David in NJ
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Oh , it's not me Brother = as you know Who resides in us by His Promise = John 14:15-18
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WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?
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There could be several reasons:
1. We know more today than at the time the KJV was written.
More hermeneutics are available to make ANY word used be more understood, as it was at the time the NT was written.
2. The Kingdom of God and the gospel of God is the same.
The Kingdom is in the gospel and the gospel is in the Kingdom teachings.
It really has no bearing on what we're discussing.
What do you think the scripture I posted means?
Jesus has a BRIDE.
Are only the Jews His bride?
In the OT Israel was the bride and son of God.
In the NT Jesus is the head of the church ... His bride.
There is only one bride....one church.
And whosoever will can belong to it.
David in NJ
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@Doug, i want you to know that God loves you an dso do i.
What God does not love is "dispensationalism"
When i said "wrong again" it was not at you Doug but directed at man-made doctrine of dispensationalism.
SHALOM to you Doug in the NAME Above ALL names = LORD JESUS CHRIST
The translators did not change the kingdom of heaven to the kingdom of God. Only Matthew uses the term "kingdom of heaven" The other gospels use "The Kingdom of God"
David in NJ
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and GOD is in Heaven = HE has a Kingdom that is FAR Reaching all The WAY down to "whoever believes is not condemned"
SHALOM
I used to think this was a gospel verse for us, so I get where you are coming from. yes, it contains truth for us, we are to place faith in Christ. There is nothing about the salvation we have from the cross or his blood. It is a gospel, but not for us. This is all Israel had to believe for eternal life. Dont isolate this verse, look at verse 18................[Jhn 3:18 KJV] 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God............Only requirement was to believe on his name.
The other sheep were those believing Jews beyond Jerusalem who were scattered by the persecution of Paul before his conversion
Thanks David I appreciate this. Its just about our Biblical views. I know you didnt direct any animosity toward me. I am always willing to have any discussion with you.
I am going with "whosoever" as pertaining to whosoever. That point is key and can be isolated as to it's application.
Other sheep Doug.
No matter where the Jews were, they were still the sheep.
§Ephesians 3:3-6
3 that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief.
4 By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ,
5 which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit;
6 to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel,
1 Corinthians 12:12-13
12 For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
Too much scripture speaking against this belief....
Paul is merely an 'instrument' chosen by Christ period
In science class we used lifeless 'instruments' to do what we want and complete our given assignment.
It's the Master's Gospel about the Grace and Truth of GOD, from the beginning He distributed first to the 12 Apostles, and then later to the 13th Apostle in completion.
When put together in context is the full Gospel of the Master Jesus and none other, for He is alone, 'The author and finisher of our faith.'
John 1:
17, For the Law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Therefore the Gospel Christ given to the 12 Apostles were grace and truth, and the Gospel Christ given to Paul were also grace and truth.
Stop one's 'childish bickering', Paul this and Paul that, for the Gospel of Christ in grace and truth in the New Testament only exposes one's 'fallacy'.
Instead of sowing in oneness the seed with the Lord of His grace and truth that's intact, heart-harden people like you only 'scatter' it to smithereens.
Beloved truly in Christ readers, please bear with me, continuing with people like these, we'll be like going around the mulberry bush over and over again.
These are as written, 'Blind guides of the blind', sadly
Matthew 15:
14. "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. and if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch."
The same Jesus would have encounter with Nicodemus, but He's wise, He just concluded what Nicodemus importantly needed before anything else, and moved on period
'Babes in Christ', Paul is referring to the 'Old Covenant' which in the past was apparently for Israel, and Gentiles then were 'aliens' to it.
They were people without GOD, the uncircumcised, the unclean and pagans, but nevertheless yet their salvation were already prophesied in the Old Covenant as well. (Genesis 12:3/Isaiah 49:6)
Read the context to verse 22, the New Covenant for Jews and Gentiles as 'one' of Abraham's seed period
Agreed!
Romans 11:
5. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant (of Jews) according to the election of grace.
Paul's epistle to the Roman Gentile church, saying to them, as above about the saved Jews at their present time.
Ephesians 2:
8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of GOD:
Paul's epistle to Ephesians Gentile church, saying to them, as above how they are likewise saved.
Therefore to conclude, there's no partiality between the Jews and Gentiles, for both are saved under the election of grace.
