Is it possible to lose salvation?

[RomeSweetHome]

Well if one follows Roman Catholic teaching they are a Romanist. If you feel it a slur, maybe you should get a little thicker sin.

"Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless." James 1:26. I said that not for my sake but for yours.

and the John 19 passage:

25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

There are four people mentioned here. Mary, Mary's sister Salome, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdeline. I am always amazed that way way too many people who name the name of Jesus, toss out the simple rules of grammar to try to defend an undefensible hypothesis.

Interesting. Debatable, I suppose. But since you think your position is elementary grammar, let's consider the grammar:

εἱστήκεισαν δὲ παρὰ τῷ σταυρῷ τοῦ Ἰησοῦ ἡ μήτηρ αὐτοῦ καὶ ἡ ἀδελφὴ τῆς μητρὸς αὐτοῦ Μαρία ἡ τοῦ Κλωπᾶ καὶ Μαρία ἡ Μαγδαληνή

Thats the text of John 19:25. Notice that the author uses "kai" - "and" - twice, once before introducing a new woman in the list. Notice that there is no "kai" between the second woman named ("the sister of his mother") and the reference to "Mary the [wife] of Klopas." Most likely the author is using "kai" in this list the way we would use commas in lists today, and he is identifying three people; Jesus's mother, the sister of Jesus's mother (i.e., Mary the wife of Klopas), and Mary Magdalene. Even James Strong (yes, that James Strong of Protestant-beloved concordance fame) recognizes the grammatical force of this reading and agrees that the author was only speaking of three people here. (McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia) And the ESV, a Protestant translation supposedly among the most faithful to the text (I am told by Reformed Protestants in particular, anyway), adopts this view by recognizing that "Mary the wife of Clopas" is a postpositive adjective phrase modifying "sister": "standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene."

So who is violating the "simple rules of grammar" here? I too am amazed about the lengths people who name the name of Jesus will go to avoid the teaching of Scripture as understood and handed down through what Paul called the "pillar and bulwark of the truth," i.e., what the Nicene Creed would later refer to as the one holy catholic and apostolic Church.

 

[RomeSweetHome]

And as I told Bread of Life over and over again, when the OT books were translated from Hebrew to Greek or written in Greek, the terms for near relatives (syngenes and synpsis) were not in Koine Greek, they came later. So the 70 used the best word available at the time which was adelphos or adelphi! For the NT it was vastly different for even Elizabeth was referred to as Mary's cousin in Luke 1:26 and in Luke 1:58 cousins is used and it is syngenes!

Sorry but those are the simple facts and they cannot be altered!

This misses the point.

Here's the Greek text of Tobit 7:1-4, part of the LXX:

ΚΑΙ ἦλθον εἰς ᾿Εκβάτανα καὶ παρεγένοντο εἰς τὴν οἰκίαν Ῥαγουήλ, Σάρρα δὲ ὑπήντησεν αὐτοῖς καὶ ἐχαιρέτισεν αὐτοὺς καὶ αὐτοὶ αὐτήν, καὶ εἰσήγαγεν αὐτοὺς εἰς τὴν οἰκίαν. 2 καὶ εἶπε Ῥαγουὴλ ῎Εδνᾳ τῇ γυναικὶ αὐτοῦ· ὡς ὅμοιος ὁ νεανίσκος Τωβὶτ τῷ ἀνεψιῷ μου; 3 καὶ ἠρώτησεν αὐτούς Ῥαγουήλ· πόθεν ἐστέ, ἀδελφοί; καὶ εἶπαν αὐτῷ· ἐκ τῶν υἱῶν Νεφθαλὶμ τῶν αἰχμαλώτων ἐκ Νινευῆ. 4 καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς· γινώσκετε Τωβὶτ τὸν ἀδελφὸν ἡμῶν; οἱ δὲ εἶπον· γινώσκομεν. καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς· ὑγιαίνει;

Verse 2 refers to Tobit "my cousin" (ἀνεψιῷ) (see Strong's Greek: 431. ἀνεψιός (anepsios) -- Cousin ) then verse 4 refers to Tobit "our brother" (ἀδελφὸν).

So I ask again--where are you getting this idea that the LXX translators didn't have a word for cousin they could've used?

