amigo de christo
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Thus let no man choose the death and delusion of the all inclusive harlot and her cup of ecumenicism .
Why I don't believe in a pretrib rapture
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Taken
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The beauty of FREEWILL, is all will justly receive what they Freely choose.
Glory to God,
Taken
amigo de christo
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and the TRUTH IS
that all who covered a blind eye to the lost , whose faith was in some other religoin
or in themselves , AINT GONNA Like their end either .
Let us not be as cain who said AM I my brothers keeper .
Let us look out for others and point them ONLY and i do mean ONLY TO CHRIST JESUS .
interfaith is gonna grave every single one who remains under it as it will lead them to the lie .
And f riend , I L OVE the peoples , SO I warn the peoples . But yes free will is free will .
My advice
COME YE And drink of the water of life freely . COME YE ONE and COME YE ALL TO FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
Bladerunner
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Your soul and spirit is given to you by GOD in that first Breath that He gives you....It is immortal and is for all who are born of water.
Well?
Paul taught it....
It is in Scripture.
Just look at all the truths in Scripture that the Roman Catholic Church failed to discern.
Those later on who saw what was there should be ignored because it was not taught earlier?
The truth does not become truth only when someone finally understands what Scripture tells us.
The fact that Jesus was born without a sin nature was not to be better understood as to how it was possible until genetics became understood much later on. For the ovum does not pass down the defect like the male sperm does.
You think the early church could understand genetics? No, they did not. That is one reason the RCC came up with its hocus-pocus solution they call Immaculate Conception.
There was a lot to learn in the early church not understood, that later generations would finally be ready for understanding.
Taken
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Actually Taught Earlier.
Gen 5:
[24] And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
You’re welcome.
Glory to God,
Taken
Marvelloustime
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Taken
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Close…but…Uh no.
You identified… Two distinct things…
soul “AND” spirit…
Then said “it” as if soul and spirit are the same things.
Then you claim…
* The soul AND spirit CAN NOT die.
* And the soul AND spirit … seems you are saying “are exclusive things” given To …”only”??? They born of water?
Like what for instance?
What do we know now that was not known 2 thousand years ago?
Are you saying that some person of 1 or 2 hundred years ago knows more about what Jesus taught than those that were taught by Jesus Himself or those that they then taught?
It was ALWAYS understood what scripture taught.
Are you confirming that Jesus was born without the sin nature?
Was this known from the beginning of the Christian faith?
What does the ovum have anything to do with what the Angel Gabriel announced to Mary?
Was it not true because it was not understood HOW it would happen?
Is it not enough to know that Mary would be the mother
and
God would be the Father?
Luke 1:35
35 The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.
No GeneZ.
What do you think the IC is anyway?
It has nothing to do with Jesus.
I still would like to know what.
Christianity was established within the first and second centuries.
What you're speaking about is clarifying revelation.
Revelation can certainly be clarified - but NOT CHANGED.
There is no new revelation.
If this were so, Christianity would become fluid and cease to exist.
1. There is no new revelation. Jesus is the last revelation.
Hebrews 1:1-2
1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
If Jesus is not the last revelation....
then Muhammad was also correct,
Ellen White was correct,
Charles Russell was correct,
Joseph Smith was correct,
etc.
If Jesus is not the last revelation from God,,,,
then Christianity might very well be wrong and yet you call yourself a Christian.
2. We cannot ADD or subtract to the words in the bible.
We are warned about this.
Revelation 22:18
18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;
Many have done what the above prohibits...they have added or even changed the very words in the bible.
3. The foundation has been laid. No new foundations are allowed according to the word of God.
Ephesians 2:19-20
19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household,
20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,
4. Modern claims often OPPOSE scripture.
God does not contradict Himself.
I've often stated that some modern day teachings create conflict in scripture.
If there is conflict in scripture - what are we to believe? Which truth?
The NT would cease to be effective and would become useless.
You seem to believe that we're much smarter today...
so why is there still war?
Why is there still murder?
Why do we still insult other persons?
Nothing has changed except that we know a bit more and we have some technology.
This does not make the bible irrelevant.
God is the Father of Jesus - no matter HOW you wish to explain it.
It is STILL TRUTH.
Taken
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“THE future” Rapture is a specific Time; specific individuals.
“THE future” Resurrection(S) are a specific Time; specific individuals.
However… History Reveals…(Ancient and Historical)…
* God “snatching, quickly taking men off the Earth… HAS Occurred.
* Raising of the dead… Resurrections HAVE Occurred.
Rapture.. by definition means “taking quickly”.
WHO… is doing the Taking?
WHAT… is being Taken?
WHEN…?
WHY…?
Can you answer?
Scriptural Lessons Reveal the knowledge of the answers.
Glory to God,
Taken
amigo de christo
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The rapture sure is real and its a coming . In a day and in an hour known to no man
The door will shut and all outside shall wail . The sheep shall go to be WITH THE KING who has saved them .
The dead in Christ shall rise and we who are still alive shall be caught up TOGETHER with them .
BUT WOE wail the world for the WRATH OF GOD and of the LAMB shall be laid upon them all .
SO let no man sit in any church who is pro ecumencial . TIME to preach JESUS , while there still be TIME to do so .
Taken
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And For THEIY “IN Christ”… already “accounted” Delivered… from this world and the wrath to come.
Col.1
[13] Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
1Thes.1
[10] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
Glory to God,
Taken
Well Taken, unfortunately for Christianity,,,
terms have changed apparently.
Rapture, in its true sense means exactly what YOU are describing.
