Jesus is the Son of his God

[Muna]

I think when we are told the word was in the beginning it is saying God was before anything that is created by and through him.
When the passage says the word was with God and the word was God, we are being told God is as He said. The Alpha and the Omega.The beginning and the end.

When we learn Jesus was the word made flesh and He was with Jim in the beginning it is simply reiterating Jesus was God.
Jesus being with God in the beginning then makes sense as God who would become Jesus was in the beginning. And would later become God in flesh.

Jesus coming in God's name is referring to the name,Emmanuel. That name is God with us.

When Jesus preached to the masses he spoke in third person because to his listeners he was a man preaching God's words.
The people would relate to yet another Rabbi giving God's instruction.

Whereas had Jesus preached in first person it would have been construed as blasphemy.
When Jesus said he prayed to his God and their God again,they were in understanding of a Rabbi relating to them as an equal and all the while instructing them as God.

John 17:21 is Jesus reiterating His divinity.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

Is Jesus again identifying as God incarnate.God made himself,created himself, to be flesh. He was the word on earth.


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.


By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host.

For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

I agree with all the scriptures you posted I actually like they way you put this
Jesus coming in God's name is referring to the name, Emmanuel. That name is God with us.

I know some use the I and the Father are one to mean I and the Father are one and the same (as they were showing it at the time) while ignoring the fact that Jesus prayer was that they too would be one even as we (I and the Father) are one (which was obviously did not mean he was making them God, or equal with God) in respects to how that was being understood at the time.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

I agree with all the scriptures you posted I actually like they way you put this
Jesus coming in God's name is referring to the name, Emmanuel. That name is God with us.

I know some use the I and the Father are one to mean I and the Father are one and the same (as they were showing it at the time) while ignoring the fact that Jesus prayer was that they too would be one even as we (I and the Father) are one (which was obviously did not mean he was making them God, or equal with God) in respects to how that was being understood at the time.

And it was true. As Paul writes, we are all one in Christ.We are reconciled to God.

Jesus and God are one. When you saw Jesus you saw God.
Our being indwelt by God is in a very real sense the power of Salvation in God with(in) us.

 

[Muna]

And it was true. As Paul writes, we are all one in Christ.We are reconciled to God.

Jesus and God are one. When you saw Jesus you saw God.
Our being indwelt by God is in a very real sense the power of Salvation in God with(in) us.

I do not disagree with you there. And you know I think these sorts of things need to be thought carefully on, and not entered into with some of this heavy debate we can typically get into, because I think it can be difficult to wrap you head around certain things, and where some parts can be clear (and you know you got those) there might be these other parts over (not quite sure yet). Which is just how things go for me to be quite honest, which is all good. I sure love it when things just begin to make greater sense. There is a mystery of the fellowship between them, and thats the thing I love to dig into.

I do that alone (more than on boards) because folks can get REALLY touchy about that

 

[Muna]

I think I am done with this thread, Tag me if I am absolutely needed

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Jesus was a Jew.


People believe many things.


I can’t imagine a Christian not believing Jews was a Jew.


Even though he was born of a virgin, according to Isaiah…


Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14

Matthias insists Jesus was a Jewish monotheist. He worshipped his God. Which is to hold the position Jesus was not divine. That he was a Jewish man.
When in truth those who know Jesus was God incarnate, Matthias pov is insisting Jesus worshipped himself.

Jesus was born of a virgin but he was not born in sin or with a sin nature.

Topical Bible: The Question of the Messiah's Lineage

 

[JustMe]

Matthias insists Jesus was a Jewish monotheist. He worshipped his God. Which is to hold the position Jesus was not divine. That he was a Jewish man.
When in truth those who know Jesus was God incarnate, Matthias pov is insisting Jesus worshipped himself.

Jesus was born of a virgin but he was not born in sin or with a sin nature.

Topical Bible: The Question of the Messiah's Lineage

Referring to Jesus as at least a 'Jew,' Judahite, or Judean monotheist is accurate if one bases it on scripture. Some struggle to accept that he was a monotheist because they prefer to rely on their non-scriptural concept of the 'Blessed Trinity' to define who Jesus, the Christ, is.

Scripture clearly states that Jesus has a God, his Father. He himself said this—does anyone dispute that claim?

Personally, I am sensitive to the term 'Jewish' since there was no such designation as 'Jew-ish' during Christ’s time or earlier. It is a modern term from the 18th or 19th century, used by modern Jews who differ in many ways from the Judahites who lived when Christ was on earth. That is a topic for another, separate discussion.

Regarding the divinity of Christ, he was and is not the source of divinity and never has been nor will be. His Father is the source, who is God. Scripture tells us that his God, along with his inherent divinity, embodied his Son—described somewhat inadequately as the fullness of the so-called godhead within him. More precisely, his Father's divinity in spirit dwelled within him. Therefore, Jesus possessed the divine qualities of his Father just as his Father possessed his human spirit from birth or before. Because of his Father's spirit within him, Jesus became sinless. He became the second Adam, without a tendency to sin, similar to the first Adam. Although the first Adam was never possessed by God and was more likely to sin in the future—and indeed did—there was still a very remote possibility for Jesus to sin, but he chose not to. This Son of Man was truly special and unique, representing the image of his Father.

 

[JLB]

You can confirm what I said is the truth by looking it up in a standard Hebrew language Lexicon.

We can also do this: Pick out any verse of your choosing in the Hebrew Bible where you think the Hebrew word elohim, when applied to the God of Israel, is rendered plural in English. I’ll prove to you that the Hebrew Lexicon is right.

