Jesus is the Son of his God

[David in NJ]

Is there any scriptural evidence for a unique eternal begetting of anyone? Scripture refers only to human begetting, which includes Jesus, the Christ. Begetting means more than just a special Father-Son relationship; it signifies new life that is received or gained.

You have been misled into thinking that the common and traditional term 'begotten' as applied to Jesus cannot be a human concept. This word has been appropriated and given a dual meaning—one for Jesus and the traditional sense for everyone else. This change is solely because it does not align with the doctrine of the Trinity. It is yet another instance of human religious ideas modifying scripture.

It must be halloween because you are trying to scare me - lol

The Son (the Logos) was begotten by the Father before being born from Mary as a human.

Where is that found in Scripture? = NOWHERE

You need to do some "head-knocking" in the Holy Scriptures of TRUTH

 

[Matthias]

Do you have an estimate of how many trinitarians ”have not yet believed ‘every word that proceeded from the Mouth of God’”?

He doesn’t offer one.

I’m not looking for an exact figure. A ballpark percentage would be sufficient.

Percentage of trinitarians who believe your “one gods” teaching = ?

Percentage of trinitarians who do not believe your “one gods” teaching = ?

He has none that he is willing to share.

 

[Matthias]

Thanks. Could you provide me with some names of trinitarians who do?

I don’t know if he could or not. What I know is that he didn’t.

 

[David in NJ]

I don’t know if he could or not. What I know is that he didn’t.

You need a good cup of strong coffee

 

[Matthias]

You need a good cup of strong coffee

I don’t drink coffee. You need to provide support for your comment if you want anyone to take it seriously. I opened the door for you to. You walked away.

 

[David in NJ]

I don’t drink coffee. You need to provide support for your comment if you want anyone to take it seriously.

Drink a double bag of either black or green tea = green tea is my favorite

 

[Matthias]

Drink a double bag of either black or green tea = green tea is my favorite

I drink both. You’re still avoiding the question.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

You need a good cup of strong coffee

Hello, you all.

 

[David in NJ]

I drink both. You’re still avoiding the question.

What purpose does it serve of knowing "how many" when we are NOT permitted to know???

How many God saves is only within God's Decision - who are we to seek that which is NOT permitted

Have you ever read where King David was tempted by Satan to number the people and great wrath fell upon Israel as a result!!!

 

[Matthias]

What purpose does it serve of knowing "how many" when we are NOT permitted to know???

I think you’re on a theology island. Population: 1

”One gods” has no meaning, and certainly has nothing to do with the God of Israel.

If there are any trinitarians, besides yourself, who believe their / your deity is “one gods,” they aren't making it known in the shadowland.

Have you tried discussing it with anyone in the “Christians Only” forums?

How many God saves is only within God's Decision - who are we to seek that which is NOT permitted

Have you ever read where King David was tempted by Satan to number the people and great wrath fell upon Israel as a result!!!

I didn’t ask you to take a census.

 

[David in NJ]

I think you’re on a theology island. Population: 1

”One gods” has no meaning, and certainly nothing to do with the God of Israel.

If there are any trinitarians, besides yourself, who believe there deity is “one gods” they aren't making it known in the shadowland.

Have you tried discussing it with anyone in the “Christians Only” forums?



I didn’t ask you to take a census.

The REASON why Elohim/PLURAL/gods is ONLY used in Singular language is because ELohim is ECHAD

Thus we have been given knowledge/understanding that Elohim consists of THREE who are ECHAD Elohim = GENESIS and GOSPEL

 

[Matthias]

The REASON why Elohim/PLURAL/gods is ONLY used in Singular language is because ELohim is ECHAD

Echad means 1, not more than 1. Anyone who can count in Hebrew can verify that for us.

There is no plurality in the word echad. Right?

Thus we have been given knowledge/understanding that Elohim consists of THREE who are ECHAD Elohim = GENESIS and GOSPEL

You still haven’t offered any information about anyone besides you in the trinitarian camp who teaches “one gods”.

 

[David in NJ]

Echad means 1, not more than 1. Anyone who can count in Hebrew can verify that for you.



You still haven’t offered any information about anyone besides you in the trinitarian camp who teaches “one gods”.

Echad has the same capacity of Plurality as Elohim = more then one


Echad (אֶחָד) is a Hebrew word that means "one" or "unity," often used to express the concept of a unified oneness rather than a solitary number. It is notably featured in the Shema, a central declaration of the Jewish faith, emphasizing the oneness of

 

[Matthias]

Echad has the same capacity of Plurality as Elohim = more then one

Echad can modify a collective noun but there is no plurality in the word echad.

Echad (אֶחָד) is a Hebrew word that means "one" or "unity," often used to express the concept of a unified oneness rather than a solitary number. It is notably featured in the Shema, a central declaration of the Jewish faith, emphasizing the oneness of

 

[David in NJ]

Echad can modify a collective noun but there is no plurality in the word echad.

Echad is dependent upon Elohim being PLURAL and thus why that SPECIFIC word is used in the Shema as opposed to 'yachid'

Elohim FATHER/WORD/HOLY SPIIRT know what THEY are Saying to us!!!

Your Impossible Mission @Matthias, should you choose to accept God at His word is this: John 14:15-18 , Acts ch1 and ch2

 

[Matthias]

Echad is dependent upon Elohim being PLURAL and thus why that SPECIFIC word is used in the Shema as opposed to 'yachid'

Echad is the numeral 1. It doesn’t mean more than one.

Listen to the teacher count from 1-10 in Hebrew. You’ll even hear her say “One coffee, please”. You know that one coffee isn’t more than one coffee.

 

[Matthias]

Echad is dependent upon Elohim being PLURAL …

It isn’t. Echad is singular regardless of whether or not the noun it modifies is singular or plural.

Elohim is always plural in form but seldom plural in meaning.

 

[Matthias]

Your Impossible Mission @Matthias, should you choose to accept God at His word is this: John 14:15-18 , Acts ch1 and ch2

Would you mind if someone said this to you?

 

[David in NJ]

Echad is the numeral 1. It doesn’t mean more than one.

Listen to the teacher count from 1-10 in Hebrew. You’ll even hear her say “One coffee, please”. You know that one coffee isn’t more than one coffee.

Your IMPOSSIBLE Mission @Matthias, should you accept this, is to be Baptized in the Holy Spirit who is the only Scholar who Knows the TRUTH.

Titus 1:14
Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men who turn from the truth.

 

[Matthias]

Your IMPOSSIBLE Mission @Matthias, should you accept this, is to be Baptized in the Holy Spirit who is the only Scholar who Knows the TRUTH.

See above.

Titus 1:14
Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men who turn from the truth.

Hebrew grammar isn’t a Jewish fable.