For the word of GOD through Christ and the Holy Ghost have spoken and shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.
For the record the Holy Ghost expound as our reminder and stir up of our memory about the Holy Bible scripture.
Whether Jews or Gentiles, both are the children of Adam and Eve, it's only they parted ways, with GOD and without GOD.
Jews with GOD having the covenants, Law as their schoolmaster and the Prophets, even written down, also failed miserably, have sinned and fall short of the Glory of GOD.
Gentiles astray without GOD, basically having the Law in their conscience as their schoolmaster, sometimes even pleased GOD better than the Jews, also failed miserably, sinned and fall short of the Glory of GOD.
Therefore apparently both are equally fallen short of the Glory of GOD and are saved under the election of grace and made into one nation, 'CHRISTIAN'
We are the 'ONE BODY of CHRIST' worshipers, in oneness and togetherness, worship GOD the FATHER in 'spirit' and 'truth'.
Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ
Whether Jews or Gentiles, both are the children of Adam and Eve, it's only they parted ways, with GOD and without GOD.
Jews with GOD having the covenants, Law as their schoolmaster and the Prophets, even written down, also failed miserably, have sinned and fall short of the Glory of GOD.
Gentiles astray without GOD, basically having the Law in their conscience as their schoolmaster, sometimes even pleased GOD better than the Jews, also failed miserably, sinned and fall short of the Glory of GOD.
Therefore apparently both are equally fallen short of the Glory of GOD and are saved under the election of grace and made into one nation, 'CHRISTIAN'
We are the 'ONE BODY of CHRIST' worshipers, in oneness and togetherness, worship GOD the FATHER in 'spirit' and 'truth'.
Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ
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amigo de christo
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and yet at the same time i have often seen hermenutics that twist what the scrip means .
Yes the Kingdom o fGODE and Gospel of GOD is the same .
Jesus does indeed have a bride , its HIS BODY , again the same . And it ONLY
and i do mean ONLY consists of those who BELEIVE IN JESUS the CHRIST .
Yes in the OT Israel was the bride and son of God . though even then many were in rebellion .
Same God , same Christ has always been the HEAD , though many within said camps
DID not HONOR but rather have rebelled against HIM .
Yes there is only ONE BRIDE , ONE CHURCH , ONE BODY , ONE TREE , ONE KINGDOM OF GOD and HEAVEN
by which a man or woman is grafted into it BY BELEIVING the same ONE GOSPEL of faith IN JESUS the CHRIST .
And who so ever will recieve the T RUTH of the GOSPEL of CHRIST will be of it and within it .
TIS TRENCH TIME in the b uilding . For many often try and make the ONE as two .
rather than the TWO as one IN CHRIST . If ya know what i mean by that . THere is not two bodies
there is not two gospels , there is not a body and then another a bride .
IT IS ONE and ITS IN GOD , IN CHRIST and all who believe ON HIM are the children of GOD . Faith .
mailmandan
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Hebrews 10:26 - For if we go on willfully and deliberately sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice [to atone] for our sins [that is, no further offering to anticipate] (AMP)
amigo de christo
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Keep that in mind . For i now see many who can lip and claim to BELEIVE the GOSPEL .
and yet preach UNBELEIF , thus p roving they dont REALLY beleive the gospel .
SO what is this lovely gospel .
That either we TRULY BELIEVE or dont BELEIVE .
ITS THIS
That if one believes f rom the heart that GOD rose HIM from the dead
and confess him by mouth , THEY WILL BE SAVED .
NOW either we believe THIS or we dont . BUT IT CANNOT , IT WILL NOT be both .
SO mailman dan
WHY AM I SEEING so many who say THEY BLEIEVE THIS
Now preaching and now beleiving that all religoins serve the same GOD
and are just coming to GOD differently . BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THIS GOSPEL my friend .
SO either we beleive THE GOSPEL or we DONT but it cannot b e both .
NOW WE MAKE OUR S TAND TODAY and RIGHT NOW
and you get eveyone you know OUT OF THEM CHURCHES that preach and have anything
to do with ecumeencism interfaith , f inding common ground .
Marvelloustime
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mailmandan
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Sadly, many believe a "different" gospel that culminates in works righteousness, which equates to unbelief. The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
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