horses bridle and the birds gorge themselves with the flesh of kings and bond men.

Do you think it fits with logic that Jesus turns right around and brings them all back to life again for judgment day just to kill them again after the white throne judgement?


Could Paul read Revelation yet?

You have the Gospels. Scripture minus Revelation. Great for Apologetics. Adequate for the Doctrines of Salvation. Like one hand tied behind your back for Eschatology. Like going to a hatchet fight, and forgetting your hatchet. Why would you do that? The phrase "forgetting your hatchet" could be interpreted metaphorically as arriving at a confrontation without the means to engage, suggesting a lack of preparedness, or an intention to avoid conflict. This interpretation aligns with the idea of resolving disputes peacefully rather than violently. The Kingdom has suffered enough violence, the kingdom of heaven is being aggressively pursued by those with fervent faith, often in the face of opposition. Up to and including removing complete Books from it's Word.

Peaceful Sabbath.
Even premills teach Christ will rule on an earthly throne of David for a 1000 years.
So even in their POV, every eye will see Him coming, and reigning over the earth from Jerusalem.
Yet you say none of the world will witness that.
First time I heard a 1000 year proponent say such a thing.
You are inconsistent, and in error.

Christ returns, destroys the antichrist and the false temple, kills many people but not all unbelieving are killed, and rules and reigns 1000 years, that is what the premills believe in.
As well as they believe in breeding survivors who bear children who then rebel at the end of the 1000 years
 

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"Do you think it fits with logic that Jesus turns right around and brings them all back to life again for judgment day just to kill them again after the white throne judgement?"

All are resurrected, the wicked and the just on the Last Day.
The people of God inherit the 'new' earth, the wicked go into the lake of fire wearing their resurrected bodies..
 

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John 6:40
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Thess 4
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

John 5
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.


2 Timothy 4
I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead [b]at His appearing and His kingdom:

Resurrection of all on the Last Day, the judgment also on the Last Day, after they are raised.
 

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I agree with others who think this is a very odd thread.
I tried to rush the Rapture?
As in,hey God,hurry up, we're tired of waiting?

LHM

It's my fault. I like to agitate the Amils by posting Rapture videos. They like it. It gives them something to do. And I like the sound of rushing the Rapture. Why not? All of Creation is groaning for it.

Like opening up presents on Christmas Eve. Anticipation is making me late, is keeping me waiting.

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It's my fault. I like to agitate the Amils by posting Rapture videos. They like it. It gives them something to do. And I like the sound of rushing the Rapture. Why not? All of Creation is groaning for it.

Like opening up presents on Christmas Eve. Anticipation is making me late, is keeping me waiting.

Peaceful Sabbath.
This is not a fight over doctrine, the Lord is victorious, the victory belongs to the Lord.
This is a pointing towards what the scripture says about these things in Truth.
And the apostles were careful about doctrine, because there is a fierce enemy constantly agitating towards promoting another gospel to deceive the unwary.

Romans 8
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of [f]corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.
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Of course we eagerly wait for the redemption of our bodies, when Christ comes again
And He only comes a second time, bodily, even though He is here right now, being omnipresent.

Philippians 3, v20 points out this transformation will happen at the 2nd coming of Christ and only then.
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Our Citizenship in Heaven​

17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. 18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things.

20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,

21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.
 

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Hi there,

So I guess I am nothing, if not honest to a fault: I really and truly thought I could 'rush' the Rapture! It was just a matter of working out what the fool would believe, how he would see killing the faithful as a favor to God and imagining that the Devil would justify him. But God does not simply rescue us from danger we merely imagine! I guess I have to humble myself! In a way I am relieved, the Rapture will be a strength to those on Earth, when it comes, because God will not allow it to be taken or presumed upon by those on Earth - the will of Man has nothing to do with the spiritual state of the relationship men (believers) have with God.