 

[RomeSweetHome]

If you are talking about teh apocrypha and deuterocanonical books, they were an insert between teh testaments for a long time and known as the pseudopigrapha or other writings

Hang on, now. I gave you historical data contradicting your claim that the "apocrypha" were not considered Scripture until Trent. You replied with a bald assertion. Argue in good faith, please, and back up your historical claims with facts, not assertions.

 

[RomeSweetHome]

Not at all.

God used men to write, but the words are His. He used men to choose the books, but the choice was still His!

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Psalm 119:105
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

From maans perspective it seems hard, but when one learns to walk with god, it is easy to see!

This doesn't respond to the point. No argument here that God used men to choose the books that would constitute Scripture. The issue is, which books?

As a Catholic, that's easy for me to answer - the books the Church identified, which it has the authority to decide, authority given to it by God.

As a Protestant who adheres to "sola" Scriptura, you have to rely on the text itself to tell you which books. But nowhere does the text give you a full list of the books that qualify as Scripture. You have to rely on some extrinsic authority to resolve that point. So "sola Scriptura" collapses in on itself. Again, it is a logical contradiction.

And to the extent your answer is "God decided" the 66 books, that's a non-answer. We say the same thing - "God decided" the 73 books. The issue is not that God decided - it's how to discern what God decided (and who gets to decide *that* question).

 

[KUWN]

This doesn't respond to the point. No argument here that God used men to choose the books that would constitute Scripture. The issue is, which books?

As a Catholic, that's easy for me to answer - the books the Church identified, which it has the authority to decide, authority given to it by God.

As a Protestant who adheres to "sola" Scriptura, you have to rely on the text itself to tell you which books. But nowhere does the text give you a full list of the books that qualify as Scripture. You have to rely on some extrinsic authority to resolve that point. So "sola Scriptura" collapses in on itself. Again, it is a logical contradiction.

And to the extent your answer is "God decided" the 66 books, that's a non-answer. We say the same thing - "God decided" the 73 books. The issue is not that God decided - it's how to discern what God decided (and who gets to decide *that* question).

See Dr. Michael Kruger on the Canon Revisited. You would be surprise how much evidence there is for each book.

The apostles chose the books that were sacred. 22 of the 27 books were accepted as those the apostles authorized in the first century. Then, the remaining books were put to the test to make sure they were canonical. The books are self-authenticating. For example, the development of the canonical law was in the first century. The books that were being passed around where those that the apostles authorized. To be canonical, the 27 books had to be written by an apostle or one of their associates. (Like the Gospel of Mark was written by Mark as Peter dictated to him the words. the Gospel of Mark would be better named the Gospel of Peter)

Most of the NT books were never challenged due to the evidence of inspiration. No book was accepted unless it was written in the first century. The selection of the books was time-consuming but not very difficult. No book (of the 5 remaining books) was allowed to be part of the NT without wide spread approval from those men that were part of an entourage of the apostles. Because these men were spread out throughout the empire, the canonization of these 5 books took years and years.

There are tons of books out on the subject of the canon of the NT. For the most part, there isn't much dispute about the 27 books, until the second when the Gnostics came along. But they were second century, so their books and canon were rejected since they were not authorized by the men who knew the apostles or their associates.

 

[Christian Soldier]

As I can see, you have no understanding of scripture.
You're even unable to understand what I post to you...
which is why it's so difficult to post to you.

You could read my posts to you again and see if you can understand what is being said
and then maybe reply back.

Your above post is not going to get a response because you put words into my mouth that I've not said and do not reply to my points.

If your theology was in line with what the Bible says, then I would understand what you posted. But sadly your posts don't make any sense, because they are all based on your own private interpretations and understanding.

Now let's see what God's Word has to say about your wisdom and understanding. >>>

James 3:15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic.

Bingo, there you have it. Mans wisdom doesn't come from above and it is Demonic.

Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths.

Now lets see what Gods Word has to say about the man who trusts in his Priest, Minister, Bishop, Pope or any other man. I can see, someone has taught you an unbiblical version of the gospel, so I believe this verse is speaking about people like you.

Jeremiah 17:5 "Cursed is the man who trusts in man, And makes flesh his strength, Whose heart departs from the Lord".

