Jesus is the Son of his God

[WalterandDebbie]

Nothing to forgive, just letting ya know, I dont know where my gender badge is supposed to be to add it. I never know who I am talking to unless you have a girly name, but that wont work with you (as I notice) I never know if I am talking to Walter OR Debbie, haha/

No biggy, God bless.

Hi Sister, Debbie and I work together as a married couple.

Love, Walter and Debbie

 

[Matthias]

What’s the Source of Jewish Monotheism? - Jews for Jesus

Whatever else may be in question, we all agree that in the Jewish religion there is only one God. Yet there is disagreement as to the origin of Jewish monotheism.

jewsforjesus.org

People who say there is no such thing as Jewish monotheism are doing nothing more than flouting their ignorance on the subject. There are a plethora of books and articles written by scholars on the topic of Jewish monotheism. They’re there for the reading. There’s no excuse for ignorance other than not being motivated to learn.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

What’s the Source of Jewish Monotheism? - Jews for Jesus

Whatever else may be in question, we all agree that in the Jewish religion there is only one God. Yet there is disagreement as to the origin of Jewish monotheism.

jewsforjesus.org

People who say there is no such thing as Jewish monotheism are doing nothing more than flouting their ignorance on the subject.

Yes,and the worst part is, it's your link

 

[Matthias]

Recommended reading on the subject of Jewish monotheism in the early church - the primitive Christians.

 

[Matthias]

The trinitarian professor makes the concession to Jewish monotheism on historical grounds.

It’s one thing to reject Jewish monotheism. It’s another to say that it doesn’t exist and conflicts with the belief and practice of the earliest Christians. Don’t, I would urge my readers, be deniers of the history of Christianity.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

The trinitarian professor makes the concession to Jewish monotheism on historical grounds.

It’s one thing to reject Jewish monotheism. It’s another to say that it doesn’t exist and conflicts with the belief and practice of the earliest Christians. Don’t, I would urge my readers, be deniers of the history of Christianity.

Wow, you're both heretics ,blasphemers,and wrong.

He's also a liar. Jesus did go around saying, I'm God. Only in his own way. And besides that an Angel told Mary her Son would be named Immanuel,meaning, God with us. Just as the Jewish OT prophesied.

I'm surprised someone who blatantly denied the divinity of Jesus in a Christian forum is permitted to do so.

 

[Matthias]

“The New Testament writers are really quite careful at this point. Jesus is not the God of Israel. He is not the Father. He is not Yahweh.”

(James D.G. Dunn, Did the First Christians Worship Jesus?, p. 142-144)

The concession to Jewish monotheism is always based on the history of Israel, the writings of the apostles, and the earliest followers of Jesus - primitive Christianity.

The gradual movement away from Jewish monotheism is preserved for us in church history.

 

[Matthias]

Anti-intellectualism is on full display in this thread.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

You're just searching for names now to throw out.

You've obviously never read his work. " New Perspective on Paul ."

 

[Matthias]

I highly recommend this book to my readers. While the purpose of the (Protestant) author is to draw people either to or back to historical orthodox trinitarianism, he treats Jewish monotheism fairly.

The Jewish monotheism of Israel and the earliest Christians can no more be removed from church history than historical orthodox trinitarianism can.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

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Anti-intellectualism is on full display in this thread.

Well let's see.
You think you can claim to be a Jewish Monotheist Primitive Christian.
You uphold your heretical belief,that Jesus was not divine but was just a man,by referring to a heretic who lies about the content of the New Testament when he claims Jesus never said he was the Father.
And you add to that bibliography of authors to read and prove your point, Jimmy! Who wrote a whole new perspective,his own, about Paul and Paul's teachings regarding Justification.

If intellectualism by your measure is accepting heresy,blasphemy and contradiction, as rational truth I would hope every Christian here is anti-Intellectual.

Because they know, Jesus was both man and God.
They also know how to see someone who insists Jesus was just a man,a Jewish Monotheist,is actually subtly saying , that means he was not the Savior.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Since the site won't ban an enemy of Christ,I'll ignore him.

 

[Matthias]

Denial of the existence of Jewish monotheism doesn’t hold water. It never has and it never will. It’s the starting point of Christianity. Once dominant, it was destroyed. See the documentation of its destruction in the writings of Gregory of Nyssa.

 

[Matthias]

There was a time when it was. Few would say that it is now. I want to encourage my readers to read church history.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

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There was a time when it was. Few would say that it is now. I want to encourage my readers to read church history.

Hello Matthias, are you aware of what the Lord said to the Jews? If Ye continue In My Word, Then Are Ye My Disciples Indeed;

Love, Walter

 

[Matthias]

Hello Matthias, are you aware of what the Lord said to the Jews? If Ye continue In My Word, Then Are Ye My Disciples Indeed;

Love, Walter

I am. Are you aware of what the lord said in Matthew 5:11-13? If I were a betting man, I’d bet the farm that you are. I live it and rejoice.

 

[JustMe]

Hello Matthias, are you aware of what the Lord said to the Jews? If Ye continue In My Word, Then Are Ye My Disciples Indeed;

Love, Walter

Apologies for the interruption, but I have observed that many here, except Matthias, who is not among them, are uneasy in spirit and do not concur with these words of Jesus. Their truth does not come from God's word but from human works and philosophies.

John 8:31-32 New International Version (NIV)​

To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
https://www.bible.com/bible/111/JHN.8.31-32.NIV

 

[soberxp]

I wouldn't advise it.

Instead, explain that He is the God whom both Moses and Muhammad believed in, Emmanuel (God with us), the Word made flesh.

Trinity extremists banned the use of made.

 

[Muna]

Apologies for the interruption, but I have observed that many here, except Matthias, who is not among them, are uneasy in spirit and do not concur with these words of Jesus. Their truth does not come from God's word but from human works and philosophies.

John 8:31-32 New International Version (NIV)​

To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
John 8:31-32 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” | New International Version (NIV) | Download The Bible App Now

Jesus says,

John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

And again,

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

And here Paul says in the present

Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

And Paul says in the past

Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

And Paul again says in the present

Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have
your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

These appear to agree in the same theme of things

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Apologies for the interruption, but I have observed that many here, except Matthias, who is not among them, are uneasy in spirit and do not concur with these words of Jesus. Their truth does not come from God's word but from human works and philosophies.

John 8:31-32 New International Version (NIV)​

To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
John 8:31-32 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” | New International Version (NIV) | Download The Bible App Now

You failed to notice Matthias denies the divinity of Jesus. How do you miss that when it is evident in the thread title.

You're defending error of immense proportions.

And we who call it out are of God and are following his direction.