You can imagine Jesus laughing at me, right? "Son, the Rapture is there to help people commit to God, " you can imagine Him saying "It is not there to force people to change their imagination about God [on its own]" Well, you got me stumped! That's what I want to say: I am that committed to the end, for me, it could be today. I don't want to be mean; people should have every opportunity to believe. Jesus could play His hand and surprise us for a moment, but what good would that do in the long run? I guess this is about learning the wisdom of the Rapture, developing a heart of compassion for those whose struggle with the Lord is unguided.

Power to God! If He keeps want to send one Rapture after another, so be it! The point is that we have a relationship to God, which is everything to us - God loves that!

I hope this has been encouraging.

God bless.

PS. And the lesson is: don't try to rush people's Rapture! You'll feel sick!
I know a mate of mine who was shaking his fist in the air and demanding that Jesus come back down here and sort it all out ! he is a Fundamentalist ?
I said what you think as nothing at all to do with God, such does not play along to Mans tune !

I said to him, All in good time, God knows best !

You can not beat God in fact ! you can try but you will always loose in the end. Gods ways are set ! as they do not move about at all !

Cry babys only make a song and dance about such. We are just to abide in Christ Jesus, period !
But this mate rejects the abiding in Jesus in fact and wants Blood ! for he feels the Pain ? for he has not grown up yet, that God does not serve Man !
 
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More Rapture video for October 23, stretch out the Rapture.

Can the Rapture be delayed by bad weather?

"such adjustments were made through the addition of a leap month (Adar II) when necessary to maintain alignment with the seasons​

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"And he said, “Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the Lord make myself known to him in a vision; I speak with him in a dream. Not so with my servant Moses. He is faithful in all my house. With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in riddles, and he beholds the form of the Lord. - Numbers 12:6-8

This woman thinks the same. The Hebrew Calendar is also based on agriculture. Because the barley harvest was delayed due to bad weather, the entire new year was offset for one full lunar cycle:

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Can the Rapture be delayed by bad weather?

Searched my AI from Brave Browser:

The Hebrew calendar is indeed deeply connected to agricultural cycles, with major festivals tied to specific harvest times such as barley and wheat harvests, the ingathering of fruits, and the seasonal rains.
The first month of the year, Nisan, was traditionally linked to the ripening of barley in the spring, which was essential for the offering of the wave sheaf (omer) on the 16th of Nisan, marking the beginning of the barley harvest.
The calendar was designed to ensure that Passover and other festivals occurred in their proper agricultural seasons, preventing them from drifting through the year due to the lunar calendar's shorter length compared to the solar year.

Historically, the timing of the new year and the declaration of leap years were influenced by agricultural conditions. Before the fixed calendar was established in the fourth century CE, the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem would assess whether the barley had ripened and whether weather conditions were suitable for travel to Jerusalem for Passover; if not, a leap year could be declared to delay the calendar and keep the festivals in their proper seasonal context.
This practice reflects the calendar’s responsiveness to agricultural realities, including the risk of delayed harvests due to bad weather.

However, the claim that a single year's barley harvest delay caused the entire new year to be offset by a full lunar cycle is not supported by the provided sources. While the calendar was adjusted based on agricultural observations, such adjustments were made through the addition of a leap month (Adar II) when necessary to maintain alignment with the seasons, not by shifting the entire year by a full lunar cycle.
The calendar’s structure ensured that the first month remained in the spring and the seventh in the fall, preserving the agricultural and religious timing of the festivals.
Therefore, while agricultural conditions influenced calendar decisions, the mechanism was not a full-cycle offset but a calculated intercalation to maintain seasonal alignment.

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I can't believe nobody updated the Rapture Thread. Would an up Date violate rushing the Rapture?

I saw this last night and it looks not bad. This one gets me going again. There's still some out there who think Joshua was telling the truth. And I find it interesting our minds might remember Joshua as quoting Jesus as saying he would return on the Feast of Trumpets, but Joshua didn't quote Jesus as saying that. Jesus never named any feast days in that alleged message.