 

[Christian Soldier]

Yes sir.
Calvinists believe that only THEY are saved
and
because of their doctrine.

Which puts Calvinists in a really bad position because if they are WRONG....
it means, according to YOU,,,that they're all going to hell.

Great theology CS.

It shows how God is:
UNLOVING
UNMERCIFUL
UNJUST

Just great.

No further comment.
For now.

Can you please show why God is "UNLOVING", UNMERCIFUL", UNJUST", for choosing to save a remnant for Himself and leave the rest dead and condemned in their sin.

Calvinists are only wrong if God is a liar, but if He is speaking the truth, then it puts you in a really bad position. So according to you, all "non Calvinists are going to hell".

I have showed you the verses which clearly say that God chose His elect before He created the earth. But you don't believe what God has said and there in lies your problem with God.
You have no problem with me, because I have never ever offered my opinion on anything to you or anyone else. I only ever refer to what God has said and you hate it.

 

[Christian Soldier]

BTW,,,,the other member you speak of is 100% correct.
You should try to figure out why only Calvinists interpret scripture the way they do
and no other denomination does.
Interesting fact.

Yes it is a fact that Jesus said that the road that leads to hell is wide and many (denominations) are on it. But the path to heaven is narrow and only a few (Calvinists) are on it.

See how that works, you have placed your trust in men who teach the Doctrine of Demons and they have deceived the vast majority of those who think they are Christians.

You always reject what God has said and you always believe the opposite which is (what the enemy teaches). Jesus says the majority are damned, but you say "no Jesus, the majority are smarter" and they will overpower God and force their way into heaven because they are great in number. Quite sad really

 

[Christian Soldier]

God is not a Calvinist.
Jesus is not a Calvinist
Paul is not a Calvinist
The Bible does not teach Calvinism.

Real Christians lead people to CHRIST

Deceived Calvinists, lead people to John CALVIN's Theology.

Now i have 2 questions for you. @Christian Soldier

You have been taught the lie of Hyper-Calvinism........and that is....."God predestines some for heaven, which means God predestined some for Hell".

This means that some in YOUR FAMILY are "predestined for Hell", according to what YOU Believe @Christian Soldier

1.) So, who are they in your family, that God predestined for Hell. ?? Mother, Father, Siblings, Grandmother?... Who???

2.) Why did God predestine some of your family members for Hell, while He predestined you for heaven.. you believe?

God is not an Arminian
Jesus is not an Arminian
Paul is not an Arminian
The Bible does not teach Arminianism

Arminians are not real Christians, they lead people to Satan.

Deceived Arminians lead people to Jacob Arminious' Theology

You have been taught the Satanic lie of Arminianism, and that is that God is powerless to save His people, so His people must save themselves by keeping every single law. If they break a single law, they will be cast into hell. That theology comes from the pits of hell.

This means that your entire family is going to hell.

Your last question is foolish in the extreme. It shows that you don't know anything about God.

If you knew anything about God and man, you question would ask "Why did God chose to save some, why doesn't He cast everyone into the lake of fire, because that's what we all deserve. But no, you twist it backwards and accuse God of being a monster, it shows you have no fear of God at all.

 

[Christian Soldier]

The contextual framework for Romans 9 is about election for purpose not election for salvation.


‘What was the purpose of the election?

For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen. Romans 9:3-5

• of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came

The purpose for which God chose the children of Israel was to be the generational bloodline of the Messiah.

That is why they are called “the elect”.


They were elected to be the people from which the Messiah, Jesus Christ came.


(for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls). Romans 9:11



Do you hate your father and mother?

Do you hate your children?


In Jewish thought hate doesn’t necessarily mean what it does in English.


“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. Luke 14:26


It’s about preference of one over the other.


God did not hate Esau, in the sense of wanting to see him destroyed, but God preferred Jacob for the lineage of Christ.


God actually blessed Esau greatly and gave him and his descendants a land Just as He did for the children of Israel (Jacob). The Lord drove out the inhabits of the land He gave to Esau which shows that He loved and blessed Esau.


