Jesus submitted to his God

[ScottA]

You know I’m not going to believe your testimony about yourself. You weren’t sent by God and Messiah to me.

My testimony is that I was sent. The content of which is not my testimony, and by rejecting me, you have rejected Him. So be it.

Even so, when you step into the area of that which was given to me by God, I will give an answer.

 

[ScottA]

Everything that I’ve written is available for anyone who wants to read and quote me. This isn’t my first forum experience. I’ve dealt with your kind before.

God knows.

 

[Matthias]

My testimony is that I was sent.

Yes. I reject your testimony about yourself.

The content of which is not my testimony …

The content of any messenger’s message has to be evaluated. There are many false messengers in the world.

… and by rejecting me, you have rejected Him. So be it.

See above.

Even so, when you step into the area of that which was given to me by God, I will give an answer.

The message you were given, assuming that a message really was given to you, isn’t from the Messiah’s / my God.

 

[ScottA]

That’s your imagination talking.

Here’s the real issue: You haven’t been privately given any information by God and Messiah to reveal.

Another accusation.

I quoted you saying that the book of Revelation was sufficient as recorded 2,000 years ago--sufficient without what was sealed. Which is not a quote--you just conveniently left it out.

 

[ScottA]

You have. That’s what I’m rejecting. You’re blaspheming, as are “Brother Joshua” and “Sister Hlengwe” (and others caught up in their cult) - not that you are a member of their cult.

More accusations.

 

[Matthias]

More accusations.

Everyone must decide for themselves.

I’ve long ago decided that your testimony about yourself is false. That doesn’t come as news to you and shouldn’t to anyone who has followed our conversations.

Everyone must decide for themselves whether or not to believe the accusations you’ve made against me.

Whatever they decide, in regard to either or both of those things, to believe or not to believe, is in their hands. It won’t change what you and I believe.

 

[ScottA]

The content of any messenger’s message has to be evaluated. There are many false messengers in the world.

And yet One is true. But you have denied--in your own words, "all."

The message you were given, assuming that a message really was given to you, isn’t from the Messiah’s / my God.

True. For Messiah, is "God with us"; and your god apparently is not my God...or you would heard His voice.

 

[Matthias]

And yet One is true. But you have denied--in your own words, "all."

I‘ve never said that I denied “all”. That’s just another of your accusations which our readers must evaluate for themselves.

True. For Messiah, is "God with us"; and your god apparently is not my God...or you would heard His voice.

 

[ScottA]

I‘ve never said that I denied “all”. That’s just another of your accusations which our readers must evaluate for themselves.

Yes...the readers should evaluate for themselves:

There is a lot of that going on in the world right now. It’s all false.

Now I have quoted you twice.

 

[Matthias]

Yes...the readers should evaluate for themselves:

Now I have quoted you twice.

I said there was a lot of “that” going on in the world?

Q. What is the “that” that I was referring to?

A. People who are claiming that they have had visions and dreams about the end times, that they have been sent by God or Jesus to reveal what was previously hidden, telling anyone who will listen to them that God or Jesus gave them the words to speak. “These aren’t my words,” they say. “These are God’s own words”. That is what I said is all false. They are lying spirits, deceived and deceiving.

I place you in that company. You sound just like them and they like you.

 

[Matthias]

“Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world”

(1 John 4:1, NET)

There’s a lot of that going on in the world right now. It’s all false.

These people are deceived and are deceiving. God did not give them the dreams and visions they claim that he did. They say they are sent to us from God. They aren’t. They say they aren’t speaking their words; they say they are speaking God’s own words. They aren’t speaking God’s own words.They go beyond what is written in scripture and acknowledge that they do.

Do they have a problem with reading comprehension? No. That’s not their problem.

 

[Matthias]

I will always stand up against false prophets and false prophets will always give an answer.

So shall it be written.

 

[Matthias]

Matthew 7 has 29 verses. I read verses 1-14 today. I’ll read verses 15-29 on Thursday.

There are 28 Chapters in Matthew. Once we complete Thursday’s reading we’ll have read 25% of the Chapters in Matthew. We have a modest goal but we’re still making good progress in a short period of time.

Are you keeping pace with me @Riven?

Good morning @Riven. It’s another great day on God’s good earth. I woke up a little early and came looking for you.

Chapter 8 of Matthew has 34 verses. I read verses 1-17 this morning and will read verses 18-34 on Saturday.

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I haven’t heard from you since late Monday evening. That’s not how the test was set up.

I was just thinking about my dual career in engineering and pastoral ministry, and how in both people sometimes spoke loudly without ever saying anything at all. It crossed my mind that maybe you have been speaking to me since Monday night and that I haven’t heard you in the deafening silence.

 

[ScottA]

I said there was a lot of “that” going on in the world?

Q. What is the “that” that I was referring to?

A. People who are claiming that they have had visions and dreams about the end times, that they have been sent by God or Jesus to reveal what was previously hidden, telling anyone who will listen to them that God or Jesus gave them the words to speak. “These aren’t my words,” they say. “These are God’s own words”. That is what I said is all false. They are lying spirits, deceived and deceiving.

I place you in that company. You sound just like them and they like you.

Yeah, like I said--that's what you said--rejecting "all."

 

[Matthias]

Yeah, like I said--that's what you said--rejecting "all."

This isn’t complicated. I reject all false prophets.

 

[ScottA]

“Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world”

(1 John 4:1, NET)

Which would be irresponsible to quote without also quoting:

1 Thessalonians 5:19 "Do not quench the Spirit."

 

[Matthias]

Which would be irresponsible to quote without also quoting:

1 Thessalonians 5:19 "Do not quench the Spirit."

Not standing against false prophets would be irresponsible.

 

[Riven]

I’ve read today’s ten minute portion of Matthew @Riven.

I haven’t heard from you for several days now, but I‘ve seen that you’ve posted elsewhere on the forum during that time. Are you still reading with me?

No. I'm not interested in continuing at this time.

 

[Matthias]

No. I'm not interested in continuing at this time.

Okay. Thanks for letting me know.

 

[Jay Ross]

Which would be irresponsible to quote without also quoting:

1 Thessalonians 5:19 "Do not quench the Spirit."

But false prophets do quench the spirit of the people that they influence with their words.