From the video transcript:

""So in 2018, Jesus said to Joshua, "From the time Israel became a nation in 1948, there will be 77 years to the Exodus. On the 23rd and the 24th of September 2025, I will come to take my church. Then after there will be a 7-year tribulation on earth on those left behind. On the 15th of September 2032, I will return to earth as king." This is from Brother Joshua's original Cent Twins interview. For all those who are focused on the feast of trumpets for the rapture, notice that Jesus never named any feast days in this message.​

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From the video:

""I would also keep an eye out for November 1st to 2nd or Heshv 10 as the 40th day of our testing and the day Noah was told to enter the ark. If our 40 days of testing are to end on that day, then I expect that something big will happen either physically in the world or spiritually among the bride that will indicate with certainty that we have seven days left. Once we have the certainty, we will no longer be in a state of testing because we will know when Jesus is coming to get us. Instead, we will then be in a state of consecration as we wait in the doorway of the ark, preparing ourselves to be as ready as possible for when he calls us home.​
 

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""I would also keep an eye out for November 1st to 2nd or Heshv 10 as the 40th day of our testing and the day Noah was told to enter the ark. If our 40 days of testing are to end on that day, then I expect that something big will happen either physically in the world or spiritually among the bride that will indicate with certainty that we have seven days left. Once we have the certainty, we will no longer be in a state of testing because we will know when Jesus is coming to get us. Instead, we will then be in a state of consecration as we wait in the doorway of the ark, preparing ourselves to be as ready as possible for when he calls us home.
I can assure you that this is hog wash. If you are serious, why have you not given your money to a needy secular charity? I use to say to anyone who teaches something similar to your random thoughts to send your money to me, but I quickly changed that because for the last 25 years not one prognosticator has sent me his/her money. This shows that they really don't believe it.

To date, all believers and nonbelievers have failed to predict the coming (Rapture) of Christ and his Second Coming. If Christ didn't know, neither does anyone else.
 

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I use to say to anyone who teaches something similar to your random thoughts to send your money to me, but I quickly changed that because for the last 25 years not one prognosticator has sent me his/her money. This shows that they really don't believe it.

It's because they do believe it, they just think you're coming too. You won't need the money. All the money and houses and cars won't be any good to the people taken. The game will be over for the tribes of the Earth.

You might not have to go Home, but you can't stay here.

I am in fact running short of Rapture videos now. Like Mick Jagger said I need a love to keep me happy, I need a Rapture video to keep me happy. I'm looking at this one, the voice reminds me of someone, I can't remember his name. Maybe it's an AI voice that just sounds the same. Whoever this video guy is, he still has hope Old Joshua is true somehow.

I should get a T-shirt made of this:

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Sell them online. Me and Old Joshua might make out like banditos.

In the video the guy says:

"And for me, I don't think there can be any dates beyond this this point which at least one which we can have, you know, a bank of scriptural events to anchor on and uh after November, I personally can't see us being able to continue justifying the dates at least with the same methodologies which we have been unless of course the Lord drops us in super fresh manna but uh who's going to have the faith for that?​
"Personally, I know I will cuz I've been watching ever since uh before even before I heard about Joshua and uh I'm in this uh pretty much until the World Cup.​

I think I can just hear him giggle under his breath in my headphones after he says: "World Cup".

And I do too, I laugh like a nut when I do Joshua imitations on my way to the fridge, with his deadly serious face, as he says: "The will be no World Cup in 2026".

You should see me do the one: "My Words Will Not Fall To The Ground". I could be on the comedy stage. But for only we can recognize the material.

Until we finish this 77th year after Israel became a Nation, I still think Jesus has been coming somehow in a process since September 23, 2025. Until then, I suspect we are in the delay before the final fulfillment of these days:

"But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”​

In the days when he is about to sound. It has to be finished just before he sounds.


Then, “There will be no more delay!

Peaceful Sabbath.