The Horites formerly dwelt in Seir, but the descendants of Esau dispossessed them and destroyed them from before them, and dwelt in their place, just as Israel did to the land of their possession which the LORD gave them.) Deuteronomy 2:12


(That was also regarded as a land of giants; giants formerly dwelt there. But the Ammonites call them Zamzummim, a people as great and numerous and tall as the Anakim. But the LORD destroyed them before them, and they dispossessed them and dwelt in their place, just as He had done for the descendants of Esau, who dwelt in Seir, when He destroyed the Horites from before them. They dispossessed them and dwelt in their place, even to this day. Deuteronomy 2:20-22



The children of Israel are the elect; elected for purpose not elected for salvation.



Salvation is for those who choose to honor and obey the Lord.



And if it seems evil to you to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”
Joshua 24:15

I don't agree with your interpretation of Romans 9 and I believe that election is for the purpose of salvation.

The Bible doesn't support the idea that Gods "chosen people" are defined by their ethnicity or bloodline. We see Gods killing thousands of Israelites in the desert.

In He killed around 3,000 at once after they idolised the "golden calf".

In Numbers 25:9 we find 24 thousand dying after sexual immorality with the Moabite women.

In Numbers 16:49 the Bible states that 14,700 died from a plague

If National Israel, is Gods elect, (as I believe you're suggesting). Then why would God kill so many thousands of His elect. That idea doesn't line up with all of the other references to "Gods elect". All of the other references describe the elect as having Gods favour, love and blessings.

The purpose of election, was for God to save a remnant of people for His own glory. He would have been perfectly justified to cast all of mankind into hell, but thank God He chose to save some.

Paul was expressing his grief over his fellow Jews who were his countrymen according to the flesh (ethnicity). But as we find in many scriptures, "the Israel of God" is the Church or Body of Christ, in which there are no Jews (Israelites), no Gentiles, no man or woman. The Israel of God is made up by people from every tribe and togue, from the four corners of the world.

As we see in Romans 9:10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

We see two brothers in the womb, God loves one and hates the other. I can't see a way around the awful truth of the matter, God is speaking in plain language, confirming the doctrine of election to salvation.

The oracles of God were given to Israel and God chose to show Israel His favour, but that doesn't mean that they are saved because they are blood relatives of the Lord Jesus.

Jesus said, "I came to My own and they rejected Me". He also identified the religious Pharisees "Children of the Devil". They were very devout Israeli Jews, but Jesus exposed them.

I can't accept the idea that the elect were elected because Jesus would come from their bloodline, because there are plenty of scriptures which confirm that the elect come from every single ethic group.

 

[ProDeo]

There are tons of books out on the subject of the canon of the NT. For the most part, there isn't much dispute about the 27 books, until the second when the Gnostics came along. But they were second century, so their books and canon were rejected since they were not authorized by the men who knew the apostles or their associates.

When was Revelation authorized?

I doubt it was in the first century.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

How can you LOSE eternal life?
How can you LOSE the promise you will never perish
How can you LOSE the idea that you will never hunger or thirst. and be assured Gods promise he will raise you on the last day
How can you LOSE the fact you who were dead are made alive. Not by works of righteousness which you do. But By Gods Mercy
How do you Lose the seal of the spirit. Gods seal placed upon you until the day of redemption (resurrections day)
How can you Lose the fact you have been adopted into Gods family. does he just kick you out on the streets and say do not come back?

more importantly., The wage of sin is death, How can you add any work, or works to make up for one sin. And finally Gods requirement is perfection. If you can not meet Gods standard at any time. How can you fall back below it to lose salvation.

I think the path is narrow because many feel called,but few are His Chosen.

As such and in that our faith and Salvation are God's gifts of grace, not of ourselves,our own doing, I do not believe we can lose Salvation.
Jesus tells us,of all that the father gives him he shall lose none. We will never fall from his hand.

I believe it. Because Jesus said so and died to seal this eternal covenant of eternal life.

 

[ProDeo]

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation.

1. And how do you know you are chosen by God from the beginning? Did the good Lord told you personally?

2. And how did Paul know that all the people he addressed in his letter were chosen by God from the beginning? Impossible for Paul to know the mind of God.

Predestination and its variants, like "chosen from the beginning", are to be understood as the foreknowledge of God. He knew you before you were born, He knows your outcome, He knows your thoughts of tomorrow, next month, next year, you don't.

