Jesus is the Son of his God

[ProverbsInPink]

This is the Word here

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

The Word made flesh is Jesus Christ who was with God in the beginning

Because Jesus is God.The word became flesh and dwelt among us.

 

[Matthias]

Thats all I needed to know, so you reject things in the gospel accounts concerning God creating anything by Christ correct?

No. That isn’t correct. As I said, God is creating the coming age by Messiah.

 

[Muna]

Because Jesus is God.The word became flesh and dwelt among us.

The Word that was WITH God was also God

 

[Muna]

No. That isn’t correct. As I said, God is creating the coming age by Messiah.

I would hope so, since we are created in Christ.

But I still believe God created all things by Him.

Which verses do you reject, any of them?

 

[ProverbsInPink]

The Word that was WITH God was also God

Exactly .

 

[HealthyShape]

"No one has ever yet seen God. The only begotten God, the One being in the bosom of the Father, He has made Him known."
J 1:18

 

[Matthias]

I would hope so, since we are created in Christ.

But I still believe God created all things by Him.

Which verses do you reject, any of them?

I don’t reject any verses. I understand all passages of scripture - Old Testament and New Testament - from the perspective of the Messiah’s own Jewish monotheism.

 

[Muna]

I don’t reject any verses. I understand all passages of scripture - Old Testament and New Testament - from the perspective of the Messiah’s own Jewish monotheism.

None of the writers of the NT share yours and Jesus' persepctive?

 

[Matthias]

None of the writers of the NT share yours and Jesus' persepctive?

All of them do.

 

[Muna]

All of them do.

Thanks Matthias, I think I am finished, because I know this will take years to get through with you, not into the slow walking and being guided and led this particular way, but if you ever just throw them out and show them let me know.

 

[Matthias]

This is the Word here

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

The Word made flesh is Jesus Christ who was with God in the beginning

I gave you the link to the Geneva Bible but it doesn’t appear to me that you looked at it. I’ll quote the prologue from John’s Gospel for you in this post. Please compare it carefully to the translation which you posted.

” 1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God.
2 The same was in the begining with God.
3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made.
4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.
5 And that life shineth in the wilderness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not.”

You asked me if the Word was Jesus. Now I’d like to ask you, when you read this does it cause you to think that the Word was Jesus?

 

[Muna]

I gave you the link to the Geneva Bible but it doesn’t appear to me that you looked at it. I’ll quote the prologue from John’s Gospel for you in this post. Please compare it carefully to the translation which you posted.

” 1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God.
2 The same was in the begining with God.
3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made.
4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.
5 And that life shineth in the wilderness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not.”

You asked me if the Word was Jesus. Now I’d like to ask you, when you read this does it cause you to think that the Word was Jesus?

I dont click on links, although I did regretably break that rule just 2 seconds ago.

I am asking you, I don't let myself get led this way, if you have a teaching on it, teach it, if not thats fine.

Thats all I wanted to know, I did not want a back and forth about it, I wanted your view of how you tie these things together.

If you cannot provide this, I will move on, I wanted to give you a fair shake is all

 

[Matthias]

I dont click on links, although I did regretably break that rule just 2 seconds ago.

There is nothing wrong with the link I provided. I’ve used it for over a decade without experiencing any problem with it. I’ve never heard anyone (before now) who clicked on the link say that they had a problem with it. I don’t know what the nature of the problem you had clicking on it so there’s not anything more for me to say about it.

I am asking you, I don't let myself get led this way, if you have a teaching on it, teach it, if not thats fine.

I have a teaching on it and I am teaching it.

Thats all I wanted to know, I did not want a back and forth about it, I wanted your view of how you tie these things together.

If you cannot provide this, I will move on, I wanted to give you a fair shake is all

You should probably move on then. I was writing to you only because you asked me to. I don’t allow others to dictate how I teach.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Thanks Matthias, I think I am finished, because I know this will take years to get through with you, not into the slow walking and being guided and led this particular way, but if you ever just throw them out and show them let me know.

