Jesus is the Son of his God

[Muna]

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” True.

(Genesis 1:1)

Genesis 1:1 Hebrew Text Analysis

The Hebrew word is elohim.

Hebrew elohim -> English God. Singular.

”In the beginning gods created the heavens and the earth.” False.

Hebrew elohim -> English gods. Plural.

The Hebrew word elohim is always plural in form. It isn’t always plural in meaning. In fact, it is almost always singular in meaning in the Bible.

Elohim isn’t the only Hebrew word which functions this way.

How do you understand these Matthias, when it speaks of "of whom" and "by whom" as far as the created things by Christ, or rather, God creating all things by Jesus Christ, what is your understanding according to scripture.

Paul writes,

1 Cr 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Heb 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God,
who created all things by Jesus Christ

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds

I popped back in because I was curious, and just these three so I can get a better understanding on your own confidence concerning how you tie these things together.

 

[Matthias]

How do you understand these Matthias, when it speaks of "of whom" and "by whom" as far as the created things by Christ, or rather, God creating all things by Jesus Christ, what is your understanding according to scripture.

Paul writes,

1 Cr 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Heb 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God,
who created all things by Jesus Christ

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds

I popped back in because I was curious, and just these three so I can get a better understanding on your own confidence concerning how you tie these things together.

I understand all of them through the lens of Jewish monotheism.

Let’s look at the last verse which you quoted, Hebrews 1:1. Did God speak by his Son in the Hebrew Bible / Old Testament? We can answer that question by identifying when “these last days” began.

 

[Muna]

I understand all of them through the lens of Jewish monotheism.

Let’s look at the last verse which you quoted, Hebrews 1:1. Did God speak by his Son in the Hebrew Bible / Old Testament?

I just want you to show me how you recconcile them as you would teach them, and so give you the floor, but I don't want to be guided I want you to take the reigns and teach it (without my involvement).

 

[HealthyShape]

Heb 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God,
who created all things by Jesus Christ

I was reading this and I was thinking "this looks weird".

So I checked it and it seems that "by Jesus Christ" is a late addition in the KJV, not original. The NIV:

"and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.
Eph 3:9

 

[Muna]

I was reading this and I was thinking "this looks weird".

So I checked it and it seems that "by Jesus Christ" is a late addition in the KJV, not original. The NIV:

"and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.
Eph 3:9

Keep going, two more

 

[Matthias]

I just want you to show me how you recconcile them as you would teach them, and so give you the floor, but I don't want to be guided I want you to take the reigns and teach it (without my involvement).

God is the Father, Yahweh. He did not speak by his Son (Jesus) in the Hebrew Bible.

”These last days” began in the New Testament. Some people might say “these last days” began with the conception of Jesus in the womb of the virgin. Some might say that “these last days” began when Jesus embarked on his ministry. Some might say that “these last days” began with the resurrection / vindication ofJesus.

The God and Father of Jesus spoke by his Son well in New Testament days, not before then.

The author of Hebrews tells us something very important in Hebrews 2:5. Paul, or whoever the author of Hebrews is, hasn’t been speaking about Yahweh’s creation in Genesis. What then? “… the world to come, concerning which we are speaking.”

Jesus is involved in creating the world (better, “age”) to come.

 

[Muna]

This is the Word here

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

The Word made flesh is Jesus Christ who was with God in the beginning

 

[Matthias]

In the beginning God - not the Son of God - created the heavens and the earth @Truly.

“God said … “ - that’s not Jesus. That’s not the Messiah. God didn’t speak by his Son, the Messiah, until “these last days”.

 

[Matthias]

This is the Word here

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

The Word made flesh is Jesus Christ who was with God in the beginning

Will you look at the verses as they are rendered in the Geneva Bible?

GENEVA BIBLE 1599

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www.genevabible.org

You’re going to see Jewish monotheism if you do.

 

[Muna]

God is the Father, Yahweh. He did not speak by his Son (Jesus) in the Hebrew Bible.

”These last days” began in the New Testament. Some people might say “these last days” began with the conception of Jesus in the womb of the virgin. Some might say that “these last days” began when Jesus embarked on his ministry. Some might say that “these last days” began with the resurrection / vindication ofJesus.

The God and Father of Jesus spoke by his Son well in New Testament days, not before then.

The author of Hebrews tells us something very important in Hebrews 2:5. Paul, or whoever the author of Hebrews is, hasn’t been speaking about Yahweh’s creation in Genesis. What then? “… the world to come, concerning which we are speaking.”

Jesus is involved in creating the world (better, “age”) to come.

Maybe this will help, let me hightlight where I want you to teach me concerning Christ

1 Cr 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Heb 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God,
who created all things by Jesus Christ

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

See what I am asking, the fellowship of the mystery from the beginning where all things wre made by him

 

[Matthias]

Maybe this will help, let me hightlight where I want you to teach me concerning Christ

1 Cr 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Heb 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God,
who created all things by Jesus Christ

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

See what I am asking, the fellowship of the mystery from the beginning where all things wre made by him

I understood what you’re asking, and thank you for asking. I’m slowly walking you through it.

 

[Muna]

In the beginning God - not the Son of God - created the heavens and the earth @Truly.

“God said … “ - that’s not Jesus. That’s not the Messiah. God didn’t speak by his Son, the Messiah, until “these last days”.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with wat I am asking, I rehighlighted and God did speak by his Son, Jesus said he spake by commandment and not of himself and Moses was a testimony of the things that would be spoken after in Christ who would be given the words of God.

 

[HealthyShape]

Keep going, two more

I would start with this:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being..."
J 1:1

 

[Muna]

In the beginning God - not the Son of God - created the heavens and the earth @Truly.

ohn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word is Jesus correct?

 

[Matthias]

That has nothing whatsoever to do with wat I am asking…

Are you driving the car or am I?

, I rehighlighted and God did speak by his Son, Jesus said he spake by commandment and not of himself and Moses was a testimony of the things that would be spoken after in Christ who would be given the words of God.

 

[Muna]

I would start with this:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being..."
J 1:1

If you believe that Jesus was the Word that was with God and all things came into being through him, we are on the same page

I don't think Matthias believes this, I am asking

 

[Matthias]

ohn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word is Jesus correct?

No. That is not correct. As the trinitarian scholar Colin Brown said, that is a patent misreading of scripture. You’re reading Jesus into the text, not out of the text.

 

[Muna]

Are you driving the car or am I?

I dont need to be slow walked, just use the scriptures I gave you and pull them together to show the truth of them, thats all

 

[Muna]

No. That is not correct. As the trinitarian scholar Colin Brown said, that is a patent misreading of scripture. You’re reading Jesus into the text, not out of the text.

Thats all I needed to know, so you reject things in the gospel accounts concerning God creating anything by Christ correct?

 

[Matthias]

I dont need to be slow walked, just use the scriptures I gave you and pull them together to show the truth of them, thats all

I’m doing that, and I’m doing it slowly for a purpose.