Ps 139:1 O LORD, you have searched me and known me!
Ps 139:2 You know when I sit down and when I rise up; you discern my thoughts from afar.
Ps 139:3 You search out my path and my lying down and are acquainted with all my ways.
Ps 139:4 Even before a word is on my tongue, behold, O LORD, you know it altogether.
Ps 139:5 You hem me in, behind and before, and lay your hand upon me.
Ps 139:6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high; I cannot attain it.
Ps 139:7 Where shall I go from your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from your presence?

God's foreknowledge.

 

[ProDeo]

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And surely religious nuts would have murdered Him. But the Father would resurrect Him anyway. And all the evidence, His teachings, the miracles would be on YouTube. But then the conspiracy theorist will come and debunk the miracles as fake.

 

[KUWN]

When was Revelation authorized?

I doubt it was in the first century.

It was written either 95 or 96 AD. It was one of the canonical books that was written in the first century but finally accepted later on. But all NT books were written in the first century. It was written by the Apostle John and he would have let his entourage know it was authorized for the canon. But because of its strange style and contents, it took awhile for it to be accepted by some Christians. Its agreement with the OT book Daniel is remarkable and that finally won it over. You have to understand that putting a book into the Canon is serious business and very time-consuming. It had to be copied over and over again from the original, and then the contents had to demonstrate that it was written by an apostle, and John's followers would testify to what John wrote.

I am drawing a blank right now but there is good evidence that John used an amanuensis. It was something like Popher...

 

[JLB]

God is not an Arminian
Jesus is not an Arminian
Paul is not an Arminian
The Bible does not teach Arminianism

Also

I am not an Arminian


I m a Christian; a follower of Christ and His teachings.


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

 

[amigo de christo]

Read it already.
So we do the parables of Jesus.
So we do the Good Samaritan.
We can only hope that somethings sticks and that they'll realize it when they get older.

Part of the problem is that there's no support from family and the culture we live in.

The OP is speaking abut something very specific here.
From the post of a member just a few minutes ago,,,I see that, like all threads, it will be going awry.

many cultures have not and did not support true Biblical christanity . That is not the problem .
However there can be a problem when families who claim to Beleive on CHRIST
raise their children up under the infleunce of another jesus that they serve for many do not KNOW
the TRUE JESUS . In other words
In many , but not all , christain families THEY themselves never truly learned Christ
and raise their kids up under that jesus . They wont also correct children
but rather let the child rule the roost . Again another problem .
For a child left to his own will be a rotted seed indeed . The child , as you probably already know ,
DOES NOT Know what is best for it . Yet look at t odays society .
IF lil jack think he a jill , they say OH the child knows
or if lil Eve think she is steve , they say oh the child knows .
TO the trenches my friend , the hour is late and the delusion of all out reprobation has grown great .

 

[GodsGrace]

many cultures have not and did not support true Biblical christanity . That is not the problem .
However there can be a problem when families who claim to Beleive on CHRIST
raise their children up under the infleunce of another jesus that they serve for many do not KNOW
the TRUE JESUS . In other words
In many , but not all , christain families THEY themselves never truly learned Christ
and raise their kids up under that jesus . They wont also correct children
but rather let the child rule the roost . Again another problem .
For a child left to his own will be a rotted seed indeed . The child , as you probably already know ,
DOES NOT Know what is best for it . Yet look at t odays society .
IF lil jack think he a jill , they say OH the child knows
or if lil Eve think she is steve , they say oh the child knows .
TO the trenches my friend , the hour is late and the delusion of all out reprobation has grown great .

The problem is that the children are NOT raised in ANY kind of Christian home.
Atheism is taught in the home, in school and in culture.

 

[Christian Soldier]

1. And how do you know you are chosen by God from the beginning? Did the good Lord told you personally?

2. And how did Paul know that all the people he addressed in his letter were chosen by God from the beginning? Impossible for Paul to know the mind of God.

Predestination and its variants, like "chosen from the beginning", are to be understood as the foreknowledge of God. He knew you before you were born, He knows your outcome, He knows your thoughts of tomorrow, next month, next year, you don't.

