Jesus submitted to his God

[Matthias]

But false prophets do quench the spirit of the people that they influence with their words.

He thinks he’s a true prophet and presents himself as such. I know that he’s not. You’ll have to decide for yourself whether he is a true prophet or a false prophet.

1 + 1 = 2 -> he’s chastising me for quenching the Holy Spirit. (Which is what people do when they reject a true prophet -> rejecting the one who sent him. They aren’t his words; they are God’s words.)

I learned a long time ago not to fear false prophets. Stand up to them and they do what he does.

There’s nothing new to see here. This has been going on between us off and on for a couple of years. It wouldn’t happen at all if he stayed in “Christians Only” forums.

 

[ScottA]

But false prophets do quench the spirit of the people that they influence with their words.

True, and those who categorically deny "all" are just as bad, for both are against God in their own way.

 

[Matthias]

True, and those who categorically deny "all" are just as bad, for both are against God in their own way.

Now you’ve given him a choice: he can either believe you are a true prophet (in which case he has to believe your revelation story) or he can believe you are a false prophet (in which case he would be a fool to believe your cock and bull story).

 

[ScottA]

There’s nothing new to see here. This has been going on between us off and on for a couple of years. It wouldn’t happen at all if he stayed in “Christians Only” forums.

Who puts a limit to the truth outside the camp? Non-Christians should know better.

But no, this rodeo only happens because there are things in the scriptures you deny while making false claims to the contrary--things that would not be revealed until thousands of years after your doctrine was formed--which you do against Christ who promised they would come as sent by Him.

 

[ScottA]

Now you’ve given him a choice: he can either believe you are a true prophet (in which case he has to believe your revelation story) or he can believe you are a false prophet (in which case he would be a fool to believe your cock and bull story).

Quoted for the record.

 

[Matthias]

Who puts a limit to the truth outside the camp? Non-Christians should know better.

False prophets don’t bring the truth. Christians and non-Christians know that.

But no, this rodeo only happens because there are things in the scriptures you deny while making false claims to the contrary--things that would not be revealed until thousands of years after your doctrine was formed--which you do against Christ who promised they would come as sent by Him.

I don’t deny anything that is written in scripture. Speak on, false prophet.

 

[Matthias]

Quoted for the record.

That’s fine but it wasn’t going to be deleted or edited by me. I stand by it.

Not only does he have a choice, he has an obligation. So does everyone else who reads your posts.

This is what comes with the territory of dealing with someone claiming to be a prophet.

 

[ScottA]

I don’t deny anything that is written in scripture. Speak on, false prophet.

You have consistently denied the sealed prophecies of Daniel and John against what is written of them only being revealed just before the sounding of the seventh angel, even saying they were already revealed in the book of Revelation, completely against what John wrote.

Which are all a part of you posting record.

 

[Matthias]

You have consistently denied the sealed prophecies of Daniel and John against what is written of them only being revealed just before the sounding of the seventh angel, even saying they were already revealed in the book of Revelation, completely against what John wrote.

You have consistently claimed to be a prophet. You are. A false prophet.

 

[ScottA]

You have consistently claimed to be a prophet. You are. A false prophet.

That is a lie. I never "claimed to be a prophet."

 

[Matthias]

That is a lie. I never "claimed to be a prophet."

You said the words which you speak aren’t yours; that you’re on mission from / sent by God. That‘s a claim of being a prophet.

If you want to backtrack and say that the words which you speak are yours and not God’s, then you’re merely a false teacher.

 

[ScottA]

You said the words which you speak aren’t yours; that you’re on mission from God. That‘s a claim of being a prophet.

If you want to backtrack and say that the words which you speak are yours and not God’s, then you’re merely a false teacher.

I didn't have to backtrack. You misspoke, calling me what you assumed to be a claim I never made...in the negative, only based on your own understanding and what you merely believe is true.

It is true that I have said plenty. But I have done so as a witness giving my testimony, and saying what I am given to say by God--saying only what is according to, and confirmed by scripture--which are a witness of me. Which things you as much as deny are even written. Even so, if I do them, I am approved by God...and you, you will answer for yourself.

 

[Matthias]

I didn't have to backtrack. You misspoke, calling me what you assumed to be a claim I never made...in the negative, only based on your own understanding and what you merely believe is true.

You’ve said multiple times that you are speaking the words that God has given you to speak. It’s not possible, you say, to disagree with what you say without disagreeing with God. I don’t know how anyone could read your posts and not see that.

It is true that I have said plenty. But I have done so as a witness giving my testimony, and saying what I am given to say by God--

If you are saying what God gave you to say then you aren’t speaking your own words, you’re speaking God’s words. That has been your claim all along.

… saying only what is according to, and confirmed by scripture--which are a witness of me.

You’ve said many times that you go beyond what is written in scripture. It’s a fact that you do.

Which things you as much as deny are even written.

I’ve said multiple times that everything written in scripture - the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament - is sufficient. If you were able to agree with the sufficiency of scripture you wouldn’t go beyond it.

Even so, if I do them, I am approved by God...

Don’t go beyond what is written in scripture and do what is written in them. Then you will be approved by God.

…and you, you will answer for yourself.

Everyone will answer for themselves.

 

[Matthias]

What must the trinitarians think of the non-trinitarian who plainly and proudly acknowledges that he goes beyond what is written in scripture.

 

[ScottA]

You’ve said many times that you go beyond what is written in scripture. It’s a fact that you do.

No. Pay attention. You apparently only heard what you wanted to hear that fits your accusations. I corrected you on this already.

What I said (not many times but once) was that I confirmed your accusation about going beyond scripture, correcting you and clarifying, that yes I go beyond what was written that was revealed 2,000 years ago, to what was written but sealed and only now revealed, exactly as the scriptures foretold would come and has come. Which I have only repeated to correct you again as I am now doing again.

 

[Matthias]

No. Pay attention. You apparently only heard what you wanted to hear that fits you accusations. I corrected you on this already.

What I said (not many times but once) was that I confirmed your accusation about going beyond scripture, correcting you and clarifying, that yes I go beyond what was written that was revealed 2,000 years ago, to what what was written but sealed and only now revealed, exactly as the scriptures foretold.

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Nothing has been revealed to you that hasn’t been revealed to everyone in scripture.

 

[ScottA]

I’ve said multiple times that everything written in scripture - the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament - is sufficient. If you were able to agree with the sufficiency of scripture you wouldn’t go beyond it

According to scripture, what was "sufficient" 2,000 years ago was not all that would be revealed, the last of which would not come until the seventh angel, when he is about to sound.

 

[Matthias]

According to scripture, what was "sufficient" 2,000 years ago was not all that would be revealed, the last of which would not come until the seventh angel, when he is about to sound.

I repeat, God has not revealed anything to you which isn’t revealed in scripture to everyone.

 

[ScottA]

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Nothing has been revealed to you that hasn’t been revealed to everyone in scripture.

That is wrong, and is contrary to the prophecies of Daniel and John, regarding what was sealed and only to be revealed just before the sounding of the seventh angel.

 

[Matthias]

That is wrong, and is contrary to the prophecies of Daniel and John, regarding what was sealed and only to be revealed just before the sounding of the seventh angel.

You have no special revealed knowledge.