I just did those things and have shown from the scriptures that God, Elohim, as it pertains to the God Who created the heavens and the earth, the God who created mankind, is plural.


What you want is to have the opinions of man and the internet over rule what scripture so plainly says.


Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion…
Genesis 1:26


Are the words Us and Our, plural words?

 

[JLB]

Matthias insists Jesus was a Jewish monotheist. He worshipped his God. Which is to hold the position Jesus was not divine. That he was a Jewish man.
When in truth those who know Jesus was God incarnate, Matthias pov is insisting Jesus worshipped himself.

Jesus was born of a virgin but he was not born in sin or with a sin nature.

Topical Bible: The Question of the Messiah's Lineage

Amen.


Confess Jesus as LORD (YHWH) is how an unsaved person will be saved.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”
Romans 10:9-13


‘What is the name of the LORD we call on to be saved.


Paul is quoting Joel.


Jesus is the name of the LORD; YHWH the LORD God of Israel.

 

[Matthias]

I just did those things and have shown from the scriptures that God, Elohim, as it pertains to the God Who created the heavens and the earth, the God who created mankind, is plural.

Please help me out here. Render the Hebrew word elohim in English for us. What does the word look like in English when it is plural? What does it look like in English when it is singular?

What you want is to have the opinions of man and the internet over rule what scripture so plainly says.


Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion…
Genesis 1:26


Are the words Us and Our, plural words?

“Us“ and “our“ are plural words. I’m not asking about those words. I’m asking about the Hebrew word elohim. (I take it for granted that you know that the Hebrew for “us” and “our” isn’t elohim.)

 

[JLB]

Us“ and “our“ are plural words. I’m not asking about those words.

Moses plainly taught us that Elohim as it pertains to the God of Israel is plural.

 

[Matthias]

Moses plainly taught us that Elohim as it pertains to the God of Israel is plural.

Moses is a Jewish monotheist. He plainly believed and taught that elohim as it pertains to the God (Heb. elohim) of Israel is singular.

Here is what elohim looks like when rendered in English:

Elohim, always plural in form, singular in meaning -> God, or god.

Elohim, always plural in form, plural in meaning -> gods.

Yahweh is the God (singular) of Israel; not the gods (plural) of Israel.

We can easily confirm this in any English translation of your choosing.

We can also confirm it easily using the Greek in the Septuagint. Do you know why?

P.S.

Here is a link to an Interlinear at biblehub.com for the verse which you selected (Genesis 1:26). You can see for yourself that elohim is singular in meaning.

Genesis 1:26 Hebrew Text Analysis

Look at any passage of scripture where elohim is used in reference to Yahweh. Singular, in every instance; never plural.

 

[JLB]

Moses is a Jewish monotheist. He plainly believed and taught that elohim as it pertains to the God (Heb. elohim) of Israel is singular.

Your information is false.


We see what is taught in the law.

Moses plainly taught us that Elohim as it pertains to the God of Israel is plural.

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion…
Genesis 1:26

You are promoting the teachings of man.


Please repent.

You are blatantly taking away from God's word.

 

[Matthias]

Hebrew elohim -> Greek theos -> English God, or god. Singular.

Hebrew elohim -> Greek theoi -> English gods. Plural.

 

[Matthias]

Genesis 1 Swete's Septuagint

(Genesis 1:26, LXX)

Hebrew elohim -> Greek theos -> English God. Singular.

 

[Matthias]

An example in scripture where the meaning of the Hebrew word elohim is plural.

“For all the gods of the nations are idols …”

(Psalm 96:5)

Psalm 96:5 Interlinear: For all the gods of the peoples are nought, And Jehovah made the heavens.

Hebrew elohim -> English gods. Plural.

 

[HealthyShape]

Genesis 1 Swete's Septuagint

(Genesis 1:26, LXX)

Hebrew elohim -> Greek theos -> English God. Singular.

καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεός Ποιήσωμεν ἄνθρωπον κατ᾽ εἰκόνα ἡμετέραν

Also, it seems you do not understand the point of JLB. He does not want to say that there are multiple Gods, but that one God is plural in persons.

 

[Matthias]

Jesus is the Son of God. True.

Hebrew elohim -> Greek theos -> English God. Singular.

Jesus is the Son of gods. False.

Hebrew elohim -> Greek theoi -> English gods. Plural.

 

[Matthias]

καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεός Ποιήσωμεν ἄνθρωπον κατ᾽ εἰκόνα ἡμετέραν

Also, it seems you do not understand the point of JLB. He does not say there are multiple Gods, but that one God is plural in persons.

He doesn’t understand how the Hebrew word functions. Do you?

Everything that I’ve written about the Hebrew word elohim is true and easily verified.

 

[Matthias]

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” True.

(Genesis 1:1)

Genesis 1:1 Hebrew Text Analysis

The Hebrew word is elohim.

Hebrew elohim -> English God. Singular.

”In the beginning gods created the heavens and the earth.” False.

Hebrew elohim -> English gods. Plural.

The Hebrew word elohim is always plural in form. It isn’t always plural in meaning. In fact, it is almost always singular in meaning in the Bible.

Elohim isn’t the only Hebrew word which functions this way.

 

[Matthias]

Elohim isn’t the only Hebrew word which functions this way.

Obtained from a search of my posts for “dual number” -

Post in thread '˒ĕlōhı̂m: Plural Persons, or Majesty?'
˒ĕlōhı̂m: Plural Persons, or Majesty?

This is elementary Hebrew language textbook information. True, not false.