Ps 139:1 O LORD, you have searched me and known me!
Ps 139:2 You know when I sit down and when I rise up; you discern my thoughts from afar.
Ps 139:3 You search out my path and my lying down and are acquainted with all my ways.
Ps 139:4 Even before a word is on my tongue, behold, O LORD, you know it altogether.
Ps 139:5 You hem me in, behind and before, and lay your hand upon me.
Ps 139:6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high; I cannot attain it.
Ps 139:7 Where shall I go from your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from your presence?

God's foreknowledge.

God has not spoken to any man for the past 2000 years, you know that already so why would you ask if God told me personally.

You know that the Bible is all we have to teach us about God, so all we know about God is what He revealed in the Bible. There is only one gospel message, and every saved person in the past 2000 years was saved by the same old gospel message.

The names of every single one of Gods elect, were written in Gods book of life, before time began. Before the world was created, and no more names were ever added and no new names will ever be added. So if your name was not written in Gods Book of life, before time began, then it's impossible for you to be saved.

The reason I know that my name is in His book is because I have have been quickened to life, out of my "dead in sin state". Everyone who has been born again, knows they are saved. You can't miss such a life changing event, I can't show you the truth if you are still blind to the truth (if you are still dead in your sin).

In any case, only God and the saved person know they are truly saved saved. Others may see all the evidence that you are saved, but they can't be 100% sure because there are many false Christians, who claim they have been born again, but they have never been inwardly converted. Some of them are Church Leaders and nobody in their Church knows they are wolves in sheep's clothing.

Nobody knows why God chose to save some and leave others in their condemned dead state. God can do whatever He wants with His creation and nobody can ask Him, why He does what He does.

Don't waste your time trying to get your head around Gods ways, as they are infinitely higher than ours and they are past finding out. In other words, we don't have the capacity to understand God. He is a mystery.

There's no way to describe God, words fail and all other fail. So it wise, not to attempt the impossible.

 

[GodsGrace]

God has not spoken to any man for the past 2000 years, you know that already so why would you ask if God told me personally.

Apparently God HAS spoken to those that teach Calvinism...like John Calvin for example...
because they teach a DIFFERENT gospel.
Which we are warned against.

Galatians 1:7-8
7 which is really not another; only * there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

You know that the Bible is all we have to teach us about God, so all we know about God is what He revealed in the Bible. There is only one gospel message,

Please explain what the gospel message is in reformed theology.

and every saved person in the past 2000 years was saved by the same old gospel message.

The names of every single one of Gods elect, were written in Gods book of life, before time began. Before the world was created, and no more names were ever added and no new names will ever be added. So if your name was not written in Gods Book of life, before time began, then it's impossible for you to be saved.

The reason I know that my name is in His book is because I have have been quickened to life, out of my "dead in sin state". Everyone who has been born again, knows they are saved. You can't miss such a life changing event, I can't show you the truth if you are still blind to the truth (if you are still dead in your sin).

Unfortunately, depending on our FEELING is NOT how we can know that we are saved.
Going to AAA can be a life changing even, but it will not save your soul.


The NT teaches us HOW we can know that we are saved.
John 3:16
16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.


John 3:36
36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

In any case, only God and the saved person know they are truly saved saved. Others may see all the evidence that you are saved, but they can't be 100% sure because there are many false Christians, who claim they have been born again, but they have never been inwardly converted. Some of them are Church Leaders and nobody in their Church knows they are wolves in sheep's clothing.

Nobody knows why God chose to save some and leave others in their condemned dead state. God can do whatever He wants with His creation and nobody can ask Him, why He does what He does.

Correct. In reformed theology God cannot be known.
And yet Jesus stated that He is the image of God....

John 10:30
30 "I and the Father are one."

John 14:9
9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long * with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father;

Don't waste your time trying to get your head around Gods ways, as they are infinitely higher than ours and they are past finding out. In other words, we don't have the capacity to understand God. He is a mystery.

There's no way to describe God, words fail and all other fail. So it wise, not to attempt the impossible.

If you're right, I suppose there's no reason for the NT since none of it teaches us about God.

Maybe Jesus didn't mean it when He stated:

John 12:48-50
48 "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.
49 "For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.
50 "I know that His commandment is eternal life; therefore the things I speak, I speak just as the Father has told Me."