Agreed 100%.
HOWEVER, in today's terms, this is no longer what is meant by it.
What is meant by it is the brand new teaching, which I HAVE posted and will be happy to do again here,
is that AT SOME POINT IN TIME all believers will be raptured from the face of the earth and taken to be with God.
THEN
The apocalypse happens when there will be such tribulation as has never been seen before.
The reason for the "rapture" is so that the people of God will not have to endure the tribulation...
they will be spared this horrible time. Those LEFT BEHIND will be made to endure this tribulation.
I hear some say that Jesus will return and take these believers away with Him.
Then He'll have to come back at the end of the world for the true resurrection time.
This means Jesus will be coming back a second and third time....two more times instead of one.
The rapture is a new teaching. You MAY have surmised (correctly) by now that I don't believe in new
teachings. Up above is a post of mine stating why; no. 290.
The rapture is a new teaching:
The modern concept of the Rapture was introduced to Christianity around the 1830s by British evangelist John Nelson Darby, who developed it from a vision by a Scottish woman named Margaret MacDonald. The doctrine was then popularized through its inclusion in influential study Bibles, such as the Scofield Reference Bible.
- Origin in 1830:
The idea originated from a vision by Margaret MacDonald in Scotland, which described a "two-stage return of Jesus".
The idea of a rapture as it is defined in dispensational premillennialism is not found in historic Christianity and is a relatively recent doctrine originating from the 1830s. The term is used frequently among fundamentalist theologians in the United States.[2] The origin of the term extends from the First Epistle to the Thessalonians in the Bible, which uses the Greek word harpazo (Ancient Greek: ἁρπάζω), meaning "to snatch away" or "to seize".
source: Wikipedia
amigo de christo
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Lets read acts chapter twenty six . take close heed to what paul tells this king agrippa
that JESUS had told him .
You read that over and over and o ver again
THEN ye shall know and shall understand WHY i warn like a mad dog about this ecumenical interfaith .
WE DONT ALL SERVE THE SAME GOD , AND WE DARN SURE aint coming to HIM IN DIFFERENT ways taken .
THEY LIE the LIE of ANTICHRIST unto this people and NAR is also their right hand man .
WE are being Decieved taken . And the time is and high time it is for all to come out of any such place
and from any such people who do this work of the ecumenicism . Read again acts chapter twenty and six .
FOR JESUS WILL NOT BE DENIED and we cannot be a co helper too , a support of , ANY such group .
I sure hope that helps my freind . cause aint no jew or gentile that can be SET FR EE FROM THE POWER
of darkness and of satan , LEST THEY DO COME TO FAITH IN JESUS WHO SETS THEM FREE . you keep that IN MIND .
amigo de christo
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Paul was accounted . and yet HE still spoke of this rapture as though it were future .
THEN WE who are alive SHALL BE .
This event of the great rapture IS STILL FUTURE and has NOT YET OCCURRED .
BUT for those accounted , who are HIS , OH ONE DAY IT SURELY WILL as the LORD COMES FOR HIS OWN .
keep that in mind .
Taken
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Not a new teaching, but Distorted, calling it A Rapture.
Rapture Significance… pertains exclusively to THoSE “IN Christ”… Saved, by Christ the Lord… before their “physical” mortal death…They “experiencing a “spiritual Bodily Death…Willingly Being Crucified WITH Jesus’ Body…. (As the New Better Testament, offers and provides to Freely willing persons).
BEFORE… the New Better Testament (see:
Heb 7:22), Salvation was EFFECTED by God, AFTER the individual BELIEVED, In his Heart, IN God, IN Gods Word (name unknown), while that individual was mortally ALIVE…
And “IF” that Individual mortal physically Died “believing IN God and His Word…”
Then After that individuals Death God would Save that individuals soul…
***THAT ^ has NOT Changed***
That is Not a Rapture…that is Soul Salvation.
Their Body is Risen during the First Resurrection.
Christ Jesus’ New Better Offering is His Salvation Before physical Death AND, escape, Deliverance From Tribulations and Wrath to be sent down from heaven.
The Rapture … the WHOLE of the man…
Body, Soul, Spirit…being…Risen up
Body; glorified..
Soul; restored, back to good..
Spirit; receiving and being born of Gods Seed.
And Forever WITH the Lord, where-ever He is… so also Shall those in Christ be…even on His Return To Earth.
Yes.. Tribulations sent down from Heaven, Shall increase in severity…
Yes… some SHALL become Saved “by God” during the Trib… God shall “bring those with Him… ie rise their soul to Heaven.”
1 Thes 4:14
Yes… As with Christ Jesus… the Salvation offering DOOR Shall close…
So also with God, In the Third “segment of Tribulations sent down from heaven…
1st… 7 seals judgements
2nd…7 trumps judgements
3rd…7 bowls judgements
Glory to God,
Taken
When is the second resurrection?
As I've said many times,,,I don't know much about eschatology...
7 seals and all that.
I agree with some of what you've said IF I've understood it correctly.
However, I do NOT believe there is a TRIBULATION, at which time SOME may be taken away and unbelievers left.
There will be a final tribulation -
but no rapture as is understood today.
Beyond this, I have nothing more to add.
Jesus came one time.
He'll be coming back a second time, at the end of the world.
At this time there will be a great rapture of those still living.
But at the end of the world.
Taken
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Not to be rude…but it is not of much interest to me to consider unlearned persons Beliefs regarding Scripture.
God bless you.
Glory to God,
Taken
Taken
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