We love you, Brother, and are praying to see you soon.

Love always, Walter and Debbie

 

[Matthias]

I gave you the link to the Geneva Bible but it doesn’t appear to me that you looked at it. I’ll quote the prologue from John’s Gospel for you in this post. Please compare it carefully to the translation which you posted.

” 1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God.
2 The same was in the begining with God.
3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made.
4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.
5 And that life shineth in the wilderness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not.”

You asked me if the Word was Jesus. Now I’d like to ask you, when you read this does it cause you to think that the Word was Jesus?

The difference between the two translations I was comparing is a bright one.

John is a Jewish monotheist. In his prologue he is taking his readers back to the Genesis creation account. It was the Father who spoke the creation into existence. John isn’t speaking about two persons (and certainly not three persons). He is speaking about only one person.

The word that was with God and was God is what the Father had in his mind.

Did the Father who created the heavens and the earth - just as the Apostles’ Creed asserts - have Jesus in his mind? He did. The Father created everything with Jesus in mind. That’s Jewish monotheism.

 

[Muna]

We love you, Brother, and are praying to see you soon.

Love always, Walter and Debbie

I am a Sister but I will always give thanks for anyones prayers

 

[Matthias]

Returning now to the OP, Jesus is the Son of his Father. Jesus is the Son of his God.

”Blessed be the God and Father of our lord Jesus Messiah.”

(Ephesians 1:3, 2 Corinthians 1:3; 1 Peter 1:3)

Easy verses to remember 1:3, 1:3, 1:3. Repeated for emphasis.

Rejected early in the thread by someone who said that it doesn’t agree with her point of view. She’s right. It doesn’t. It’s quintessential Jewish monotheism.

I teach it to Muslims. I teach it to Jews. I teach it to anyone and everyone who will listen.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

I am a Sister but I will always give thanks for anyones prayers

Sorry, Sister, I did not recognize your gender. Would you forgive me? I will try to be more careful. Thank you.

Love, Walter

 

[ProverbsInPink]

There is nothing wrong with the link I provided. I’ve used it for over a decade without experiencing any problem with it. I’ve never heard anyone (before now) who clicked on the link say that they had a problem with it. I don’t know what the nature of the problem you had clicking on it so there’s not anything more for me to say about it.



I have a teaching on it and I am teaching it.



You should probably move on then. I was writing to you only because you asked me to. I don’t allow others to dictate how I teach.

You don't teach. You mislead and slander through verbosity.

There is no such thing as a Jewish Monotheist. Jews are Monotheist. Therefore there are only Jews.

There is no such thing as a Primitive Christian Jewish Monotheist. Those are contradictions.

You insist Jesus was a man,not divine,not God on earth, and was a Jewish Monotheist. That's blasphemy and heresy.

You're not here to defend scripture or even uphold the Gospel. You're here to disrupt community and assault the Gospel.

If you were a teacher you wouldn't use links to other sites information. You would be the link.

You're in the same league as the unbelievers who accuse Calvinism against the actual Gospel. They can't say they believe the Gospel is false and Christians are ridiculous or they'd be banned.

Instead,they imply the same thing by accusing people of promoting Calvinism. Which they know nothing about. As if that says the same thing yet insures they're still allowed on the forums to mock the word.

There are those who insist Jesus was a Christian. They're blasphemers too.

Matthias was a Disciple. That's not a name that obscures your agenda here.
What you're doing is not of God.
Which is why you can't engage in discussions with the Godly.

Anyone who insists Jesus was just a man is a liar and not of any else but the enemy.

 

[Muna]

Sorry, Sister, I did not recognize your gender. Would you forgive me? I will try to be more careful. Thank you.

Love, Walter

Nothing to forgive, just letting ya know, I dont know where my gender badge is supposed to be to add it. I never know who I am talking to unless you have a girly name, but that wont work with you (as I notice) I never know if I am talking to Walter OR Debbie, haha/

No biggy, God bless.